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KMFJD

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Meathead seems kind. Shithead seems more appropriate, definitely shit for brains.

Hoping she gets named, shamed and loses her job, in the unlikely event she has one.
further down the twitter thread she's been id'd as a political science student over at Ohio University , was arrested for public intoxication and resisting arrest, the worker declined to press charges
 

guidryp

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further down the twitter thread she's been id'd as a political science student over at Ohio University , was arrested for public intoxication and resisting arrest, the worker declined to press charges
Probably why the worker was so calm. Used to dealing with drunk students.

This Student (now ex student) doesn't have alcohol as an "excuse". He decided he would "stand up" to the university vaccine policy, and got himself expelled. Better yet, he though if they forced them to drag him out for trespassing, he would get others to join the cause:




“In that moment, I decided: Do I want to be someone who walks out of class or is dragged out of class?”

Wade chose the latter, “I thought at the time that being dragged out was the final straw (for students). Like, do you think this is OK?”
Yes. Yes I think it's OK. I would clap when they removed your disruptive moron ass.

I bet he was already failing out, when he decided to "make a point".
 

allisolm

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Another group wielding the stick rather than the carrot - the Army. Members have until 15 Dec to get vaccinated, so tick tock. Seems so silly to refuse this one when they already get so many others.

Those who don't get vaccinated (unless they have an exemption) won't get promoted - or get to reenlist or get any awards or get any reassignments or any other favorable personnel actions. I would venture to say if one's file gets flagged for failure to vaccinate, that soldier can also kiss any plans for career status goodbye.

The Navy and the Marine Corps have issued similar guidance for their members.


 

weblooker2021

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Another group wielding the stick rather than the carrot - the Army. Members have until 15 Dec to get vaccinated, so tick tock. Seems so silly to refuse this one when they already get so many others.

Those who don't get vaccinated (unless they have an exemption) won't get promoted - or get to reenlist or get any awards or get any reassignments or any other favorable personnel actions. I would venture to say if one's file gets flagged for failure to vaccinate, that soldier can also kiss any plans for career status goodbye.

The Navy and the Marine Corps have issued similar guidance for their members.


Not everyone wants to be in military for life.
 

weblooker2021

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You seem to think that a person's time in the Military has zero effect on their civilian life afterwards. Non of these people will be leaving with an honorable discharge, which will follow them thru out their civilian career..
Some of them absolutely use their skills etc from military to get a good job as civilian but many do not. With today worker shortage, many of the employers will not even blink.
 

NWRMidnight

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Some of them absolutely use their skills etc from military to get a good job as civilian but many do not. With today worker shortage, many of the employers will not even blink.
Thanks for letting us know you don't have a clue about how a persons military career follows and individual thru out their life in some form. Tells me you are not a veteran and never served.

edit: Spelling
 
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K1052

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Some of them absolutely use their skills etc from military to get a good job as civilian but many do not. With today worker shortage, many of the employers will not even blink.
Define "good job". What they going to become cops with something besides an honorable? LOLOLLL. Maybe on some podunk force with low standards that pays diddly.

Once upon a time I was a civilian employee for a large police agency and I can tell you exactly where the applications from such people got filed.
 
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hal2kilo

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Another group wielding the stick rather than the carrot - the Army. Members have until 15 Dec to get vaccinated, so tick tock. Seems so silly to refuse this one when they already get so many others.

Those who don't get vaccinated (unless they have an exemption) won't get promoted - or get to reenlist or get any awards or get any reassignments or any other favorable personnel actions. I would venture to say if one's file gets flagged for failure to vaccinate, that soldier can also kiss any plans for career status goodbye.

The Navy and the Marine Corps have issued similar guidance for their members.


Isn't this insubordination? Just discharge them.
 

balloonshark

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My sister called me last night. She sounded horrible. Her nose was stuffy so I asked if she was sick. She said she had bronchitis. Then she started coughing and said she was starting to get a headache. My niece is being induced today to have her 2nd child. My sister was on her way down so she could be there for her. This is my family. :rolleyes:

I hope she doesn't have covid and the screener caught her.
 

