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Couple with three sons abort twin boys conceived with IVF

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Modular said:
This idea is in and of itself a logical fallacy. It assumes that someone has an opinion because they are trying to feel better about themselves, which is entirely inaccurate in many situations.

Also, the argument itself is a judgment. How can I ever take it seriously if it offers no insightful means by which to criticize without judging? It's basically judging judgment and then calling judgment bad...like a cat chasing its tail, it goes nowhere and has no substance.
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Son, everyone has an ego, some people such as yourself like to pretend that they don't and yet they are the ones with the biggest egos around.

It does seem like you got the point though, no one ever judges without putting someone else below the ego of one self, that is the point.

Congratulations, you learned something new today, no go forth and use your newfound knowledge.

Preferably at another forum far far away from this one.

Thank you and goodbye.
 
Their money, their family, her body. Anybody who tries to stick their nose in somebody's life and business can just fuck right off. It boggles the mind that people are fine with creating life semi-unnaturally through IVF, but flip out over cancelling that same unnatural life. The family would have been miserable, and maybe would have tried again for a girl. If they couldn't afford it then the life for the kids suck. Aborting is far more humane than some of the other alternatives.
 
Modular said:
I can see that you're defensive and I'm sorry for that because it's going to cloud your ability to ever see things from the other side on this issue.

I'll leave you with this: I disagree that all parts of morality can be neatly boiled down to individual beliefs. We, as a society believe that there are absolute truths (at least a few) and some of those are measurable. Selfish decisions are measurable, and for the most part, society will agree that selfish acts which impact others are detrimental. Just because they happen doesn't make them right.
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Actually, i'm offensive rather than defensive, i question you, you did not question me, perhaps when you grow up simple terms will be easier to understand?

ALL desicions made are always selfish, wheter it's to help someone so you can feel good about yourself or condemn someone so that you can feel good about yourself doesn't really matter, you still do it for selfish reasons.

Morality has to do with empathy first and foremost, it's WHAT gives you the good feeling when you help someone else but you are still doing it for a selfish reason, it makes you feel good.

There is a lot of evolution to bring that into something we call modern man, who needed it to be able to survive in groups together with others.

See, empathy makes you able to feel others pain even though you are not hurting, if you feel pain, help them and it leaves you feeling better, did you do it for them?

Now, morality is just a way to judge others, to set up your own higher code that you live by and that you think makes you better than those who don't, it doesn't mean that you ARE better than those, it just means that YOU think you are, so you feel good about yourself, the ego is pleased.
 
gorcorps said:
Their money, their family, her body. Anybody who tries to stick their nose in somebody's life and business can just fuck right off. It boggles the mind that people are fine with creating life semi-unnaturally through IVF, but flip out over cancelling that same unnatural life. The family would have been miserable, and maybe would have tried again for a girl. If they couldn't afford it then the life for the kids suck. Aborting is far more humane than some of the other alternatives.
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Everyone knows this.
 
xanis said:
Getting an abortion based on not being able to properly love/care for a child is one thing. Getting an abortion because you wanted a girl and got boys is something different, and not exactly right IMO.
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yeah, im for the right to choose...im also for taking responsibility for your actions. aborting because you dont like the sex is...its pretty messed up in some way that i am not sure exactly how to describe.
 
xSauronx said:
yeah, im for the right to choose...im also for taking responsibility for your actions. aborting because you dont like the sex is...its pretty messed up in some way that i am not sure exactly how to describe.
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Masturbating because you are bored is pretty messed up in some way i am not sure exactly how to describe.

Either there is a reason why abortion is wrong and then it is simply wrong and the reasons don't matter, or it's perfectly ok and then still, the reasons don't matter.

Same thing with masturbation.

*eeeeevery spemie's sacred*
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
ALL desicions made are always selfish, wheter it's to help someone so you can feel good about yourself or condemn someone so that you can feel good about yourself doesn't really matter, you still do it for selfish reasons.

Morality has to do with empathy first and foremost, it's WHAT gives you the good feeling when you help someone else but you are still doing it for a selfish reason, it makes you feel good.
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None of this is true. Many descsions are not made for selfish reasons. That is your view point on why people do things. You have a pessimistic attitude that leads you to have suspicion about people's motives. Morality has little to do with empathy. Most things that are moral, do not give the person the sense of feeling good. Tying this in with this situation, the moral thing would have been to have the boys and love them like the other 3. But they chose to do what was selfish, which was not the moral thing to do. You attribute morality with a sense of feeling good about one's self, when in reality morality is not tied to any emotion at all.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Everyone.


Nope, so I won't decide to have one based on the sex of a child. It's really none of your business, however. That's the point.


I have a sister.
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please get a grip on reality. i am just discussing it here. that's as much as i'm making it "my business". 🙄

so your parents got a boy and a girl. sweet.
 
classy said:
None of this is true. Many descsions are not made for selfish reasons. That is your view point on why people do things. You have a pessimistic attitude that leads you to have suspicion about people's motives. Morality has little to do with empathy. Most things that are moral, do not give the person the sense of feeling good. Tying this in with this situation, the moral thing would have been to have the boys and love them like the other 3. But they chose to do what was selfish, which was not the moral thing to do. You attribute morality with a sense of feeling good about one's self, when in reality morality is not tied to any emotion at all.
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All are, whether you want to live in a pretend world where yours are isn't important to me.

