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Dave_5k

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If your survival rate for COVID is 99.7%, what's the logic behind vaccinating all age groups for that, especially since the vast majority of the deaths are in older people with 1 or more comorbidities?

How much does your survival rate improve to if you take Pfizer's 94% efficacy for example?
2 key factors:
1) Death statistics include benefit of 2/3 of the population now vaccinated in the averages, for which death/hospitalization rates are minuscule compared to unvaxxed. So I’d triple the rate to ~1% chance of death by being unvaxxed
2) For every death, ~4 get serious enough symptoms to be hospitalized - many of whom have long term symptoms.

So to avoid a 5% chance of hospitalization or death, get a free and risk-free shot. And help keep our hospital workers sane, and reduce the chance of becoming a carrier that kills off a friend or family member.

Also, while deaths are indeed concentrated in the elderly, severe COVID leading to hospitalization is more evenly spread.

Alternatively, if I accepted a hypothesis of only 0.3% death rate for a specific person, I’d still include a minimum of additional 1-2% chance of a severe COVID leading to hospitalization and possible long term health effects (on average a factor of 4 higher, but as implied above, this ratio is much higher for younger folks). Both of which can be reduced by a factor of 10 or so via vaccination.
 

nirimharboj

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2 key factors:
1) Death statistics include benefit of 2/3 of the population now vaccinated in the averages, for which death/hospitalization rates are minuscule compared to unvaxxed. So I’d triple the rate to ~1% chance of death by being unvaxxed
2) For every death, ~4 get serious enough symptoms to be hospitalized - many of whom have long term symptoms.

So to avoid a 5% chance of hospitalization or death, get a free and risk-free shot. And help keep our hospital workers sane, and reduce the chance of becoming a carrier that kills off a friend or family member.

Also, while deaths are indeed concentrated in the elderly, severe COVID leading to hospitalization is more evenly spread.

Alternatively, if I accepted a hypothesis of only 0.3% death rate for a specific person, I’d still include a minimum of additional 1-2% chance of a severe COVID leading to hospitalization and possible long term health effects (on average a factor of 4 higher, but as implied above, this ratio is much higher for younger folks). Both of which can be reduced by a factor of 10 or so via vaccination.
Pretty sure the death statistics haven't changed at all after vaccine rollout. Part of the reason I didn't get vaccinated even when Delta came out was because the survival rate was already 99.7% or so. Got any proof they've changed? Even if it did, isn't it a null point since Omicron evades the vaccines?

What is the math behind tripling the mortality rate just because someone is unvaccinated?

Got a source on the claim that four people get hospitalized for every death?

How do you figure that the shot is risk free based on Pfizer's own adverse reporting documents, linked below? Caution, there's a lot there.


The shot doesn't prevent transmission so how is that a talking point? If anything it increases transmission since many vaccinated people are asymptomatic and don't know to isolate when they're infected?

Not only that, but isn't Omicron the dominant variant and the mildest one of all, which barely even infects the respiratory system?
 
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Dave_5k

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Pretty sure the death statistics haven't changed at all after vaccine rollout. Part of the reason I didn't get vaccinated even when Delta came out was because the survival rate was already 99.7% or so. Got any proof they've changed?

What is the math behind tripling the mortality rate just because someone is unvaccinated?

Got a source on the claim that four people get hospitalized for every death?

How do you figure that the shot is risk free based on Pfizer's own adverse reporting documents, linked below? Caution, there's a lot there.

The shot doesn't prevent transmission so how is that a talking point? If anything it increases transmission since many vaccinated people are asymptomatic and don't know to isolate when they're infected?

Not only that, but isn't Omicron the dominant variant and the mildest one of all, which barely even infects the respiratory system?
1 million dead, 4.6 million unique hospitalizations, in 80 million known cases in US
Of course that is entire period. Looking at Delta/Omicron only:
“During April 4–December 25, 2021, a total of 6,812,040 COVID-19 cases among unvaccinated persons and 2,866,517 cases among fully vaccinated persons were reported among persons aged ≥18 years in 25 U.S. jurisdictions; 94,640 and 22,567 COVID-19–associated deaths among unvaccinated and fully vaccinated persons, respectively, were reported by December 4 (Table 1).
“Age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons were relatively stable; crude VE for deaths was 95% during April–May, 94% during June, and 94% during July–November.”

Delta/Omicron are still killing well over 1% of confirmed unvaccinated cases - closer to 1.5% (although fair question on how many cases unknown). Age normalized, vaccines still preventing 94% of deaths.

