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"He calls himself Hispanic on his driver's license. He calls himself Hispanic on his voter registration card."

"On voter registration forms, George Zimmerman identified himself as Hispanic, as did his mother."
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There's NO picture of Zimmermans voter registration, but in this video after the 3:00 mark...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXcO_jL19-s

You should be able to hear the police officer READ OFF what's on his license. The officer reads his race as WHITE. Also, if you go read the police reports involving Zimmerman, they all say he is WHITE. That's not the police guessing, they got that info from his DRIVERS LICENSE. Don't bring me an article that simply reiterates what the Zimmermans told them
 
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Londo_Jowo said:
What arguments? The fact of the matter is the prosecution couldn't prove their half truths, innuendo, and fairy tales beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury saw through the BS the prosecution was trying to sell and acquitted GZ on all charges. Nothing you can put forth will ever change that. So go piss up a rope and tell yourself it got wet in a rain shower.
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The fact of the matter is that the prosecution did not bring all their guns to the shootout. Not by a long shot. Another fact is that you guys have been WRONG about several things that you posted here. I don't like stupid people, but several things you guys tried 'owning' me with is demonstrably wrong. Either you guys are lying and this is all some elaborate ruse or you're dead from the neck up. Basically a meathead. Cut it out.
 
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The Florida driver license application has a race/ethnicity field with choices of Asian, Black, Hispanic, Native American, White, and Other. Zimmerman chose Hispanic on this and the voter registration application.
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Watch this video at 3:00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXcO_jL19-s

What race does his drivers license say again? What race?!

Say it so everyone can hear. Write it so everyone can see!

The officer in the video clearly read his race as white!

If you guys want to claim that he filled out his voter registration as Hispanic, I'm going to need to see a picture of it! not articles on blogs that basically give no source on their contents! >:0
 
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Watch this video at 3:00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXcO_jL19-s

What race does his drivers license say again?

Say it so everyone can hear.

If you guys want to claim that he filled out his voter registration as Hispanic, I'm going to need to see a picture of it. >:|
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Race/ethnicity is stored in the state's driver license records database. It is not printed on the license. Your intellectual laziness is truly stunning.

I supposed it's your prerogative to disbelieve the Tampa Bay Times (Corrected link; the previous one was to an interview with the author) and Associated Press articles, or to assume that both reporters are bumbling idiots who reported Zimmerman's unsubstantiated claims as fact. I'll just continue laughing at your incompetence.

Of course, someone did allegedly capture a photo of Zimmerman's voter registration information from the state's database:

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But only an idiot would find a picture more compelling than multiple independently-researched news articles. And you'll just ignore it or insist that it's fake.
 
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Orignal Earl said:
I see..and await the response you will get.
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Oh I'm ready for their response. I'm tired of dealing with their BS. I already knew about the video and I knew about Zimmermans police reports listing him as white. I also knew that there was talk of him filing out his voter registration as a Hispanic democrat, but I've yet to see a single picture, fax or scan of this voter registration and none of the articles talking about it have ever given a source or shown proof of it, if anything, this demonstrates how easily the weak minded are moulded by the media. I knew that they were going to try and say his DL and voter registration said he was Hispanic and I knew that there is a ton of evidence that proves that his ID says he is white.
 
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Race/ethnicity is stored in the state's driver license records database. It is not printed on the license. Your intellectual laziness is truly stunning.

I supposed it's your prerogative to disbelieve the Tampa Bay Times (Corrected link; the previous one was to an interview with the author) and Associated Press articles, or to assume that both reporters are bumbling idiots who reported Zimmerman's unsubstantiated claims as fact. I'll just continue laughing at your incompetence.

Of course, someone did allegedly capture a photo of Zimmerman's voter registration information from the state's database:

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But only an idiot would find a picture more compelling than multiple independently-researched news articles. And you'll just ignore it or insist that it's fake.
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Zimmerman has a Florida drivers license. His florida's drivers license says he is white. Also, race IS printed on your drivers license. It is printed on mine.

Also, when the police ran his I'd the night of the shooting, his race would come up and that is the info that they would use in their report.

Also, for the record, your statement is the same as saying that only an idiot believes in science over what the Bible and Quran say. The picture is acceptable. All I said was that I never saw anything about his voter registration. And I demanded a picture as proof because I believe actual evidence over someone simply saying it without providing any source, which the articles you posted did not.
 
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Zimmerman has a Florida drivers license. His florida's drivers license says he is white. Also, race IS printed on your drivers license. It is printed on mine.
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In Manatee County Florida, the drivers application has race and ethnicity, listed as one thing. One of the choices is Hispanic. It has While, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Native American and other listed and says only pick one.
The cop in your video is clearly reading Zimmerman's license to the female officer and does say White male.
Maybe Zimmerman don't live in Manatee County anymore?

edit- Ok, I see Sanford is not in Manatee either. I just went by the link Venix posted for Manatee County licenses
 
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I just searched for Florida drivers license (google image search) and none of the examples show the person's race.

