Covid awareness is out of style but covid is still HUGE, they just don't want you to realize it!

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Threads at various covid subreddits make this clear.

Here's a sample:

I tested positive for first time 11 days ago got on Paxlovid immediately. I'm worried for a rebound (something's going on now) and wondering if I should indeed give up exercise for a couple months to improve my chances of not getting long covid.

This ~10 minute video made by covid sufferer and posted in one of these threads is amazing and sobering:


 
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deadlyapp

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It's being minimized because for the large majority of people it doesn't matter much. Behaviors have changed (slightly) since 2020 but people are going to live their lives as they see fit. I've had COVID once or twice more since 2020 and haven't treated it as anything more than a cold and have suffered no long term effect. My wife has had it once or twice with no issues, my kids (4 & 2 now) have probably had it once and no issues. It's been minimized because it should be. Immunocompromised individuals at are more risk but they are also at high risks of every other severe virus (flu, etc).
 
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This country can't be great again for anything with all these dummies running around.

CVS called me -- an AI robot voice like the Google Maps girl -- to tell me I should schedule a flu shot. I drove down there and asked about the COVID booster. They say "probably middle of next month". So a dual-vaccination is on my calendar.

Many must die . . . . so that I . . . . can live . . .
 

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It's being minimized because for the large majority of people it doesn't matter much. Behaviors have changed (slightly) since 2020 but people are going to live their lives as they see fit. I've had COVID once or twice more since 2020 and haven't treated it as anything more than a cold and have suffered no long term effect. My wife has had it once or twice with no issues, my kids (4 & 2 now) have probably had it once and no issues. It's been minimized because it should be. Immunocompromised individuals at are more risk but they are also at high risks of every other severe virus (flu, etc).
You (and ANYBODY) has a ~10++% chance of developing Long Covid every time a strain of covid develops in your body, whether you are symptomatic or not. This fact is not played up in the media and is suppressed by the powers that be. Do some research on this -- realizing this will help you in protecting yourself and others.

At Mayo Clinic:

Because the virus that causes COVID-19 continues to change, researchers can't say how many people have been affected by long COVID. Some researchers have estimated that 10% to 35% of people who have had COVID-19 went on to have long COVID.




Mayo Clinic Home Page

Long COVID: Lasting effects of COVID-19


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Long COVID: Lasting effects of COVID-19​

Some people continue to experience health problems long after having COVID-19. Understand the possible symptoms and risk factors for post-COVID-19 syndrome.
By Mayo Clinic Staff

After any coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) illness, no matter how serious, some people report that symptoms stay for months. This lingering illness has often been called long COVID or post-COVID-19 syndrome. You might hear it called long-haul COVID or post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 (PASC).

There is no universal definition of long COVID right now.
In the U.S., some experts have defined long COVID as a long-lasting, called chronic, condition triggered by the virus that causes COVID-19. The medical term for this is an infection-associated chronic condition.
As researchers learn more about long COVID, this definition may change.

What are the most common symptoms of long COVID?​


In research studies, more than 200 symptoms have been linked to long COVID. Symptoms may stay the same over time, get worse, or go away and come back.
Common symptoms of long COVID include:
  • Extreme tiredness, especially after activity.
  • Problems with memory, often called brain fog.
  • A feeling of being lightheaded or dizzy.
  • Problems with taste or smell.

Other symptoms of long COVID include:
  • Sleep problems.
  • Shortness of breath.
  • Cough.
  • Headache.
  • Fast or irregular heartbeat.
  • Digestion problems, such as loose stools, constipation or bloating.
Some people with long COVID may have other illnesses. Diseases caused or made worse by long COVID include migraine, lung disease, autoimmune disease and chronic kidney disease.
Diseases that people may be diagnosed with due to long COVID include:
  • Heart disease.
  • Mood disorders.
  • Anxiety.
  • Stroke or blood clots.
  • Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, also called POTS.
  • Myalgic encephalomyelitis-chronic fatigue syndrome, also called ME-CFS.
  • Mast cell activation syndrome.
  • Fibromyalgia.
  • Diabetes.
  • Hyperlipidemia.
People can get long COVID symptoms after catching the COVID-19 virus even if they never had COVID-19 symptoms. Also, long COVID symptoms can show up weeks or months after a person seems to have recovered.
And while the COVID-19 virus spreads from person to person, long COVID is not contagious and doesn't spread between people.

