Londo_Jowo
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I could care less whether you believe it or not, the fact is the case is over and no matter what you think you know will not change the verdict.
Matt1970
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183 pages of PDF that isn't even text searchable? No thanks. Judging by your OJ comments in here as well I think arguing with you is pointless anyways.
I read the entire discovery and the other discovery releases, you could too.
Look, I'm not saying that we need to reopen the case or anything like that. I'm just pointing out that the prosecution did not bring their guns to the shootout.
My statements on OJ are based on the fact that there was no such interview and all you have is some hearsay in the form of an article. I don't think OJ is innocent, just pointing out that he never confessed to anything as a matter of fact.
Matt1970
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You just might have to accept the fact that there really weren't any guns to bring.
I'm not trying to change the verdict, I'm taking issue with the statement that the defense in that case was some kind of game changer or that the prosecution did everything they could to get a conviction when they didn't even really try, that's all.
I don't need to change the verdict. Zimmerman being acquitted is kinda "meh-tier" to me. I'm more incensed that he keeps trying to cash in on the death of an unarmed teen rather than simply shutting up and going away. He can't get a job? Too bad, he should have stayed in his truck. Let his family take care of him for the rest of his life.
I'm also not obligated to ignore or forget about what he said and did, just as nobody forgot about what OJ said and did or Jodie arias or the guys that killed emmit till or whoever. Life doesn't work that way.
There were plenty of guns to bring. There was Zimmermans inconsistency, forensic evidence that you refuse to read, Zimmermans own statements, Zimmermans record of harassing people in the neighborhood and so on. Not to mention the fact that Trayvon did not have a duty to retreat and had the right to use force (even initiate force) if he believes Zimmerman is a threat. Other victims have gotten that benefit post mortem, no reason why Trayvon shouldn't.
The prosecution became Clint Eastwood when they were in the line of fire yet they didn't bring that to their case. Obvious that they did not want to get a conviction here.
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There is already a humongous opinion thread about the Zimmerman trial, please post there. This thread is some one's butt-hurt over editing to fit a time slot getting thrown out of court.
I agree. I only responded to what other people said about the trial here. They brought up something about the trial and got two cents in return.
As for the case being thrown out, I believe that Zimmerman will still fail because his reputation was already at the maximum level of trashed long before NBC ever made a single broadcast of the sound bites in question. If they aren't directly responsible for his trashed reputation, he can't collect damages.
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HumblePie
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Wow, lets compare the forensic evidence between OJ and Zimmerman shall we?
OJ case:
Prosecution had the following. Witness placing OJ at scene. Glove containing blood evidence with DNA belonging to both Goldman and Nichole along with OJ's skin DNA evidence inside the glove. Weeks of Nichole calling police to keep her estranged husband away from her as she has been receiving death threats from him for a long time. A murder knife that was a custom pocket knife that matches a knife OJ purchased weeks before the murder. You have history, motive, opportunity, bodies, DNA evidence, and the murder weapon. OJ had zero defense except that his fat hands couldn't fit into the glove a year later in a court room. That was it. Zero other defense to rely upon.
Zimmerman case:
Zimmerman was the one who killed Trayvon. The difference is if it was justified self defense or not. The prosecution had nothing to disprove self defense. Not a single shred of evidence to disprove self defense at all. some of what the prosecution presented as evidence in trial actually ended up as evidence for the defense it was that bad of a case for them.
Dunn case:
Again, it was a case of the prosecution not having any evidence to disprove self defense. The had the evidence to prove attempted murder on the other 3 teens that were fleeing the scene as Dunn continued to fire upon them. That is why he is in jail and shall remain in jail for a long time. I have no sympathy for someone that does that. You shoot to stop a threat and stop shooting when the threat is over. He didn't stop shooing when the threat was over and is facing the punishment for that action.
It's hard to really compare the cases since the OJ Simpson case wasn't a self defense case. So the prosecution had to prove he was the one who killed Nichole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. They had more evidence in that case to prove OJ Simpson was the killer than most murder case that end up in a guilty verdict. The prosecution screwed up because they allowed the defense to grandstand in front of the jury.
As for what OJ said later, anything he says to anyone outside a court room is heresay. Whether it is producers of a show or you or me. Even if it wasn't, it couldn't be used against him in a court of law anymore. He already lost the civil suit because there was certainly a preponderance amount of evidence against him which was laid out in the criminal court case. Which is why he was made poor and ended up in jail for stealing shit. He got to the place he needed to be but in a round about manner. He's a POS that is where he belongs.
Michael Dunn is a POS that is where he belongs.
George Zimmerman is also a POS, but he hasn't done anything criminal yet to put him behind bars. If he continues to be a POS he'll mess up eventually and up there. However, just because I feel Zimmerman is not a good person as a human, doesn't mean I think he was criminal culpable in the death of Trayvon Martin.
I also think that NBC also defamed him with their original media broadcasts and deserve to be sued as well as lose that lawsuit.
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Actually, this thread is going because GZ fans are so butthurt about the civil trial being thrown out that they can't stop talking about the criminal trial.
HumblePie
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LOL, you are the one that started talking about the case in the recent conversation in this thread. Starting with post 264 and continuing onward as you argued with several other posters about it. I just laugh at how butthurt you and others are that Zimmerman is walking around a freeman because the law and the court showed the case was a self defense case for Zimmerman.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Sc0rp, before you start celebrating you should wait and see what Florida 5th DCA does with the appeal.
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Not interested in reading a book first thing in the morning man.