Zorba

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Another group wielding the stick rather than the carrot - the Army. Members have until 15 Dec to get vaccinated, so tick tock. Seems so silly to refuse this one when they already get so many others.

Those who don't get vaccinated (unless they have an exemption) won't get promoted - or get to reenlist or get any awards or get any reassignments or any other favorable personnel actions. I would venture to say if one's file gets flagged for failure to vaccinate, that soldier can also kiss any plans for career status goodbye.

The Navy and the Marine Corps have issued similar guidance for their members.


Why not just treat it as insubordination and give them a discharge?
 

fskimospy

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In case anyone was wondering just how low the GOP could go when it comes to COVID we've got this real winner of a story today:


That's right - after fighting all efforts to control COVID tooth and nail and watching their own constituents die at hugely faster rates than everyone else, Republicans are blaming Biden for not controlling COVID.
 

cytg111

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Can't say I disagree...particularly about the downside of catching COVID - I've known at least two people who were hospitalised with it (one on supplemental oxygen), and one friend-of-a-friend who died of it, whereas can't say I've heard of anyone in my social circle dying or getting seriously ill from the vaccine.

Still, though, we are all genetically different, and from what little on-line 'research' I did (decided not to bother after the first cursory attempt, as it just got me more confused) they can't yet say for sure what effect the vaccine might have on auto-immune diseases. Just came down to if there's a bad effect, I'll have to deal with it when it comes, but everyone getting vaccinated is the only hope of getting through this global nightmare so that overrides that particular anxiety.

Can't help but think, though, that my intellectual judgements are entirely mixed-up with those political and social ones. I am unconvinced anyone is a perfectly clear-thinking rational Mr Spock-type figure. [Edit] Yet, paradoxically, it does seem that _some_ people are out of their tiny minds.
Nope, I got this Spock shit locked down. I am programmer of computers and fucker of electronics. I go to the doctor for bio mechanical malfunctions, I go to the mechanic for issues related to my automobile, I get on a plane to shift geolocations of vast distances fast and I pay my taxes so that CERN and LHC can figure out anti gravity for my future hoverboard adventures.
Experts in their fields. Our fields.
Do anyone of them have motive to kill me?
If I dont trust my bothers and sisters I am set back to late stone age.
If I cant trust this giant ladder of accumulated knowledge, I am nothing.
Is the vaccines without risc?
No. But the ladder, society, needs me to take this very small risc. So I will naturally do my part.
It makes perfect sense, no emotion required.
 

brycejones

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In case anyone was wondering just how low the GOP could go when it comes to COVID we've got this real winner of a story today:


That's right - after fighting all efforts to control COVID tooth and nail and watching their own constituents die at hugely faster rates than everyone else, Republicans are blaming Biden for not controlling COVID.
This isn't shocking at all based on the comments on every covid story in the local news paper here. Just Trump humper after Trump humper who won't get vaccinated or practice any public health measure blaming Democrats for Covid still being a thing and here getting worse.
 
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pmv

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Nope, I got this Spock shit locked down. I am programmer of computers and fucker of electronics. I go to the doctor for bio mechanical malfunctions, I go to the mechanic for issues related to my automobile, I get on a plane to shift geolocations of vast distances fast and I pay my taxes so that CERN and LHC can figure out anti gravity for my future hoverboard adventures.
Experts in their fields. Our fields.
Do anyone of them have motive to kill me?
If I dont trust my bothers and sisters I am set back to late stone age.
If I cant trust this giant ladder of accumulated knowledge, I am nothing.
Is the vaccines without risc?
No. But the ladder, society, needs me to take this very small risc. So I will naturally do my part.
It makes perfect sense, no emotion required.

I agree 100% with your last couple of lines there. This situation is like a war, as I see it, and in a war you do your bit and accept whatever downside there might be as part of the collective struggle. So I got the booster jab, and if they call me for another one I'll get that as well.

