Could a black person get away with this?

[Linux23]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1292927186165473280

Tamir Rice didn't even get a warning before being gunned down. This guy is wrestling with the cop while trying to be arrested. I don't want to hear a single word by white people saying "just follow the cops orders and you won't be killed" ever again.

 

[nickqt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1292927186165473280

Tamir Rice didn't even get a warning before being gunned down. This guy is wrestling with the cop while trying to be arrested. I don't want to hear a single word by white people saying "just follow the cops orders and you won't be killed" ever again.

When white conservatives say this, they are only talking about themselves. As they have proven over and over again, they have zero empathy for anyone outside their in-group, and cannot imagine anything other than what they themselves know. Ask Nancy Reagan about stem cells before it affected her, or Dick Cheney about gay marriage before it affected him.

It's a mirror image of their selfish FYGM attitude when they're doing alright, but shifts to "gimme dat gub'mint money" when they find themselves in trouble.

Conservatism is typically shunned outside of rural areas because the more different people and cultures you are around, the more you are put in positions to naturally empathize with "others". And the more you empathize with others, the less likely you see everything as a zero-sum game where if someone else gets something, it means you aren't and the system is broken/rigged.

 

[esquared]

Yeah, an African American would stand a great chance of being shot in that circumstance.
It's just the way they train these cops. Its disgusting.

Until these fucks stop assuming its always the black man that's guilty, it will never change.
Just like today. We read about it all the time.
Mother shares video of armed police surrounding black son after they assumed he was attacker when teen called 911

Mother shares video of armed police surrounding black son after they assumed he was attacker when teen called 911

Multiple California police officers were filmed pointing guns at three African American teenagers who were were allegedly being threatened by a homeless man.The mother of one of the teenagers in the video, Tammi Collins, shared an 11-minute clip to her Instagram page, showing officers from the...

www.yahoo.com

 

[alien42]

Yeah, an African American would stand a great chance of being shot in that circumstance.
It's just the way they train these cops. Its disgusting.

Until these fucks stop assuming its always the black man that's guilty, it will never change.
Just like today. We read about it all the time.
Mother shares video of armed police surrounding black son after they assumed he was attacker when teen called 911

Mother shares video of armed police surrounding black son after they assumed he was attacker when teen called 911

Multiple California police officers were filmed pointing guns at three African American teenagers who were were allegedly being threatened by a homeless man.The mother of one of the teenagers in the video, Tammi Collins, shared an 11-minute clip to her Instagram page, showing officers from the...

www.yahoo.com

i agree but it isn't just training. some people have a little too much racism in their hearts and minds to be in law enforcement.

maybe screening could be improved?

 

[HumblePie]

WTF? Why are threads with race baiting crap like this allowed here to spread false lies and innuendo?

Black people have FAR more police arrests and interactions across the country. They have far less deaths or injuries as a result of those interactions that white people. The data from the DoJ and all other sources for years all back this up. So the answer to the OP is no. A black person is actually less likely in that scenario in the video to be shot and killed than a white person. Also, cops rarely kill unarmed people period. On average it is between 9-10 unarmed black people die per year. It is closer 40. Considering that there is around 450 white people killed by police every year and 200 ish black people, there is a higher percentage of unarmed white people dying versus unarmed black people.

There is no epidemic of fatal police shootings against unarmed Black Americans

Ideally officers would never need to take anyone's life. But the data on police killings doesn't support reducing or abolishing law enforcement.

www.usatoday.com

Police Kill More Whites Than Blacks is True and it Isn’t

Men lie, women lie and they both use numbers when it favors them.

medium.com

Why is propaganda like the OP allowed to be gaslighted around here?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

WTF? Why are threads with race baiting crap like this allowed here to spread false lies and innuendo?

Black people have FAR more police arrests and interactions across the country. They have far less deaths or injuries as a result of those interactions that white people. The data from the DoJ and all other sources for years all back this up. So the answer to the OP is no. A black person is actually less likely in that scenario in the video to be shot and killed than a white person. Also, cops rarely kill unarmed people period. On average it is between 9-10 unarmed black people die per year. It is closer 40. Considering that there is around 450 white people killed by police every year and 200 ish black people, there is a higher percentage of unarmed white people dying versus unarmed black people.

There is no epidemic of fatal police shootings against unarmed Black Americans

Ideally officers would never need to take anyone's life. But the data on police killings doesn't support reducing or abolishing law enforcement.

www.usatoday.com

Police Kill More Whites Than Blacks is True and it Isn’t

Men lie, women lie and they both use numbers when it favors them.

medium.com

Why is propaganda like the OP allowed to be gaslighted around here?