Why does COVID-19 cause ongoing health problems?​


Current research has found that long COVID is a chronic condition triggered by the virus that causes COVID-19. The medical term for this is an infection-associated chronic condition.
Researchers don't know exactly how COVID-19 causes long-term illness, but they have some ideas. Theories include:

  • The virus that causes COVID-19 upsets immune system communication. This could lead immune cells to mistake the body's own cells as a threat and react to them, called an autoimmune reaction.
  • Having COVID-19 awakens viruses that haven't been cleared out of the body.
  • The coronavirus infection upsets the gut's ecosystem.
  • The virus may be able to survive in the gut and spread from there.
  • The virus affects the cells that line blood vessels.
  • The virus damages communication in the brain stem or a nerve that controls automatic functions in the body, called the vagus nerve.
Because the virus that causes COVID-19 continues to change, researchers can't say how many people have been affected by long COVID. Some researchers have estimated that 10% to 35% of people who have had COVID-19 went on to have long COVID.

What are the risk factors for long COVID?​


Risk factors for long COVID are just starting to be known. In general, most research finds that long COVID is diagnosed more often in females of any age than in males. The long COVID risk also may be higher for people who have cardiovascular disease before getting sick.
Some research also shows that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may help prevent long COVID.

Many other factors may raise or lower your risk of long COVID, but research is still ongoing.

What should I do if I have long COVID symptoms?​


See a healthcare professional if you have long COVID symptoms. Part of long COVID's definition is symptoms that last for three months.
But at this time, no test can say whether you have long COVID. Since you may not have symptoms if you have an infection with the COVID-19 virus, you may not know you had it. Some people have mild symptoms and don't take a COVID-19 test. Others may have had COVID-19 before testing was common.

Long COVID symptoms may come and go or be constant. They also can start any time after you had COVID-19. But symptoms still need to be documented for at least three months in order for a health care professional to diagnose long COVID.
Healthcare professionals may treat your symptoms or conditions before a long COVID-19 diagnosis. And they may work to rule out other conditions over the time you start having symptoms.
Your healthcare team might do lab tests, such as a complete blood count or liver function test. You might have other tests or procedures, such as chest X-rays, based on your symptoms.
The information you give and any test results can help your healthcare professional come up with a treatment plan.

Care for long COVID​


It can be hard to get care for long COVID. Treatment may be delayed while you work with healthcare professionals. And people with long COVID may have their health problems dismissed by others, including healthcare professionals, family members or employers.
For people with cultural or language barriers, getting a long COVID diagnosis can be even harder. Pulling together information about symptoms and timing can be a challenge too. This is especially true when medical history is fragmented or when someone is managing symptoms related to memory or that affect the thought process.

Underdiagnosis may be more common among people who have less access to healthcare or who have limited financial resources.
If you're having long COVID symptoms, talk with your healthcare professional. It can help to have your medical records available before the appointment if you are starting to get care at a new medical office.
To prepare for your appointment, write down:
  • When your symptoms started and if they come and go.
  • What makes your symptoms worse.
  • How your symptoms affect your activities.
  • Questions you have about your illness.
List medicines and anything else you take, including nutrition supplements and pain medicine that you can get without a prescription. Some people find it helpful to bring a trusted person to the appointment to take notes.
Keep visit summaries and your notes in one place. That can help you track what actions you need to take or what you've already tried to treat your symptoms.
Also, you might find it helpful to connect with others in a support group and share resources.

How long can long COVID last?​


The conditions linked as part of long COVID may get better over months or may last for years.

What treatment is available for long COVID?​


Healthcare professionals treat long COVID based on the symptoms. For tiredness, your healthcare professional may suggest that you be active only as long as your symptoms stay stable. If you start to feel worse, rest and don't push through your tiredness.
For symptoms of pain, breathlessness or brain fog, work with your healthcare professional to find a treatment plan that works for you. That may include medicine you can get without a prescription for pain, prescription medicine, supplements and referrals to other healthcare team members.

For loss of taste or smell, a process to retrain the nerves involved in those processes may help some people. The process is called olfactory training. For people with POTS or a fast heartbeat, the healthcare professional may suggest prescription medicine as well as a plan to stay hydrated.
Treatment for other long COVID symptoms may be available so contact your healthcare professional for options.

Next steps for Long COVID​


Long COVID makes life more difficult for many people. To provide better options for care, research is going on to better understand this illness. In the meantime, adults or children with long COVID may be able to get support for daily activities affected by the illness.

