I feel you, but I don’t agree. I think we are drastically underestimating the social costs of continuing this sort of behavior. Like, I think if kids return to in person school the odds of them contracting covid are quite high. I think we should do it anyway though, because the costs of remote learning are far higher than the deaths that will result. I think this is broadly true for most of the population.
That's actually counter to the CDC recommendations.
I personally think that precautions are all that is needed once vaccinated. Avoid big crowds, mask up, similar simple things. The social costs of those are nearly zero. I just don't think we are ready yet to return to normal life (no masks, big crowds, etc). Mostly normal life, sure. But fully back? Not yet.
I agree that it’s counter to CDC recommendations but ignoring CDC recommendations is what we did every day before covid so if anything that’s a return to normal life too, haha. Do you follow CDC guidelines on how to prepare meat and eggs for example? I bet you don’t, so why are these special?That's actually counter to the CDC recommendations.
Everyone wants to 'compare' it to the flu. It is similar in that they are both virus, and the flu kills some.COVID-19 and Your Health
Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.www.cdc.gov
COVID on the other hand attacks organs and leave permanent damage for those that survive. Import bits and pieces like the heart, lungs, brain.
Vaccinated people are becoming horribly sick, lasting for multiple weeks.
And please in the future if you make statements like "the evidence shows", include a link to such evidence... and not a link to facebook or the like.
I agree that the social costs of masks are near zero and should be worn in most public spaces but I think the social costs of avoiding crowds are actually very high. People like things like football games and concerts!
WOW, that is a long and desperate stretch... comparing how well you cook your steak to a deadly fucking virus... your desperation is palpable.
Neither of those are "social events"... you are just a spectator. Guess it is a substitute for those without friends to say they are 'being social'.
Sorry, what? What 'cost of remote learning' is higher than that of dead children again?
I have plenty of friends and I enjoy football games and concerts as social events. Going to an eagles game with my wife and one of my best friends is a social even I look forward too all year, in fact!
The cost of a lack of socialization and dramatically worse educational outcomes that will likely affect millions and millions of kids for their entire lives.
So you seem to recognize the idea that not all CDC guidelines should be followed because they fail to account for the cost of following them. This is a start!
Seriously? Christ, they have to learn in front of a live video feed, and must communicate with friends via instantaneous texting. Let me fetch my fainting couch. I'm sure the parents of those dead children will be thrilled to know that others got to see their friends in person for an additional period of time.
I think you are RADICALLY underestimating the damage done to children, especially young children, by not going to in-person school. They will likely be damaged for life.
I don't know the stats behind the Flu, but I'd be willing to consider it, yes.
Here's a quick one that was published last year, and this is before even more damage was inflicted by remote learning. As you can see it's a nightmare.
I disagree. The majority of these children are interacting and socializing daily online thru remote learning (interaction with the teacher/students via zoom, etc), playing games and chatting, talking to friends over the internet via typed text or voice/mic.. the only aspect that is missing is person to person, but that isn't necessary to socialize.. We are socializing right now having this discussion. Honestly, what is missing is parent interaction, or in some cases, to much parent interaction, with parents not knowing how to actually be parents an properly interact/communicate/teach their kids.. Many parents have been expecting and leaving 99% of all teaching to the teacher, including life lessons that SHOULD be taught by the parents. With remote learning, and the kids at home, parents have no fucking clue on what they should be doing because many of the schools have been "parenting" for them.
The link you provided, as well as the source material for it, suggest around 4mo avg disruption for most students, which falls in line with the disruption period immediately following the pandemic start and schools closing, before they got widespread remote learning up and rolling. It identifies that children of color are suffering more, but that's not a pandemic related issue (clearly, as it's not affecting white communities), it's an inequality related issue. So 404, catastrophe/nightmare not found. Get our politicians to fix the equality issues rather than leveraging them for votes, and suddenly we've got a brief period where we got caught with our pants down, followed by 'new normal' after that where everyone's getting educated.You would be willing to consider the abolition of in person schooling to control influenza? This would be a social catastrophe.
Here's a quick one that was published last year, and this is before even more damage was inflicted by remote learning. As you can see it's a nightmare.
Students of Color Could Be up to 12 Months Behind by the End of This School Year
"The pandemic has forced the most vulnerable students into the least desirable learning situations"time.com
By this logic before the pandemic home schooled children should be as well socialized or even better socialized than their in-person school counterparts.
Not to mention NOT having kids fucked up for life because they had friends die when they didn't need to. I remember the ones we lost growing up quite well.
No, my link shows that large loss of learning from just the few months at the end of the previous school year. It didn't even measure the following school year's loss of learning. That got even worse.
The stereotypical pre-pandemic 'home schooled' child wasn't socially stunted because of home schooling, they were usually stunted because the kinds of parents that home schooled also tended to a) isolate those children, and b) be a bit nutty themselves. In addition to that, they were doing what everyone else wasn't, necessarily isolating them further. If everyone's remote, there's nothing socially weird about remote/at home learning.
If the parents and grandparents are vaccinated they are at approximately the same risk as if their kid caught the flu. Should we have closed schools in the past for the flu?
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