WTF why is it so hard to ask the Police to not choke out Citizens?

 

[ivwshane]

WTF? Why are threads with race baiting crap like this allowed here to spread false lies and innuendo?

Black people have FAR more police arrests and interactions across the country. They have far less deaths or injuries as a result of those interactions that white people. The data from the DoJ and all other sources for years all back this up. So the answer to the OP is no. A black person is actually less likely in that scenario in the video to be shot and killed than a white person. Also, cops rarely kill unarmed people period. On average it is between 9-10 unarmed black people die per year. It is closer 40. Considering that there is around 450 white people killed by police every year and 200 ish black people, there is a higher percentage of unarmed white people dying versus unarmed black people.

There is no epidemic of fatal police shootings against unarmed Black Americans

Ideally officers would never need to take anyone's life. But the data on police killings doesn't support reducing or abolishing law enforcement.

www.usatoday.com

Police Kill More Whites Than Blacks is True and it Isn’t

Men lie, women lie and they both use numbers when it favors them.

medium.com

Why is propaganda like the OP allowed to be gaslighted around here?

Propaganda, you mean like the opinion pieces you always seem to post?

You should wine a little more.

 

[HumblePie]

Propaganda, you mean like the opinion pieces you always seem to post?

You should wine a little more.

So those pieces are not presenting fact and links to hard data before presenting their opinions (aka conclusions) on that data? Do say....

When you can't refute the facts you just dismiss as "opinion" instead. Nice counter argument. Not.

You also seem to fail to understand why stories around data like that are by necessity always "opinion" pieces because to draw any conclusion, even if it is the right conclusion, is by default always an opinion. It is why the Theory of Gravity is still technically an opinion as well. It is the BEST opinion of the hard data we have, but if we find more data that refutes that opinion, then the opinion changes. Do you dispute how the scientific method works now?

There is a difference between the articles I posted and the propaganda OP post which is an inflammatory video with inflammatory statements and no hard data points of any sort.

 

[ch33zw1z]

A very fine person. Don't see the problem. /white nationalist.

 

[ivwshane]

So those pieces are not presenting fact and links to hard data before presenting their opinions on that data? Do say....

When you can't refute the facts you just dismiss as "opinion" instead. Nice counter argument. Not.

You also seem to fail to understand why stories around data like that are by necessity always "opinion" pieces because to draw any conclusion, even if it is the right conclusion, is by default always an opinion.

There is a difference between the articles I posted and the propaganda OP post which is an inflammatory video with inflammatory statements and no hard data points of any sort.

Had you bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research about the opinion pieces you linked to you’d see that they are indeed propaganda. The fact that you think it is necessary to have opinions in order to draw a conclusion from data shows how easily manipulated you are.

 

[HumblePie]

Had you bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research about the opinion pieces you linked to you’d see that they are indeed propaganda. The fact that you think it is necessary to have opinions in order to draw a conclusion from data shows how easily manipulated you are.

You have yet to define how they are false and propaganda. Here are the hard numbers again posted in those articles and many others.

1) More white people are killed by police than black people every year.
2) More unarmed white people as a percentage are killed by police than black people.
3) Black people have a much higher interaction rate than white people with police. This goes from simple interactions to arrests over violent crimes.

With those as base hard data statistics the right conclusion, aka opinion, that can be drawn is that white people are more likely to be killed by police than black people. If you think that is propaganda then I all I can say is you are living in a delusional fantasy world. Unless you can prove either 1, 2, or 3 hard data points are wrong that is. Can you?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You have yet to define how they are false and propaganda. Here are the hard numbers again posted in those articles and many others.

1) More white people are killed by police than black people every year.
2) More unarmed white people as a percentage are killed by police than black people.
3) Black people have a much higher interaction rate than white people with police. This goes from simple interactions to arrests over violent crimes.

With those as base hard data statistics the right conclusion, aka opinion, that can be drawn is that white people are more likely to be killed by police than black people. If you think that is propaganda then I all I can say is you are living in a delusional fantasy world. Unless you can prove either 1, 2, or 3 hard data points are wrong that is. Can you?

Break those down by percentages please as in there are x black people shot by police divided by y total black population
Repeat for white people.
That is the point and claim, black people are shot or jailed or roughed up or stopped or just generally hassled by the Police at a much higher rate.

True life story. Two black guys who worked for me got stopped for basically turning at a no turn. Everyone did it and I’m not saying it didn’t deserve a traffic stop.
The cop was taking a crazy amount of time with their stuff. Happened right outside the office.
After give or take 45 minutes I went out and said to the cop can you speed this up I have others waiting to go to lunch. Cop looked at me like I was these guys master and said okay you guys can go.
God knows how long and how much searching thru their shit would have happened if massa didn’t go outside and speak to the cop.