Look, in the dunn case the prosecution had EYE WITNESSES that said they saw him say 'nobody talks to me like that', pull out his gun and shoot into the truck. They had FORENSIC EVIDENCE that the door to truck was CLOSED when Dunn opened fire. NONE of the witnesses saw the teens ditch a weapon. Dunn fled the scene and made no mention of seeing a shotgun to his girlfriend. He also tried to hide. The police had to come get him instead of him calling the police to report a shooting. There was a police officer right across the street from the gas station and Dunn didn't stop to tell him about the shooting. If that one witness had never took down his license plate, we'd never know who killed the boy.
In the case of the Zimmerman trial, the evidence was there. Not only that, you also have his own statements. Where the prosecution really messed up is that they played the audio from his interviews and such during the trial. If they hadn't done that, then Zimmerman would have had to take the stand to make his own claim of self defense and at that point, anyone could destroy him. Aside from that, the prosecution did demonstrate that Zimmerman started the whole altercation and fixed his temporary problems with a perminant solution. The bottom line is that there was plenty shown during the trial that would justify a manslaughter conviction but the jury didn't have the wherewithal to understand the definition of "manslaughter" and there was one juror that tainted the jury into believing that in order to find him guilty of ANYTHING the state essentially had to prove that Zimmerman committed Murder I. Gee, whodathunk that letting a juror in that has a husband who's a lawyer and wants to write a book would be a bad idea. Sleeping with someone doesn't instantly grant knowledge of what they know.
In the OJ trial, the evidence was tainted. It's strange that the one guy that kept finding key evidence was a guy that knew OJ before the murders and was revealed to be a racist, which kinda impeached everything he did. It's almost as though OJ paid The detective to screw the case up during trial.
Everything I've posted has been a response to what someone else said. If you bring up the case, I'll make a response to address what you bring up.
In post 264, YOU were clearly talking about the trial and I responded to what You said. To the arguments that YOU made. Want to stop talking about the criminal trial? Stop brining it up. >:0
As a matter of fact, after reading 264, I didn't say ANYTHING at all about the trial! I was telling YOU the reason why people were so ticked at Zimmerman.
Dude, why do you feel the need to make crap up when anyone can just go back to 264 and read it?
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In order to get the judgement reversed, they have to appeal every point the judge mentioned in her judgement. One of those is impossible to overturn because Zimmermans reputation was ruined and people were calling him a racist long before NBC came along and aired anything about Zimmerman.
Basically, Zimmerman burned his own house down, then NBC came along and flicked a cigarette onto the smoldering remains and Zimmerman wants NBC to pay for his burned house.
Londo_Jowo
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I will wait and see what the 5th DCA does with the appeal as we heard the same thing from people like yourself about the 5th DCA not forcing Judge Lestet to recuse himself and not overturning Judge Nelson's ruling concerning the defense deposing Crump.
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Dunn also said in his initial deposition that he stated "Are you talking to me?" when he was questioning the teens in the vehicle when he was claiming Davis was making threats at him because he wasn't sure they were being made at him over the music. That statement doesn't show anything at all.
As for the door, no they didn't show it was closed, and due to trajectory of the bullets moving backwards from the front of his car to the rear passenger seat, which Dunn pointed out himself in court, you can see where the door had to be open to get the same trajectory angle as the followup shots did as the the SUV was backing out of the spot. That was the evidence that was WHY he wasn't convicted of murder for Davis. As far as finding no weapon, it's not relevant. You don't understand the case at all if you don't understand why he was found not guilty for the murder of Davis, but found guilty for the attempted murder of the other 3 teens in the vehicle.
No, there was no evidence there at all. Which is why the police didn't arrest him due to the law in Florida that without any evidence that could potentially disprove self defense, they couldn't arrest George Zimmerman. The prosecution had zilch for evidence beyond the questionable testimony of a FWB fat chick that ended up being more of a burden to their case on the stand than a help.
Evidence tainted now huh? LOL. You really grasp at straws don't you? Because a single cop, by your own words, can fake DNA evidence of all 3 people found on the glove. Can fake the DNA evidence of both victims found on the socks he was wearing and inside his white Bronco as well? OR maybe you want to claim that it was the whole department that did it? That they planted a custom one of a kind made knife he bought himself weeks prior at the scene?
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Can you quote me saying anything about judge Lester or crump?
EVERY judge gets a judgement appealed at some point in their career. The problem here is that Zimmermans lawyer has so many hurdles to jump in order to make an appeal and if he fails to clear any one of those hurdles the judgement will not be overturned. With judge Lester, there was only one hurdle to jump. With the crump thing, there was only one hurdle to jump.
Like I said, the highest hurdle by far is that NBC is not responsible for Zimmermans claimed damages.
I already stated how the evidence was tainted. Look, I tire of going in these circles with you. This is the point where I just sit here and look at you.
Note, there was plenty of evidence in the Zimmerman trial if you read the discovery and in the dunn trial both witnesses and the forensic evidence say the door on the truck was closed. That's why all the debris and bullet fragments were inside of the truck and there were no bullet holes on the rear panel of the truck from the first volley even though bullets passed through the boys body.
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You crazy..
First OJ confessed because the Enquirer says he hid... lol. Now you're trying to dictate which jury acquittals matter and which don't and we are allowed to question...
Just admit you know not what you speak of and keep it moving.
Oh, he also thinks NBC defamed Zimmerman when they made their first broadcast long after his reputation was already rubble. As though Zimmerman had a great reputation or worthwhile earning potential before the shooting... -_-
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