Related information​

History of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccines timeline.​

Learn about the history of major disease outbreaks, epidemics and pandemics, as well as the impact vaccines and research had on many infectious diseases.
Find out more at History of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccines timeline.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Are you thinking a finial solution sort of thing?
No more than the July 2020 political rally that infected Herman Cain to cause his untimely passing.

They do it to themselves. I remember 2020. Right away, I was having fun with my Trainman Bandana and cowboy hat -- visiting the bank. Later on, I would wear shop goggles, woodland-camo parka shell, blue nitrile gloves and a 3M paint respirator like Dustin Hoffman in "Outbreak" -- going out to COSTCO or the medical clinic. We kept our aging, bed-bound Moms safe. Bro ordered groceries through instacart. I took Moms and her wheelchair to her appointments for Moderna shots. We all got booster vaccinated without delay.

We couldn't bury my Bro when the restrictions were still extant, prohibited by travel arrangements for Moms and the risk of a gathering or wake. I had him cremated, and put his ashes up in the china cabinet next to the ceramic nativity scene Moms kept there -- nearest to the manger.

So when Moms asked me what happened to Bro, I had held back telling her the sad news that he passed, but finally I told her "Moms? Bro is with Jee-sus!" Bro didn't die from COVID, but only from his circulatory disease. That was New Year's 2022.
 
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You (and ANYBODY) has a ~10++% chance of developing Long Covid every time a strain of covid develops in your body, whether you are symptomatic or not. This fact is not played up in the media and is suppressed by the powers that be. Do some research on this -- realizing this will help you in protecting yourself and others.

At Mayo Clinic:






Mayo Clinic Home Page

Long COVID: Lasting effects of COVID-19


Print


Long COVID: Lasting effects of COVID-19​

Some people continue to experience health problems long after having COVID-19. Understand the possible symptoms and risk factors for post-COVID-19 syndrome.
By Mayo Clinic Staff

After any coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) illness, no matter how serious, some people report that symptoms stay for months. This lingering illness has often been called long COVID or post-COVID-19 syndrome. You might hear it called long-haul COVID or post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 (PASC).

There is no universal definition of long COVID right now.
In the U.S., some experts have defined long COVID as a long-lasting, called chronic, condition triggered by the virus that causes COVID-19. The medical term for this is an infection-associated chronic condition.
As researchers learn more about long COVID, this definition may change.

What are the most common symptoms of long COVID?​


In research studies, more than 200 symptoms have been linked to long COVID. Symptoms may stay the same over time, get worse, or go away and come back.
Common symptoms of long COVID include:
  • Extreme tiredness, especially after activity.
  • Problems with memory, often called brain fog.
  • A feeling of being lightheaded or dizzy.
  • Problems with taste or smell.

Other symptoms of long COVID include:
  • Sleep problems.
  • Shortness of breath.
  • Cough.
  • Headache.
  • Fast or irregular heartbeat.
  • Digestion problems, such as loose stools, constipation or bloating.
Some people with long COVID may have other illnesses. Diseases caused or made worse by long COVID include migraine, lung disease, autoimmune disease and chronic kidney disease.
Diseases that people may be diagnosed with due to long COVID include:
  • Heart disease.
  • Mood disorders.
  • Anxiety.
  • Stroke or blood clots.
  • Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, also called POTS.
  • Myalgic encephalomyelitis-chronic fatigue syndrome, also called ME-CFS.
  • Mast cell activation syndrome.
  • Fibromyalgia.
  • Diabetes.
  • Hyperlipidemia.
People can get long COVID symptoms after catching the COVID-19 virus even if they never had COVID-19 symptoms. Also, long COVID symptoms can show up weeks or months after a person seems to have recovered.
And while the COVID-19 virus spreads from person to person, long COVID is not contagious and doesn't spread between people.

Why does COVID-19 cause ongoing health problems?​


Current research has found that long COVID is a chronic condition triggered by the virus that causes COVID-19. The medical term for this is an infection-associated chronic condition.
Researchers don't know exactly how COVID-19 causes long-term illness, but they have some ideas. Theories include:

  • The virus that causes COVID-19 upsets immune system communication. This could lead immune cells to mistake the body's own cells as a threat and react to them, called an autoimmune reaction.
  • Having COVID-19 awakens viruses that haven't been cleared out of the body.
  • The coronavirus infection upsets the gut's ecosystem.
  • The virus may be able to survive in the gut and spread from there.
  • The virus affects the cells that line blood vessels.
  • The virus damages communication in the brain stem or a nerve that controls automatic functions in the body, called the vagus nerve.
Because the virus that causes COVID-19 continues to change, researchers can't say how many people have been affected by long COVID. Some researchers have estimated that 10% to 35% of people who have had COVID-19 went on to have long COVID.

