Could a black person get away with this?

[Fanatical Meat]

No it isn't. Unless your statistics are cross comparing why one population has more or less interactions with police. That is a completely different discussion and set of statistics. The argument of which population is more likely than another to be killed by police during police interactions is literally defined by that statement. Deaths during interactions is not deaths per capita. Deaths per capita is a statistic, but doesn't have a valid use case for anything. It is such a generalized statistic that has no value since it is too high level to be of any use except for political points.

That’s the whole damn point. Why are there so many police interactions with black people, why do these interactions have a much higher rate of negative consequences, why do young black men go to jail for drug possession at a much higher percentage than young white men who are charged with the same damn crime.
Why is there a video of a cop kneeling on a handcuffed behind the back black and is face down on the ground neck while other officers watched and did nothing of substance to prevent it.
Obviously there is something wrong with that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

WTF? Why are threads with race baiting crap like this allowed here to spread false lies and innuendo?

Black people have FAR more police arrests and interactions across the country. They have far less deaths or injuries as a result of those interactions that white people. The data from the DoJ and all other sources for years all back this up. So the answer to the OP is no. A black person is actually less likely in that scenario in the video to be shot and killed than a white person. Also, cops rarely kill unarmed people period. On average it is between 9-10 unarmed black people die per year. It is closer 40. Considering that there is around 450 white people killed by police every year and 200 ish black people, there is a higher percentage of unarmed white people dying versus unarmed black people.

There is no epidemic of fatal police shootings against unarmed Black Americans

Ideally officers would never need to take anyone's life. But the data on police killings doesn't support reducing or abolishing law enforcement.

www.usatoday.com

Police Kill More Whites Than Blacks is True and it Isn’t

Men lie, women lie and they both use numbers when it favors them.

medium.com

Why is propaganda like the OP allowed to be gaslighted around here?

why do you hate Black people??
You realize what you just said is like Trump if we didn`t test for Covid19 the cases of Covid19 would be much lower!!
YES!! There is something wrong when the Police approach Black people for more dispropotionately than they approach white people!

1) More white people are killed by police than black people every year. -Percentage wise NOT TRUE!!!!
2) More unarmed white people as a percentage are killed by police than black people.-- percentage wise NOT TRUE!!
3) Black people have a much higher interaction rate than white people with police. This goes from simple interactions to arrests over violent crimes. ---- percentage wise it is disgusting the way Black people are singled out!!

Humble Pie didn`t even read gthe links he posted -- this littlke bit is taken from one of his links --
Problem 1: The US population
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the recorded US population in 2019 was 328.2 million and they’ve also stated that white people make up 60.4% while African Americans represent only 13.4%. Here’s the problem…
You can make the case that African Americans would be leading in police deaths if their population size is half of White Americans. The 2019 stats would look like this:

• White Americans killed by police shooting: 370 (60.4% of US population)
• Black Americans killed by police shooting: 530 (30.2% of US population)

Another statistical response is the percentage of races killed by police shootings based on their population size — the average deaths by police shooting from 2017–2020 divided by the race population size shows a higher percentage for black people. Here’s the results:
White Americans

• Population: 198,232,800
• Avg. killed by police: 349.5
• Percentage: 0.00017631%

Black Americans

• Population: 43,978,800
• Avg. killed by police: 188.75
• Percentage: 0.00042918%

Based on this, African Americans are 2.4x more likely to be killed by police than their white brothers and sisters.


Again HumblePie is lying!! Which is what he does a lot on these forums!!

 

[darkswordsman17]

Propaganda, you mean like the opinion pieces you always seem to post?

You should wine a little more.

I'd guess he should wine less. He's either constantly too drunk to understand anything or he's one of the dumbest clownfucking morons I've ever encountered. Can't wait for him to trot out his "I'm the most persecuted person ever, no one has ever experience worse racism than me!" lies, since he's clearly so triggered he's about to have yet another meltclown.

Personally I wish he'd whine less too. Surprised he hasn't threatened to sue AT for mental anguish yet.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'd guess he should wine less. He's either constantly too drunk to understand anything or he's one of the dumbest clownfucking morons I've ever encountered. Can't wait for him to trot out his "I'm the most persecuted person ever, no one has ever experience worse racism than me!" lies, since he's clearly so triggered he's about to have yet another meltclown.

Personally I wish he'd whine less too. Surprised he hasn't threatened to sue AT for mental anguish yet.

Yes, the "you guys are so mean" while hurling personal insults on a regular basis is great. Him defending www.amren.com as some bastion of unbiased information is pretty good too.

 

[JEDIYoda]

WTF? Why are threads with race baiting crap like this allowed here to spread false lies and innuendo?

Black people have FAR more police arrests and interactions across the country. They have far less deaths or injuries as a result of those interactions that white people. The data from the DoJ and all other sources for years all back this up. So the answer to the OP is no. A black person is actually less likely in that scenario in the video to be shot and killed than a white person. Also, cops rarely kill unarmed people period. On average it is between 9-10 unarmed black people die per year. It is closer 40. Considering that there is around 450 white people killed by police every year and 200 ish black people, there is a higher percentage of unarmed white people dying versus unarmed black people.