Vaccination absolutely reduces odds of transmission of COVID, only disinformation sites would claim otherwise. Now, if you get a breakthrough infection, yes you can still spread the virus ~ which disinformation sites pose as not completely preventing transmission without mentioning the very sharp reduction.

There have been around 11 billion vaccination shots globally ~ with a tiny number of confirmed deaths or hospitalizations as a result.

Please remember what thread this is. Covidiots, not vaccination stats.
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dainthomas

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guidryp

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I haven't been paying attention to Covidiots lately as the restrictions eased they have less to act up about, but noticed this Today.

Some Covidiots are refusing blood transfusions if the donor was vaccinated. Something like 90% of Canadian Adults have been vaccinated at least once, and the blood not marked one whether the source was vaccinated or not, so there is no way to accommodate this request, unless maybe you bring your own donor.

 

DarthKyrie

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I haven't been paying attention to Covidiots lately as the restrictions eased they have less to act up about, but noticed this Today.

Some Covidiots are refusing blood transfusions if the donor was vaccinated. Something like 90% of Canadian Adults have been vaccinated at least once, and the blood not marked one whether the source was vaccinated or not, so there is no way to accommodate this request, unless maybe you bring your own donor.

And those same people will be wanting to sue the hospitals and doctors for not saving the life of their loved one when it was their loved one's fault for refusing blood.
 

Viper1j

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I haven't been paying attention to Covidiots lately as the restrictions eased they have less to act up about, but noticed this Today.

Some Covidiots are refusing blood transfusions if the donor was vaccinated. Something like 90% of Canadian Adults have been vaccinated at least once, and the blood not marked one whether the source was vaccinated or not, so there is no way to accommodate this request, unless maybe you bring your own donor.

I could care less. I'm rolling with Vinney the Vaccine.Die then.jpg
 

MtnMan

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I could care less. I'm rolling with Vinney the Vaccine.View attachment 69216
As grandsons are full time firefighters, we often have a scanner on, which covers fire and EMS for the city and county.

Some days I hear multiple calls for difficulty breathing, COVID symptoms, very low O2 saturation (as low as 40%), use full PPE. Not at the same frequency as pre-vaccine, but still surprising number.

While at a brewery we often frequent, (cheep beer night) along with a bunch of people we've become friends with there, one woman asked "so... who's had COVID", and puts her hand up. There were about 10 people in the group at the time. She looked absolutely shocked that no one else put their hand up. Yea, we stayed home, wore masks, got vaccinated and boosted.
 

Scarpozzi

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I just got back from a Disney cruise. The cruise itself required at least 1 round of covid vaccines (2 shots) OR a negative test within a few days of boarding the ship. I heard a few people clearing their throats on the ship, but no one appeared to be ill.

We stayed a night in a hotel by the airport for an early morning flight the next day. In the shuttle to the airport, the guy next to me definitely has covid. We both were masked and it was an 8 minute ride...
I'm pretty sure the lady behind me on the plane had something cause she was hacking and coughing...no mask. 😡

I don't like masks, but good grief. If you're sick, you should wear one. The guy that was sick next to me was at least masked. The lady on the plane was a total jerk.

I hate that all these safety rules have been rolled back because I think I'm certain situations it still makes sense. (Even though no one likes masks or distancing) I don't think we should force vaccines, but I agree with the shot cartoon above. My wife always jokes that people complain that they don't know what chemicals are in the vaccine. At the same time no one really knows what chemicals are in a Big Mac either. 🤷‍♂️
 

Viper1j

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I just got back from a Disney cruise. The cruise itself required at least 1 round of covid vaccines (2 shots) OR a negative test within a few days of boarding the ship. I heard a few people clearing their throats on the ship, but no one appeared to be ill.

We stayed a night in a hotel by the airport for an early morning flight the next day. In the shuttle to the airport, the guy next to me definitely has covid. We both were masked and it was an 8 minute ride...
I'm pretty sure the lady behind me on the plane had something cause she was hacking and coughing...no mask. 😡

I don't like masks, but good grief. If you're sick, you should wear one. The guy that was sick next to me was at least masked. The lady on the plane was a total jerk.

I hate that all these safety rules have been rolled back because I think I'm certain situations it still makes sense. (Even though no one likes masks or distancing) I don't think we should force vaccines, but I agree with the shot cartoon above. My wife always jokes that people complain that they don't know what chemicals are in the vaccine. At the same time no one really knows what chemicals are in a Big Mac either. 🤷‍♂️
No such thing as too much irony.

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