What are the risk factors for long COVID?​


Risk factors for long COVID are just starting to be known. In general, most research finds that long COVID is diagnosed more often in females of any age than in males. The long COVID risk also may be higher for people who have cardiovascular disease before getting sick.
Some research also shows that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may help prevent long COVID.

Many other factors may raise or lower your risk of long COVID, but research is still ongoing.

What should I do if I have long COVID symptoms?​


See a healthcare professional if you have long COVID symptoms. Part of long COVID's definition is symptoms that last for three months.
But at this time, no test can say whether you have long COVID. Since you may not have symptoms if you have an infection with the COVID-19 virus, you may not know you had it. Some people have mild symptoms and don't take a COVID-19 test. Others may have had COVID-19 before testing was common.

Long COVID symptoms may come and go or be constant. They also can start any time after you had COVID-19. But symptoms still need to be documented for at least three months in order for a health care professional to diagnose long COVID.
Healthcare professionals may treat your symptoms or conditions before a long COVID-19 diagnosis. And they may work to rule out other conditions over the time you start having symptoms.
Your healthcare team might do lab tests, such as a complete blood count or liver function test. You might have other tests or procedures, such as chest X-rays, based on your symptoms.
The information you give and any test results can help your healthcare professional come up with a treatment plan.

Care for long COVID​


It can be hard to get care for long COVID. Treatment may be delayed while you work with healthcare professionals. And people with long COVID may have their health problems dismissed by others, including healthcare professionals, family members or employers.
For people with cultural or language barriers, getting a long COVID diagnosis can be even harder. Pulling together information about symptoms and timing can be a challenge too. This is especially true when medical history is fragmented or when someone is managing symptoms related to memory or that affect the thought process.

Underdiagnosis may be more common among people who have less access to healthcare or who have limited financial resources.
If you're having long COVID symptoms, talk with your healthcare professional. It can help to have your medical records available before the appointment if you are starting to get care at a new medical office.
To prepare for your appointment, write down:
  • When your symptoms started and if they come and go.
  • What makes your symptoms worse.
  • How your symptoms affect your activities.
  • Questions you have about your illness.
List medicines and anything else you take, including nutrition supplements and pain medicine that you can get without a prescription. Some people find it helpful to bring a trusted person to the appointment to take notes.
Keep visit summaries and your notes in one place. That can help you track what actions you need to take or what you've already tried to treat your symptoms.
Also, you might find it helpful to connect with others in a support group and share resources.

How long can long COVID last?​


The conditions linked as part of long COVID may get better over months or may last for years.

What treatment is available for long COVID?​


Healthcare professionals treat long COVID based on the symptoms. For tiredness, your healthcare professional may suggest that you be active only as long as your symptoms stay stable. If you start to feel worse, rest and don't push through your tiredness.
For symptoms of pain, breathlessness or brain fog, work with your healthcare professional to find a treatment plan that works for you. That may include medicine you can get without a prescription for pain, prescription medicine, supplements and referrals to other healthcare team members.

For loss of taste or smell, a process to retrain the nerves involved in those processes may help some people. The process is called olfactory training. For people with POTS or a fast heartbeat, the healthcare professional may suggest prescription medicine as well as a plan to stay hydrated.
Treatment for other long COVID symptoms may be available so contact your healthcare professional for options.

Next steps for Long COVID​


Long COVID makes life more difficult for many people. To provide better options for care, research is going on to better understand this illness. In the meantime, adults or children with long COVID may be able to get support for daily activities affected by the illness.

Related information​

History of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccines timeline.​

Learn about the history of major disease outbreaks, epidemics and pandemics, as well as the impact vaccines and research had on many infectious diseases.
Find out more at History of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccines timeline.
So this all boils down to "any symptoms you have could be long covid", and there is no definitive test for it. The listed symptoms could also be caused by poor diet and lack of exercise. TMB would cover a bunch of them as well.
 