I don't agree with the earlier part about trusting relevant 'experts'. Had a life time of encountering specialists and experts who didn't know as much as they thought they did. For example, none of the teachers at my old school had much of a clue about the lives of their students, or what was going on in their own school. They didn't, for example, know that a couple of their colleagues had been seriously sexually-abusing students on the premises for many years. Since then had any number of experiences with doctors or lawyers or other professionals where it turned out their expertise had major limitations.

I mean, I haven't had much direct experience with priests or cops, but you only need to read the papers to see how untrustworthy they can be, as 'professionals' and how prone they are to assume they know far more than they actually do.

The trouble with the concept of 'experts' and 'specialists' (and, above all, ' professionals') is that it all takes place in the context of a class-system. Some of it is just a pretense, a way of maintaining a heirarchy. Hence you can't fully trust experts. The trouble is in the US a distrust of experts seems to have become exclusively associated with the racist-right. (Though, oddly, the right seem very keen on everyone having absolute faith in the infallibility of cops...but even that seems to be weakening now).

In fact that's directly relevant to something I'm dealing with right now - had a consultation with a specialist medic, and came away thinking that I'm really not 100% convinced they know their stuff, because what they said directly contradicted what I'd read in papers in medical journals on-line. Experts and specialists aren't always right.

I'm in a state of serious confusion, in fact, because I know I might not be right either - maybe I'm entirely misinterpreting what those articles were saying? But as it appears the condition I wanted information about is extremely rare and was only definitively identified as a distinct condition as recently as 2016, it seems entirely possible that a random practitoner, even a specialist, might not be that well informed about it. I suspect they were making a mistake that some of the papers I've read also made (as pointed out by other papers). The real problem is you simply can never question such 'experts' very forcefully, because they get very annoyed and you alienate them. You have to tip-toe around their professional pride, so you always come away still full of doubts.

I mean this is why the Bolsheviks introduced a system of Commissars - to keep an eye on those 'experts' who were needed but who couldn't be trusted. Obviously that didn't work, but the problem it was supposed to deal with is a real one.
 
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pmv

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This is why I don't entirely agree with that Asimov quote that's been posted on here (something about 'my ignorance is equal to your expert knowledge'). I don't think it's as simple as that. it's not necessarily wrong to be suspicious of credentials and expertise, because we don't live in a perfect world, and those things are always muddled up with class hierarchies.

I don't know what the solution is - having uneducated proletarians or peasants with revolvers keeping an eye on engineers and military officers didn't really solve the problem last time round.


It's why the one aspect of the climate-change-deniers' argument that I had a bit of sympathy with, was the claim that for socio-economic reasons, it was possible for a 'false concensus' to emerge within a discipline. And that climate change researchers might share a collective bias.

Of course, after years of taking denialist arguments seriously, and trying to look into them for myself (the saturation argument, the sunspot argument, the iris-cloud argument, the Huntsville satellite and radiosonde temperature anomalies, the claims about urban heat islands and corrections to surface temperature data, etc etc) and finding in turn that each of them wasn't supported by the evidence and that in fact the orthodox science was better in accord with the data, and then further noticing the zombie nature of these arguments, that the same already-debunked claims kept getting resurrected, and most of all the way the deniers kept changing horses without ever once acknowledging their previous steed had been shot out from under them - it became obvious that the real motivated-reasoning and bias was on the part of the denialists, and I stopped bothering to waste time looking into their claims.

But an entire discipline can be biased - cf "evolutionary psychology" or "IQ studies"....maybe even psychology in its entirety (another 'expert' field I don't trust).
 

Bitek

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In case anyone was wondering just how low the GOP could go when it comes to COVID we've got this real winner of a story today:


That's right - after fighting all efforts to control COVID tooth and nail and watching their own constituents die at hugely faster rates than everyone else, Republicans are blaming Biden for not controlling COVID.
Well, when they're dead they won't be able to vote, so fuck em anyway.

I'm tired of their stupidity


Off to go read sorryantivaxxer.com ...
 
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