Couple Charged With Having Intercourse In Front of 9-Year-Old Daughter to Teach Her About Sex

[jjones]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mugs
So Amused, what is your opinion on this story? Obviously that depends on whether the child was harmed. Do you think what they did would harm a child?

I don't know. I suspect it may very well have harmed the child but I am no expert. Either way, it certainly isn't very smart.

Advocate claims there is enough evidence to back up the position that this is harmful. While we may disagree on ideological concepts, I have never noted him to lie.

You don't have to make the absolute determination of harmfulness. That's not what's required, nor should it be. Capacity is the child's ability to comprehend the situation enough to object in his/her best interests (if necessary). Child lacks capacity, and has been forced, persuaded or cajoled into attending these sessions (only "fact" finding I'm making), without the capacity to acquiesce. It is the distcintion that we make between kids and adults. But if the girl was 18, would you still be okay with her mom talking her into watching her have sex with her boyfriend?

BTW, you never really answered the question. Ignoring the factual determination of "harmful", when is it okay in your worldview for the govt to step in?

So, by this logic, does a child have the capacity to comprehend religion well enough to determine if it is in their best interest and object to it if necessary. Or are children generally forced to attend church and sunday school or whatever flavor of religious teachings parents inflict on their children?

Legally? Or morally? Forget that red herring, don't most Christian denominations employ the concept of confirmation for this reason? There's your answer.

If it were the natural parents doing this, I would have no objection at all.

Because the thousands of books and educational films on the topic are not a good basis for a parental discussion. Because she needs to see penetration and fluid exchange with her own parents to learn and it won't scar her for life...

Good lord. I've officially seen it all on ATOT.

Lol, since when is baptism, first communion, and confirmation left up to a child's discretion? That's a laugh.

And since when are books and educational films the only means of providing education? And what's wrong with penetration and exhange of bodily fluids? But you're right, being a sexually free individual would scar her in a sexually repressed society. Can't argue with you there.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Amused

My positions do not have inconsistency. I am consistently in favor of individual rights and freedoms and a government designed to protect those rights and freedoms.

My reply would have to be a long P&N post. I'll save it for that forum sometime. Suffice to say, I completely disagree with you.

If you completely disagree with me, there is no way in hell you could ever consider yourself a "libertarian." Not even a person with libertarian leanings.

 

[randay]

"alright now son, pay close attention because I'm only going to do this once. This ones called, the 'donkey punch'."

 

[Unmoosical]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mugs
So Amused, what is your opinion on this story? Obviously that depends on whether the child was harmed. Do you think what they did would harm a child?

I don't know. I suspect it may very well have harmed the child but I am no expert. Either way, it certainly isn't very smart.

Advocate claims there is enough evidence to back up the position that this is harmful. While we may disagree on ideological concepts, I have never noted him to lie.

You don't have to make the absolute determination of harmfulness. That's not what's required, nor should it be. Capacity is the child's ability to comprehend the situation enough to object in his/her best interests (if necessary). Child lacks capacity, and has been forced, persuaded or cajoled into attending these sessions (only "fact" finding I'm making), without the capacity to acquiesce. It is the distcintion that we make between kids and adults. But if the girl was 18, would you still be okay with her mom talking her into watching her have sex with her boyfriend?

With this logic, where is the line of understanding? At what age does a human being have the capacity to comprehend the situation enough to object in his/her best interest? Does it magically happen on a persons 18th birthday?

Also, I fail to see the difference between a young child watching a porno and seeing it in real life. Does seeing two people having sex in person make it profound? I guarantee that there have been many young boys (and girls for that matter) that have seen porno. I don't believe that they have all been "scared for life."

I do not agree with what they did but punishment for it is ridiculous.

 

[TallBill]

I'm laughing horribly at everyone commenting on books and educational films on the topic of sexual intercourse. For christ sake, if you cant figure it out on your own, then you are an idiot. Its a very very simple concept, even if you've never seen it before.

 

[joecool]

Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Woonsocket? More like Poonsocket.

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Phokus
I think i've read the exact same story before several years ago too. Eww.

did you read it in your diary?

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm laughing horribly at everyone commenting on books and educational films on the topic of sexual intercourse. For christ sake, if you cant figure it out on your own, then you are an idiot. Its a very very simple concept, even if you've never seen it before.

QFT.

I'd like to add that I think parents should help kids understand the biology behind reproduction, how their bodies are made and change with puberty, how to protect themselves, and how to make mature decisions regarding their health and sexuality, but they really shouldn't be giving their kids advice on how to "do it right." There's something inherently incestuous (and at the very least bordering on pedophilia) about graphically and personally demonstrating sexual technique to your young child. I'm no prude, but that's just fvcked up.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
I'd like to add that I think parents should help kids understand the biology behind reproduction, how their bodies are made and change with puberty, how to protect themselves, and how to make mature decisions regarding their health and sexuality, but they really shouldn't be giving their kids advice on how to "do it right." There's something inherently incestuous (and at the very least bordering on pedophilia) about graphically and personally demonstrating sexual technique to your young child. I'm no prude, but that's just fvcked up.