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Long covid is a thing not to be fucked with. It can fuck you up big time for life. There are many millions of victims. Only a fool would doubt this.

 

deadlyapp

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I'm sorry - but I'll take my chances.

40% of americans are obese
48% of americans have cardiovascular disease
11% of americans have diabetes

If any true analysis was done (which it sounds like it hasn't because symptoms can be misdiagnosed, there is no accurate study, etc) I would suspect you find that the vast majority of long COVID cases come from population that are already predisposed in high numbers.

I'm not changing my behaviors for something that may or may not happen - you're absolutely welcome to.

And no I'm not a "denier" - I'm just not willing to inconvenience my life for a likely infinitesimal chance of developing long covid.
 

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I'm sorry - but I'll take my chances.

40% of americans are obese
48% of americans have cardiovascular disease
11% of americans have diabetes

If any true analysis was done (which it sounds like it hasn't because symptoms can be misdiagnosed, there is no accurate study, etc) I would suspect you find that the vast majority of long COVID cases come from population that are already predisposed in high numbers.

I'm not changing my behaviors for something that may or may not happen - you're absolutely welcome to.

And no I'm not a "denier" - I'm just not willing to inconvenience my life for a likely infinitesimal chance of developing long covid.
I'd say you're right on the mark here. Obese people are sick, news at 11:00.
 

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You're both how they say, out to lunch.
Could be. Or we could have legitimate questions about symptoms with no identifiable link to covid.
Is there other information available about these cases? Things like age, sex, bmi, exposure to other chemicals, things like that?

I'll see if I can find an article I ran across a year or two back that made the claim that there was no such thing as long covid. I honestly don't recall much about it other than that particular claim.
 

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Could be. Or we could have legitimate questions about symptoms with no identifiable link to covid.
Is there other information available about these cases? Things like age, sex, bmi, exposure to other chemicals, things like that?

I'll see if I can find an article I ran across a year or two back that made the claim that there was no such thing as long covid. I honestly don't recall much about it other than that particular claim.
There's a lot of bullshit and prevarication out there, it's necessary to develop a sense of what's trustworthy and what isn't. Especially necessary to recognize info that's motivated by a need to spread lies and avoid contaminating your mind by them.
 

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Cleveland Clinic's page on Long Covid:

 

Greenman

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There's a lot of bullshit and prevarication out there, it's necessary to develop a sense of what's trustworthy and what isn't. Especially necessary to recognize info that's motivated by a need to spread lies and avoid contaminating your mind by them.
The bold part is the kicker, how do you know what the truth is? Long covid could be CFS. I remember when that was a big deal and now it's never mentioned.
We have a large group of random symptoms that could be caused by covid, or it could be that covid simply pushed an already unhealthy person into the next stage of their decline.
 

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The bold part is the kicker, how do you know what the truth is? Long covid could be CFS. I remember when that was a big deal and now it's never mentioned.
We have a large group of random symptoms that could be caused by covid, or it could be that covid simply pushed an already unhealthy person into the next stage of their decline.

Where's that article you read...two years ago?
No matter, when you only "research" what you already believe, you end up thinking like RFK Jr.
And now eventually no one will get any vaccines. You think you see unhealthy people now? Just wait a few years.
 
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Where's that article you read...two years ago?
No matter, when you only "research" what you already believe, you end up thinking like RFK Jr.
And now eventually no one will get any vaccines. You think you see unhealthy people now? Just wait a few years.
That cuts both ways. If you have a bunch of random symptoms and decide it's covid related your stuck in that loop. What if it's resurgence of CFS? How would anyone know?
Btw I have no issue with vaccines. They've changed the world. My entire family is vaccinated.
 

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Btw I have no issue with vaccines. They've changed the world. My entire family is vaccinated.

Well that's about to change. Do you think the covid vaccine is the only one RFK jr will restrict. He wants to end all childhood vaccines. He'll announce that shortly after the upcoming September reveal of what HE thinks causes autism. First time the HHS has ever announced how long it would take to find a cause for something...before doing any research. Pre-determined outcome.

At my physical in July my doctor said it's been 9 years since my last tetanus vaccine. They recommend every 10 years, but you can do it every 5. He said I should get mine a year early, just in case it wasn't available next year. I took his advice. He knows what's coming. And now I'll have to get his to write me a script for a covid booster...ridiculous.

And it IS a resurgence of CFS, they believe caused by covid infections.