YOU believe the moral thing to do in this made up story would be to keep them, surely you feel good about saying that, surely your moral values make you feel good about yourself? They feed your ego just fine, don't they you selfish son of a bitch...

Of course they were selfish, but the point is, so is everyone. Your moral code makes you feel better than them, you judged them based on your morality and it was selfish, it made you feel good.

Or are you saying that doing the right thing (based on your moral code) doesn't make you feel anything at all? Well perhaps you are a psychopath then? That is the only possible explanation for that.
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
All are, whether you want to live in a pretend world where yours are isn't important to me.

YOU believe the moral thing to do in this made up story would be to keep them, surely you feel good about saying that, surely your moral values make you feel good about yourself? They feed your ego just fine, don't they you selfish son of a bitch...

Of course they were selfish, but the point is, so is everyone. Your moral code makes you feel better than them, you judged them based on your morality and it was selfish, it made you feel good.

Or are you saying that doing the right thing (based on your moral code) doesn't make you feel anything at all? Well perhaps you are a psychopath then? That is the only possible explanation for that.
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Its doesn't take a psychopath or a selfish person to look at this situation and realize that having an abortion because the kid is the wrong sex is wrong. Can't feed em? Didn't want any kids? Health issues? I am on board. But knocking them off because they are the wrong sex is wrong.
 
moshquerade said:
why don't i support abortion? i am pro life. I won't tell anyone else what to do, but i would never get an abortion.
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Are you sure about that?

Let's say you were raped and eventually the development of the fetus would lead to having to make a choice, your life or the fetus's life...

Still against having an abortion?

I don't really like doing this to you..
 
destrekor said:
And yet, it still doesn't effect a single person. No matter the reasons, absolutely zero other individuals are impacted by said decisions.
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bull. I have yet to meet a woman who had an abortion that did not feel guilty and depressed about it. so yes it does effect people.
 
classy said:
Its doesn't take a psychopath or a selfish person to look at this situation and realize that having an abortion because the kid is the wrong sex is wrong. Can't feed em? Didn't want any kids? Health issues? I am on board. But knocking them off because they are the wrong sex is wrong.
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That wasn't what we were discussing, but with a one track mind such as yours i am not surprised you had to run away immediatly.

Nice of you to make that judgement, makes you feel good about yourself for being better than them, doesn't it?

Which is all morality is, a way to feel better about yourself by judging others.
 
OutHouse said:
bull. I have yet to meet a woman who had an abortion that did not feel guilty and depressed about it. so yes it does effect people.
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I have never met a woman who felt bad about her choice, but then again, they didn't have people around them who told them what losers and a whores they were either.

Those people should be lined up and shot, in the gut preferably.
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
Are you sure about that?

Let's say you were raped and eventually the development of the fetus would lead to having to make a choice, your life or the fetus's life...

Still against having an abortion?

I don't really like doing this to you..
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I *knew* you were going to come back with that. 😛

a lot of women have given up their lives for their child. women forgo cancer treatment so their developing child can live. some may think them stupid for giving their lives for their child. i call it selfless.

in the case of rape, i would still have the child.

we can agree to disagree on this. my views won't change. i am still against having an abortion. a lot of women who do have abortions regret it. it's a heart-wrenching decision for some.

again, i will emphasize though, before others jump in to insult me, i have never voiced my opinion to anyone else who's had an abortion. it's not my decision to make for them. this is just my own personal opinion of the matter.
 
This is simply the next step in our move back to Eugenics, instead of exterminating the undesirables though we'll simply breed them out through abortions and designer-created babies.
 
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Reason doesn't matter. The result is still the same. The reason would only matter if you viewed the fetus/whatever it is as a child, but if this were the case, abortion for any reason at all would be unacceptable, making this particular abortion no different from any other abortion.

I, however, cannot sleep at night thinking about all those potential siblings that never came to be because my parents simply decided not to produce them. Those murderous bastards. Boycott condoms. And to think that if genetic material had mixed in a slightly different way I would not exist the way I do now. Or if this. Or if that. What if? What if I were Superman?
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
I have never met a woman who felt bad about her choice, but then again, they didn't have people around them who told them what losers and a whores they were either.

Those people should be lined up and shot, in the gut preferably.
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I know two women personally who, in hindsight, feel bad about their choice to have an abortion. I know another woman who contemplated abortion and then didn't do it. She stills brings it up to me periodically and wonders how she ever contemplated terminating the pregnancy and not having that awesome little boy. She is plagued with guilt and she didn't even go through with it.

So, it does happen.
 
that's a shame. i think it's stupid, selfish, morally unsettling, and a complete waste of money. i think it's reprehensible what they've done... however, it's not my body nor is it my business.

ugh... disgusting fucks.
 
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