Even though I have to provide race information for a Texas drivers license or voter registration neither show the person's race.
 
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Orignal Earl said:
In Manatee County Florida, the drivers application has race and ethnicity, listed as one thing. One of the choices is Hispanic. It has While, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Native American and other listed and says only pick one.
The cop in your video is clearly reading Zimmerman's license to the female officer and does say White male.
Maybe Zimmerman don't live in Manatee County anymore?
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I don't know that he would get a new drivers license, but I do know that the arresting officers from the night of the shooting and when he was booked after being indicted would run his drivers license and record his race. They kinda have to run his ID to see if he had a warrant or had prior offenses. His voter registration was like almost 10 years old at the time of the shooting. A lot of stuff can happen in ten years. Be that as it may, I'll make note of the registration now that I've actually seen and confirmed it.
 
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Londo_Jowo said:
I just searched for Florida drivers license (google image search) and none of the examples show the person's race.

Even though I have to provide race information for a Texas drivers license or voter registration neither show the person's race.
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Ok. In my county and state, the race is on the ID's.

Consider this. On the night of the shooting. The police at the station and the homicide detective would have had to run Zimmermans ID and base their reports off of the results.

When he was arrested and booked, they would have had to run his a data to put it into the system.
 
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Orignal Earl said:
You notice the ghost picture on the licenses, it says that contains secret data.
I wonder what that is all about

edit- independent research has told me cops read that with UV
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Certainly feasible especially since their cruisers have a computer in them.
 
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Consider this. On the night of the shooting. The police at the station and the homicide detective would have had to run Zimmermans ID and base their reports off of the results.
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Baseless speculation. You know nothing about the Sanford police department's report-filing process.

Unsurprisingly, yet another source contradicts you: "Zimmerman is identified as "white" in the original police report. However, according to CBS News investigative producer Pia Malbran, who has been reporting from Miami, police in Florida routinely label Hispanics who don't have black skin as "white," even if they have ethnic facial features."
 
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Baseless speculation. You know nothing about the Sanford police department's report-filing process.

Unsurprisingly, yet another source contradicts you: "Zimmerman is identified as "white" in the original police report. However, according to CBS News investigative producer Pia Malbran, who has been reporting from Miami, police in Florida routinely label Hispanics who don't have black skin as "white," even if they have ethnic facial features."
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Even when booking them and after running their ID?

https://la.utexas.edu/users/jmciver/357L/P7/George Zimmerman -- booking report_041212.pdf

Hmm.
 
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Baseless speculation. You know nothing about the Sanford police department's report-filing process.

Unsurprisingly, yet another source contradicts you: "Zimmerman is identified as "white" in the original police report. However, according to CBS News investigative producer Pia Malbran, who has been reporting from Miami, police in Florida routinely label Hispanics who don't have black skin as "white," even if they have ethnic facial features."
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If Zimmerman were to fill out a census form, he would put down White in the race section and Hispanic in the ethnicity section.
Right? We can put that together from all the articles posted
If a cop is writing out Race on a form he would put White.
 
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I'm not sure what this argument is even over. At the end of the day all that matters is what the world perceives Zimmerman to be. And what the world perceives him to be is the inherent privileges he receives. That night he was perceived to be white, because that's what the cops saw or because of what GZ wrote on his license or what he told them. And thus he got the benefits of that. It thus became a young black guy vs. a white guy. And we know how that story usually ends. End of Story.
 
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I'm not sure what this argument is even over. At the end of the day all that matters is what the world perceives Zimmerman to be. And what the world perceives him to be is the inherent privileges he receives. That night he was perceived to be white, because that's what the cops saw or because of what GZ wrote on his license or what he told them. And thus he got the benefits of that. It thus became a young black guy vs. a white guy. And we know how that story usually ends. End of Story.
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That's true and it wasn't the media guessing at Zimmermans race, they got his race from the police reports and the police have not changed their tune as to what his race is, yet the media has.

That said, I never really considered his race an important factor. I considered his behavior to be the issue.
 
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I'm not sure what this argument is even over. At the end of the day all that matters is what the world perceives Zimmerman to be. And what the world perceives him to be is the inherent privileges he receives. That night he was perceived to be white, because that's what the cops saw or because of what GZ wrote on his license or what he told them. And thus he got the benefits of that. It thus became a young black guy vs. a white guy. And we know how that story usually ends. End of Story.
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That was kind of covered in one of the links ;)

1. "The race of Zimmerman is relevant. The race of Trayvon is relevant."

2. "There's the question of how a person self-identifies. And there's the question of how society identifies you."

3. "Being a person of color doesn't preclude racially profiling someone else."
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http://www.tampabay.com/news/definitions-of-race-cloud-case-of-black-teens-shooting/1221036
 
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