 

[ivwshane]

A very fine person. Don't see the problem. /white nationalist.

What?!! How can you say that with irrefutable claims like; black people are policed more because that’s where the crime is? /s

Idiots like humblepie, who aren’t critical thinkers, lap that shit up. They are incapable of questioning opinions and looking at the actual data themselves.

A large-scale analysis of racial disparities in police stops across the United States - Nature Human Behaviour

Pierson et al. compiled and analysed a dataset detailing nearly 100 million traffic stops conducted across the United States, finding evidence of persistent racial bias against black and Hispanic drivers in police stops and search decisions.

www.nature.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/a-disproportionate-number-of-dc-police-stops-involved-african-americans/2019/09/09/6f11beb0-d347-11e9-9343-40db57cf6abd_story.html

LAPD searches blacks and Latinos more. But they’re less likely to have contraband than whites

An L.A. Times analysis found a black person was more than four times as likely to be searched by police as a white person, and a Latino was three times as likely.

www.latimes.com

http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/pio/document.cfm?id=334984

Carmel’s own data supports I-Team 8 investigation into police ticketing black drivers at higher rate

CARMEL, Ind. (WISH) — Data obtained by I-Team 8 revealed racial inequities in the tickets Carmel police give out. The investigation showed Carmel police ticket black drivers at a higher rate than white drivers and a higher rate than black drivers in other cities. Weeks after the story aired...

www.wishtv.com

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2020-01-02/report-california-cops-more-likely-to-stop-black-drivers

 

[ivwshane]

Break those down by percentages please as in there are x black people shot by police divided by y total black population
Repeat for white people.
That is the point and claim, black people are shot or jailed or roughed up or stopped or just generally hassled by the Police at a much higher rate.

True life story. Two black guys who worked for me got stopped for basically turning at a no turn. Everyone did it and I’m not saying it didn’t deserve a traffic stop.
The cop was taking a crazy amount of time with their stuff. Happened right outside the office.
After give or take 45 minutes I went out and said to the cop can you speed this up I have others waiting to go to lunch. Cop looked at me like I was these guys master and said okay you guys can go.
God knows how long and how much searching thru their shit would have happened if massa didn’t go outside and speak to the cop.

Uncritical thinkers, like humblepie, don’t understand statistics, they appear to only understand less than/more than. So for him “per capita” is a term he is unfamiliar with and my guess is he wouldn’t get it even it was explained to him. He’s got that trump mental fitness where “we’ve done more tests than anybody” is more truthful and meaningful than using the number of tests
as a percentage of the total population.

 

[HumblePie]

Break those down by percentages please as in there are x black people shot by police divided by y total black population
Repeat for white people.
That is the point and claim, black people are shot or jailed or roughed up or stopped or just generally hassled by the Police at a much higher rate.

True life story. Two black guys who worked for me got stopped for basically turning at a no turn. Everyone did it and I’m not saying it didn’t deserve a traffic stop.
The cop was taking a crazy amount of time with their stuff. Happened right outside the office.
After give or take 45 minutes I went out and said to the cop can you speed this up I have others waiting to go to lunch. Cop looked at me like I was these guys master and said okay you guys can go.
God knows how long and how much searching thru their shit would have happened if massa didn’t go outside and speak to the cop.

Break down by population is meaningless.

A population of 1B that has zero interactions with police is not going to have any of said zero interactions result in police fatalities. It is a useless comparison to make. A school doesn't determine how many supplies to order for a school year based on the population of the US. Sure you can make a strange statistical graph with that number set, but it would be meaningless. Same goes for police fatalities by pure population sizes.

That makes the only meaningful number to cross compare against raw police fatality numbers is number of interactions based on demographics.

Sometimes per capita comparison on whole populations are very valid statistics to use, and other times they are not. Unless you can prove why a per capita serves a purpose? That could only be useful that I could think of is whites and blacks committed crimes at the same rate. They don't.

 

[HumblePie]

Uncritical thinkers, like humblepie, don’t understand statistics, they appear to only understand less than/more than. So for him “per capita” is a term he is unfamiliar with and my guess is he wouldn’t get it even it was explained to him. He’s got that trump mental fitness where “we’ve done more tests than anybody” is more truthful and meaningful than using the number of tests
as a percentage of the total population.

Per capita isn't something to be used everywhere for statistics. If you knew statistics you would know this. Using per capita for determining police fatalities during police interactions over criminal conduct is stupid unless all groups involved are committing crimes at the same rates. Newsflash, the aren't. Per capita is worthless to use here.

