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I think we did and it was eliminated in an "upgrade," or should I say, "downgrade?"Why dont we have a downvote button?
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I think we did and it was eliminated in an "upgrade," or should I say, "downgrade?"Why dont we have a downvote button?
I'm aware of these things, however WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? Everything you read?????? I've seen it said that the virus can survive on hard surfaces, including IIRC plastic, for up to 9 days! Yes, they say 1 on paper or cardboard, but do I believe them? Are you gonna bet your life on somebody's word? Your clock is not going to protect you. "Mainly" doesn't protect you either.The study I saw said it only takes a day on paper; three on plastic. Plus, the virus is mainly transmitted person-to-person anyway.
Sounds good. I came upon this ditty earlier today:First secure a private income, then practice virtue - Greek proverb (or so I keep being told).
I thought I did explain. No, it was not a treatise, but I took measures to provide someone with imagination and experience enough info to read between my lines. I'll try again, and endeavor to not get too verbose:explain?
We used to? I think. But alas...we are not the bacefookeryWhy dont we have a downvote button?
One of the cruiseliners that was stuck out to sea for a number of weeks had some testing done as they were disinfecting the ship, and live virus was apparently found on hard surfaces in sleeping quarters a full 2 weeks after the last occupant left. That's scary shit, but yeah it's hard to say with certainty when studies on viral survivability have not exactly been extensive or coordinated.I've seen it said that the virus can survive on hard surfaces, including IIRC plastic, for up to 9 days!
I've seen/heard of many studies. Much of the info from those is not consistent.
Once again you show how disconnected from reality and the plight of the poor you really are.America's definition of poor is much different than other countries. If you are low income here and are not a total irresponsible fuckup, you'll eat and have housing assistance, probably a phone and even a car of some sort, or you'll have public transportation. Unfortunately, a large percentage of those who are homeless and without food, are afflicted by alcoholism, drug addiction, and mental health issues, making it impossible to manage, no matter what they have. Many homeless around here have been evicted from section 8 housing because they couldn't even manage to pay their small portion, the part that is not subsidized. They also sell their EBT benefits for cash to by alcohol or drugs, so rather than eat, they get drunk or high.
I could manage because I don't have those issues. It would be reasonably comfortable survival, having what I need, but not necessarily what I want.
That may be true in idealized lab conditions, where surfaces are swabbed clean of contaminants, humidity can be perfectly controlled, and the surface is free of RNA-eating RNase. Additionally, detection on a surface is not the same thing as enough virus on a surface to get you sick. From the evidence to date, there is no reason to be so paranoid about surfaces and mail.I'm aware of these things, however WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? Everything you read?????? I've seen it said that the virus can survive on hard surfaces, including IIRC plastic, for up to 9 days! Yes, they say 1 on paper or cardboard, but do I believe them? Are you gonna bet your life on somebody's word? Your clock is not going to protect you. "Mainly" doesn't protect you either.
There are some people like that but the vast majority of people below the poverty line dont look poor by your standards so they dont appear poor and dont get the help they really need. Do not be mistaken, there are millions of people in serious trouble right now, and congress & the president have spent most of their careers making life better for the top one percent.America's definition of poor is much different than other countries. If you are low income here and are not a total irresponsible fuckup, you'll eat and have housing assistance, probably a phone and even a car of some sort, or you'll have public transportation. Unfortunately, a large percentage of those who are homeless and without food, are afflicted by alcoholism, drug addiction, and mental health issues, making it impossible to manage, no matter what they have. Many homeless around here have been evicted from section 8 housing because they couldn't even manage to pay their small portion, the part that is not subsidized. They also sell their EBT benefits for cash to by alcohol or drugs, so rather than eat, they get drunk or high.
I could manage because I don't have those issues. It would be reasonably comfortable survival, having what I need, but not necessarily what I want.
