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Couple with three sons abort twin boys conceived with IVF

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moshquerade said:
Should couples be able to abort fetuses based on the sex? What are the implications here? I don't think that should be a basis for terminating pregnancy and no one is going to convince me otherwise. :colbert:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in-boys-IVF--try-baby-girl-daughter-died.html
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Mosh, it's the daily fail, they produce stories to sell papers and if you ever read a story in it, you can pretty much be sure that it's incorrect.

On the off chance that this is the first true story that hasn't been tampered with by the "reporters", all i can say is, so fucking what?

If you see abortion as something completely wrong then why the fuck would you care about what reason it was for? If the mum was dying it should still be wrong in that case.

If you see it out of a scientifically solid standpoint, then up to week 25 there is no cerebral cortex activity, this is what is used to determine if a born patient is alive or dead, so then you'll go with that.

If you're like me, well, for me it's a combination of the mothers right to her own body and well being as well as the 25 week rule.

I honestly don't think there is any reason to ever abort a post 25 week fetus these days though, it can be removed without being discarded. Of course this will cost tax payers a LOT of money and the people who are very much against abortions will find themselves in a dilemma over this.

See, no one gives a fuck about the child once it's born, it's while it's a fetus it's precious and wonderful, once it's born it's a money making machine to support welfare mothers and has no value.
 
Adopting a girl would have been cheaper... just saying. Obivously this couple has money though since they can afford to just abort IVF and say they will go to America to get this done.

Why not let them pick their sex as long as the male/female birthrate in the country isn't too disproportional?
 
Kev said:
This is probably the stupidest, most selfish reason one could possibly have for an abortion.
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And yet, it still doesn't effect a single person. No matter the reasons, absolutely zero other individuals are impacted by said decisions.
 
Wouldn't it be weird if you found out when you got older that your parents aborted like 3 or 4 girls before they had you b/c they wanted a boy?
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
Mosh, it's the daily fail, they produce stories to sell papers and if you ever read a story in it, you can pretty much be sure that it's incorrect.

On the off chance that this is the first true story that hasn't been tampered with by the "reporters", all i can say is, so fucking what?

If you see abortion as something completely wrong then why the fuck would you care about what reason it was for? If the mum was dying it should still be wrong in that case.

If you see it out of a scientifically solid standpoint, then up to week 25 there is no cerebral cortex activity, this is what is used to determine if a born patient is alive or dead, so then you'll go with that.

If you're like me, well, for me it's a combination of the mothers right to her own body and well being as well as the 25 week rule.

I honestly don't think there is any reason to ever abort a post 25 week fetus these days though, it can be removed without being discarded. Of course this will cost tax payers a LOT of money and the people who are very much against abortions will find themselves in a dilemma over this.

See, no one gives a fuck about the child once it's born, it's while it's a fetus it's precious and wonderful, once it's born it's a money making machine to support welfare mothers and has no value.
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Ok John, so this news source is like the National Enquirer here? Which is a rag sheet that prints mostly lies.
 
CycloWizard said:
Do you really think there is no place for the discussion of ethics in society?
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For the discussion of ethics, yes.

Are you claiming it is unethical to abort a fetus? On what grounds?

Please don't claim it's murder. That's the most laughable claim in the world.

If they had these two children, and then killed them once they are considered infants, well... that's different.

That would also bring back a whole new discussion, however; societies actually used to practice such a thing.
 
Abortion by sex happens far more often than you'd probably assume.

I guess the other option is to toss the unwanted-gendered baby out onto the streets like they do in China.
 
destrekor said:
For the discussion of ethics, yes.

Are you claiming it is unethical to abort a fetus? On what grounds?

Please don't claim it's murder. That's the most laughable claim in the world.

If they had these two children, and then killed them once they are considered infants, well... that's different.

That would also bring back a whole new discussion, however; societies actually used to practice such a thing.
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Abortion and killing babies in ancient times was a huge thing because hunter gather tribes had a hard time taking care of a child, since children could not help hunt or gather and just consumed resources. Sucks, but that's what it was.
 
As long as they paid for the abortion then that's all that matters. However, I am also entitled to the opinion that they're a couple of terrible human beings for aborting fetuses because they couldn't get the sex they wanted.

This does however kind of take us down the Gattica road, if extrapolated out to other ideals that one day we may be able to test for in the womb (strength, size, mental aptitude, etc).
 
destrekor said:
For the discussion of ethics, yes.

Are you claiming it is unethical to abort a fetus? On what grounds?

Please don't claim it's murder. That's the most laughable claim in the world.

If they had these two children, and then killed them once they are considered infants, well... that's different.

That would also bring back a whole new discussion, however; societies actually used to practice such a thing.
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I didn't make any argument one way or the other - only that it's stupid to state that no discussion of ethics should take place.
 
destrekor said:
And yet, it still doesn't effect a single person. No matter the reasons, absolutely zero other individuals are impacted by said decisions.
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Really? So you've affected no one with your life? Who are you to say what effect this has had on the world?

Also, just because someone isn't sentient doesn't mean that they aren't a person. If we used that as a basis for all of our decisions regarding life, then we would have the "right" as a society to kill off the part of the mentally handicapped society that is so ill that they can't form memories, feel happiness, and think for themselves, something any sane person would have a problem with.

The real issue with abortion is that people don't want to face responsibility. Kids, adults, teens, whatever; they all want to have no consequences for their actions and abortion gives them that "right". In the end, they're killing a human being, and the world is worse off because of it, and they will have to answer for it one day.

Acts like this serve absolutely no purpose to the family. They willfully took a life based on the whimsical notion that they would rather have a daughter. It's gut wrenching to think that adults can have such a childish, selfish view of life.
 
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