 

[ivwshane]

Break down by population is meaningless.

A population of 1B that has zero interactions with police is not going to have any of said zero interactions result in police fatalities. It is a useless comparison to make. A school doesn't determine how many supplies to order for a school year based on the population of the US. Sure you can make a strange statistical graph with that number set, but it would be meaningless. Same goes for police fatalities by pure population sizes.

That makes the only meaningful number to cross compare against raw police fatality numbers is number of interactions based on demographics.

Sometimes per capita comparison on whole populations are very valid statistics to use, and other times they are not. Unless you can prove why a per capita serves a purpose? That could only be useful that I could think of is whites and blacks committed crimes at the same rate. They don't.

Lol! Case and point guys, case and point!!!

 

[hal2kilo]

Uncritical thinkers, like humblepie, don’t understand statistics, they appear to only understand less than/more than. So for him “per capita” is a term he is unfamiliar with and my guess is he wouldn’t get it even it was explained to him. He’s got that trump mental fitness where “we’ve done more tests than anybody” is more truthful and meaningful than using the number of tests
as a percentage of the total population.

It's funny they know their math when it comes to balancing a checkbook (purposely did not say investing), but all that math knowledge gets wasted I guess beyond balancing a checkbook (conservatives idea about government budgets).

 

[ivwshane]

Per capita isn't something to be used everywhere for statistics. If you knew statistics you would know this. Using per capita for determining police fatalities during police interactions over criminal conduct is stupid unless all groups involved are committing crimes at the same rates. Newsflash, the aren't. Per capita is worthless to use here.

Well shit!! Lucky for you we have that information! Hell I even posted a few links for you. Why don’t you spend some time educating your dumb ass before making a bigger fool of yourself?

 

[ivwshane]

It's funny they know their math when it comes to balancing a checkbook (purposely did not say investing), but all that math knowledge gets wasted I guess beyond balancing a checkbook (conservatives idea about government budgets).

I think it’s pretty clear they don’t know how to balance a checkbook, I mean come on...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Break down by population is meaningless.

A population of 1B that has zero interactions with police is not going to have any of said zero interactions result in police fatalities. It is a useless comparison to make. A school doesn't determine how many supplies to order for a school year based on the population of the US. Sure you can make a strange statistical graph with that number set, but it would be meaningless. Same goes for police fatalities by pure population sizes.

That makes the only meaningful number to cross compare against raw police fatality numbers is number of interactions based on demographics.

Sometimes per capita comparison on whole populations are very valid statistics to use, and other times they are not. Unless you can prove why a per capita serves a purpose? That could only be useful that I could think of is whites and blacks committed crimes at the same rate. They don't.

one billion with zero interactions that lead to death would mean there were no deaths. That would be an incredibly valid point in the context of this discussion.
I agree breaking it down to a super small group like American Indian with gigantism and MS Police deaths per capita is way too small to draw any conclusions from and the two conditions don’t imply anything meaningful with regards to the discussion.

 

[HumblePie]

Well shit!! Lucky for you we have that information! Hell I even posted a few links for you. Why don’t you spend some time educating your dumb ass before making a bigger fool of yourself?

Your links are irrelevant facts to the 3 data sets and points I make.

The fact that LA police interact with blacks more than whites when searching for drugs doesn't change the fact that blacks have more interactions with police. I am not discussing the underlying issue of the reasons for the extra police interactions when I made my previous point. I only stated that blacks have more interactions and your owns posts prove that. Everything else you state is basically a non-sequitur. Nice logic fallacies.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol

So only your points are valid and the points I made that invalidated your points are invalidated because they don’t support your claim. Got it, you a moron. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[HumblePie]

one billion with zero interactions that lead to death would mean there were no deaths. That would be an incredibly valid point in the context of this discussion.

No it isn't. Unless your statistics are cross comparing why one population has more or less interactions with police. That is a completely different discussion and set of statistics. The argument of which population is more likely than another to be killed by police during police interactions is literally defined by that statement. Deaths during interactions is not deaths per capita. Deaths per capita is a statistic, but doesn't have a valid use case for anything. It is such a generalized statistic that has no value since it is too high level to be of any use except for political points.

 

[HumblePie]

Lol

So only your points are valid and the points I made that invalidated your points are invalidated because they don’t support your claim. Got it, you a moron. Thanks for clearing that up.

And the insults come out still. Police deaths per capita has no valid statistical use except in political football. It doesn't prove anything, nor help resolve anything. Deaths per interactions does. Your inability to understand this concept is proof of your mind being easily manipulated by politics.