There is no epidemic of fatal police shootings against unarmed Black Americans

Ideally officers would never need to take anyone's life. But the data on police killings doesn't support reducing or abolishing law enforcement.

www.usatoday.com

Police Kill More Whites Than Blacks is True and it Isn’t

Men lie, women lie and they both use numbers when it favors them.

medium.com

Why is propaganda like the OP allowed to be gaslighted around here?

WTF? Why is HumblePie allowed to post bull shit opinion threads on these forums??

 

[HumblePie]

That’s the whole damn point. Why are there so many police interactions with black people, why do these interactions have a much higher rate of negative consequences, why do young black men go to jail for drug possession at a much higher percentage than young white men who are charged with the same damn crime.

Well that is a different discussion and one I'd be happy to weigh in on. The point I was making earlier is that the raw numbers don't support at all the OP's statements and propaganda accusations. Not in the least. He wants to use a random anecdote video and then extrapolate that to get his narrative across. When called out on it, many around here will hard defend the practice and call you a white supremacist for good measure.

As for why blacks have higher interactions with police, that is a lot more to unpack. Young black males between the ages of 12 and 35 commit a large portion of the violent crimes in this country. I am talking aggravated assault, rape, and murder. Most of that is in very small areas. When looking at police killings of blacks, the vast majority of them are when a black person is armed and have committed a violent crime in those areas. While there are some that happen outside those parameters, it is very very very rare. So even though blacks are still having more interactions with police outside violent criminal investigations, they are even less likely than whites in those same non violent criminal interactions to be killed by police.

As for why young black males are disproportionately involved in violent crimes compared to any other demographic, there is a lot to unpack there. Of note though, those numbers are not a US only number. It is practically a universal number in every country. Young black males from North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Asia, and Australia are disproportionately represented in violent crime statistics. There are different factors for every country as to why that may be. I can make my opinions on the US problem though being one of infiltration of marxism, hand outs, proselytizing of criminal behavior, and fatherless homes. There are strong correlations for all those points with increased violence. There is no exact causation here, and anyone trying to tell you there is has a political football point to make.

Why is there a video of a cop kneeling on a handcuffed behind the back black and is face down on the ground neck while other officers watched and did nothing of substance to prevent it.
Obviously there is something wrong with that.

Another too much to unpack here without knowing what you have researched or not on that scenario. You have seen the recent developments of that case with the released body cam footage correct? If not, I suggest you do so.

 

[HumblePie]

why do you hate Black people??
You realize what you just said is like Trump if we didn`t test for Covid19 the cases of Covid19 would be much lower!!
YES!! There is something wrong when the Police approach Black people for more dispropotionately than they approach white people!

1) More white people are killed by police than black people every year. -Percentage wise NOT TRUE!!!!
2) More unarmed white people as a percentage are killed by police than black people.-- percentage wise NOT TRUE!!
3) Black people have a much higher interaction rate than white people with police. This goes from simple interactions to arrests over violent crimes. ---- percentage wise it is disgusting the way Black people are singled out!!

Humble Pie didn`t even read gthe links he posted -- this littlke bit is taken from one of his links --
Problem 1: The US population
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the recorded US population in 2019 was 328.2 million and they’ve also stated that white people make up 60.4% while African Americans represent only 13.4%. Here’s the problem…
You can make the case that African Americans would be leading in police deaths if their population size is half of White Americans. The 2019 stats would look like this:

• White Americans killed by police shooting: 370 (60.4% of US population)
• Black Americans killed by police shooting: 530 (30.2% of US population)

Another statistical response is the percentage of races killed by police shootings based on their population size — the average deaths by police shooting from 2017–2020 divided by the race population size shows a higher percentage for black people. Here’s the results:
White Americans

• Population: 198,232,800
• Avg. killed by police: 349.5
• Percentage: 0.00017631%

Black Americans

• Population: 43,978,800
• Avg. killed by police: 188.75
• Percentage: 0.00042918%

Based on this, African Americans are 2.4x more likely to be killed by police than their white brothers and sisters.


Again HumblePie is lying!! Which is what he does a lot on these forums!!

Your posts and points are completely irrelevant. Per capita comparison of police deaths is meaningless. Plain and simple. It is a racist and political way to make a point on this discussion. The fact you don't like facts and proper data analysis doesn't make me a liar. Certainly makes you something though.

 

[zinfamous]

WTF? Why are threads with race baiting crap like this allowed here to spread false lies and innuendo?

Not what this thread is, but because you say ridiculous things like this, and you and those like you are still allowed to post here, is exactly why these threads exist.

You are the problem.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well that is a different discussion and one I'd be happy to weigh in on. The point I was making earlier is that the raw numbers don't support at all the OP's statements and propaganda accusations. Not in the least. He wants to use a random anecdote video and then extrapolate that to get his narrative across. When called out on it, many around here will hard defend the practice and call you a white supremacist for good measure.