I can agree to some extent, especially the point about being 'poor' in the US often being magnitudes above poverty in third world countries. Not too many people in America starve to death unless it is kids who cannot provide for themselves, or those with medical issues including mental health that intentionally avoid eating. There are food pantries and soup kitchens in many communities if you know how to look and are not too proud. Many are just ignorant of help that is available to homeless and destitute folks.America's definition of poor is much different than other countries. If you are low income here and are not a total irresponsible fuckup, you'll eat and have housing assistance, probably a phone and even a car of some sort, or you'll have public transportation. Unfortunately, a large percentage of those who are homeless and without food, are afflicted by alcoholism, drug addiction, and mental health issues, making it impossible to manage, no matter what they have. Many homeless around here have been evicted from section 8 housing because they couldn't even manage to pay their small portion, the part that is not subsidized. They also sell their EBT benefits for cash to by alcohol or drugs, so rather than eat, they get drunk or high.
The idea that homelessness is primarily driven by drug/alcohol abuse or mental illness is a common misconception.America's definition of poor is much different than other countries. If you are low income here and are not a total irresponsible fuckup, you'll eat and have housing assistance, probably a phone and even a car of some sort, or you'll have public transportation. Unfortunately, a large percentage of those who are homeless and without food, are afflicted by alcoholism, drug addiction, and mental health issues, making it impossible to manage, no matter what they have. Many homeless around here have been evicted from section 8 housing because they couldn't even manage to pay their small portion, the part that is not subsidized. They also sell their EBT benefits for cash to by alcohol or drugs, so rather than eat, they get drunk or high.
I could manage because I don't have those issues. It would be reasonably comfortable survival, having what I need, but not necessarily what I want.
Sorta side-topic: I'm curious how many of the homeless population were not residents of CA when they became homeless, but 'migrated' there because of climate (both weather and political climate).Take California for example - the exceptionally high homeless rate isn’t because everyone there is drunk or high, it’s because people can’t afford a home because they made building them illegal.
I think there may be some of that - also as you mention the winters in the Midwest and northeast are literally deadly to be outside in so it’s more survivable in Southern California.Sorta side-topic: I'm curious how many of the homeless population were not residents of CA when they became homeless, but 'migrated' there because of climate (both weather and political climate).
I sure as hell wouldn't want to stay up here in WI if I became homeless...I'd go somewhere warmer and I bet Cali is generally 'friendlier' to homeless than say Florida or Texas.
I've gotten better. Thing is, you can't see the viral particles. Once I realized the significance of viral load I stopped being so paranoid. It's more protocols. I really don't need to open my mail right away, I can let it sit. I have each day's mail in its own pile and dated! Packages, I'll set aside or open but either with gloves or I wash my hands. I really don't want to catch this. At first I figured I would, that it would be hard to get to a vaccine before being infected. After a while (and much research) I realized I could minimize my chances of being infected if I did the right things. I mean, look at the numbers of infected daily now. People are either stupid or suffering pandemic fatigue. I am determined to suffer neither and I think I'm doing OK. Maybe a little paranoid about some stuff, but I'd prefer to be overly cautious than letting my guard down and getting sick.That may be true in idealized lab conditions, where surfaces are swabbed clean of contaminants, humidity can be perfectly controlled, and the surface is free of RNA-eating RNase. Additionally, detection on a surface is not the same thing as enough virus on a surface to get you sick. From the evidence to date, there is no reason to be so paranoid about surfaces and mail.
I've gotten better. Thing is, you can't see the viral particles. Once I realized the significance of viral load I stopped being so paranoid. It's more protocols. I really don't need to open my mail right away, I can let it sit. I have each day's mail in its own pile and dated! Packages, I'll set aside or open but either with gloves or I wash my hands. I really don't want to catch this. At first I figured I would, that it would be hard to get to a vaccine before being infected. After a while (and much research) I realized I could minimize my chances of being infected if I did the right things.
Good quote. But I was actually quoting lyrics from Nickleback which is... not good.Principles have no real force except when one is well-fed. - Mark Twain