Finally, someone gets it.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Phokus
I think i've read the exact same story before several years ago too. Eww.

did you read it in your diary?

You sure it was a story? You sure it wasnt... nothing?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm laughing horribly at everyone commenting on books and educational films on the topic of sexual intercourse. For christ sake, if you cant figure it out on your own, then you are an idiot. Its a very very simple concept, even if you've never seen it before.

QFT.

I'd like to add that I think parents should help kids understand the biology behind reproduction, how their bodies are made and change with puberty, how to protect themselves, and how to make mature decisions regarding their health and sexuality, but they really shouldn't be giving their kids advice on how to "do it right." There's something inherently incestuous (and at the very least bordering on pedophilia) about graphically and personally demonstrating sexual technique to your young child. I'm no prude, but that's just fvcked up.

yeah big brothers are there to give you tips on how "to do it right"!

 

[JRich]

Who else is going to hold the camera?

 

[KarmaPolice]

messed up yes
strange hell yeah
but serious jail time seems overboard.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't see how "neglect" figures into this. It's not like they were't feeding her, or ignoring her needs. Lewd, crude, and pretty ****** up yes, but not exactly "neglect"

 

[EKKC]

Originally posted by: her209
Giggity giggity gooo!!!

LMAO! They're from Rhode Island too!

 

[mugs]

I wonder what people's opinions would be if it wasn't the girl's mother and mother's boyfriend who allowed her to watch them have sex. Suppose it was a neighbor who invited her over and encouraged but did not force her to watch him have sex. Would you all approve of that?

 

[FoBoT]

that is insane

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: mugs
I wonder what people's opinions would be if it wasn't the girl's mother and mother's boyfriend who allowed her to watch them have sex. Suppose it was a neighbor who invited her over and encouraged but did not force her to watch him have sex. Would you all approve of that?

My parents didnt teach sex ed at my school. that said I wouldnt and dont approve of any child being shown first hand how to gigity giggity goo.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mugs
I wonder what people's opinions would be if it wasn't the girl's mother and mother's boyfriend who allowed her to watch them have sex. Suppose it was a neighbor who invited her over and encouraged but did not force her to watch him have sex. Would you all approve of that?

Not saying the original scenario is acceptable, but parents have a right to raise their kids how they see fit (within certain bounds of course). People outside of the family do not.

 

[mrkun]

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: eleison


Ohhh noes.. its the "for the sake of the child.. think of the children!!!" guy... there always has to be one in the group...

Ohhh noes... its the "I am a pervert and see nothing wrong with having sex in front of a nine year old so I will make a stupid comment about someone who feels it is wrong to do so" guy... there always has to be one in the group.

Yes, you are right.. how stupid of me... "We must really think of the children..." it is obviously wrong. never mind, there are millions of people in the world who has done the same either inadvertently or overtly due to their different cultures. these same cultures who would think we are crazy for even debating such a silly topic when there are more pressing issues in the world... never, mind... that...


How silly of me!!! I've learned my lesson. I will never go against the "think of the children!!!" guy again... lest his best friend, the "hey, if you don't believe what I believe, you're a pervert" guy chimes in.... the horror!!!!

dolt. Other cultures chop the clitoris off little girls. If they must do it... maybe we shold change our ways.

 

[mrkun]

For the people that believe this is "scarring the child for life," do you also believe it's unacceptable to raise children into hate organizations such as the KKK (which is perfectly legal)?

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: mrkun
For the people that believe this is "scarring the child for life," do you also believe it's unacceptable to raise children into hate organizations such as the KKK (which is perfectly legal)?

Thats the problem.
Its "acceptable" and "legal" to raise kids like that even though it is totally screwing them up.

So my answer to your question is: HELLS YES!

Oh, though I am not one of the folks of whom you asked the question. I believe sex and love are much healthier than hate and destruction.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: rudder


dolt. Other cultures chop the clitoris off little girls. If they must do it... maybe we shold change our ways.

We are talking about a kid seeing his parents doing it. We are not talking about holding the kid down and cutting her clitoris... they are two unrelated things... People who think they are the same thing are IMHO out of touch with reality..

When I was very young, I accidentally saw my parents doing it. I didn't scarred me for life.. I'm sure there are many other people who saw their parents doing it... and it didn't scar them for life either.

There are more important things in the world for the law enforcement people to worry about with respect to child welfare. Remember the children that were locked in the basement for 15 years by their crazy mom? Or the adoptive kids who were starved and beaten; and put into cages by there foster parents? Things like that, the law enforcement people should focus on...