As for why blacks have higher interactions with police, that is a lot more to unpack. Young black males between the ages of 12 and 35 commit a large portion of the violent crimes in this country. I am talking aggravated assault, rape, and murder. Most of that is in very small areas. When looking at police killings of blacks, the vast majority of them are when a black person is armed and have committed a violent crime in those areas. While there are some that happen outside those parameters, it is very very very rare. So even though blacks are still having more interactions with police outside violent criminal investigations, they are even less likely than whites in those same non violent criminal interactions to be killed by police.

As for why young black males are disproportionately involved in violent crimes compared to any other demographic, there is a lot to unpack there. Of note though, those numbers are not a US only number. It is practically a universal number in every country. Young black males from North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Asia, and Australia are disproportionately represented in violent crime statistics. There are different factors for every country as to why that may be. I can make my opinions on the US problem though being one of infiltration of marxism, hand outs, proselytizing of criminal behavior, and fatherless homes. There are strong correlations for all those points with increased violence. There is no exact causation here, and anyone trying to tell you there is has a political football point to make.



Another too much to unpact here. You have seen the recent developments of that case with the released body cam footage correct? If not, I suggest you do so.

I also suggest you take off your white pointy hat.......even your own opinion pieced that you posted debunked what you cl;aim the raw numbers state!
I suggest you take another look at the released video.....nothing changed!!
Sure some of the officers who did not directly have their knee on the neck might get off, but the one guy had no justification for killing that black man with his knee!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Your posts and points are completely irrelevant. Per capita comparison of police deaths is meaningless. Plain and simple. It is a racist and political way to make a point on this discussion. The fact you don't like facts and proper data analysis doesn't make me a liar. Certainly makes you something though.

I don`t like your mis-construed facts...even your own opinion article debunked your argument!!

 

[HumblePie]

I don`t like your mis-construed facts...even your own opinion article debunked your argument!!

You making a statement my article debunked me doesn't make it so. Your mental cognitive dissonance is astounding though. Unless you are being paid to spread lies and smears, I can't understand how you function in life as a person. Goes for a lot of posters here. At least Fanatical Meat is trying to be civil and explore discussions unlike your ass-hatery.

 

[HomerJS]

Just a general question and try to be honest. Could Barack Obama have been elected behaving like Trump?

If this country is so fucking equal the answer would be yes but we all know the answer...

NO WAY IN HELL.

In fact Obama had to work at not being labeled the angry black man

 

[Fenixgoon]

Just a general question and try to be honest. Could Barack Obama have been elected behaving like Trump?

If this country is so fucking equal the answer would be yes but we all know the answer...

NO WAY IN HELL.

In fact Obama had to work at not being labeled the angry black man

Or had he been elected, would he have been impeached and removed from office for doing the same as Trump? The answer of course is hell yes. He'd have been out in a heartbeat.

 

[soulcougher73]

WTF? Why are threads with race baiting crap like this allowed here to spread false lies and innuendo?

Black people have FAR more police arrests and interactions across the country. They have far less deaths or injuries as a result of those interactions that white people. The data from the DoJ and all other sources for years all back this up. So the answer to the OP is no. A black person is actually less likely in that scenario in the video to be shot and killed than a white person. Also, cops rarely kill unarmed people period. On average it is between 9-10 unarmed black people die per year. It is closer 40. Considering that there is around 450 white people killed by police every year and 200 ish black people, there is a higher percentage of unarmed white people dying versus unarmed black people.

There is no epidemic of fatal police shootings against unarmed Black Americans

Ideally officers would never need to take anyone's life. But the data on police killings doesn't support reducing or abolishing law enforcement.

www.usatoday.com

Police Kill More Whites Than Blacks is True and it Isn’t

Men lie, women lie and they both use numbers when it favors them.

medium.com

Why is propaganda like the OP allowed to be gaslighted around here?

You so dumb.

U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts: United States

Frequently requested statistics for: United States

www.census.gov

Population of US: 328,239,523
White population: 76.3%, which is 250,446,756 whites
Black population: 13.4%, which is 43,984,096 blacks

According to you, 450 unarmed white people are killed a year, which is 0.00018% of the white population.
According to you, 200 unarmed black people are killed a year, which is 0.00045% of the black population.

Their is a much larger percentage of black people being killed per year. 2.66 times more than the white population to be accurate.

Why are idiots like this allowed to post around here?

 

[soulcougher73]

why do you hate Black people??
You realize what you just said is like Trump if we didn`t test for Covid19 the cases of Covid19 would be much lower!!
YES!! There is something wrong when the Police approach Black people for more dispropotionately than they approach white people!

1) More white people are killed by police than black people every year. -Percentage wise NOT TRUE!!!!
2) More unarmed white people as a percentage are killed by police than black people.-- percentage wise NOT TRUE!!
3) Black people have a much higher interaction rate than white people with police. This goes from simple interactions to arrests over violent crimes. ---- percentage wise it is disgusting the way Black people are singled out!!

Humble Pie didn`t even read gthe links he posted -- this littlke bit is taken from one of his links --
Problem 1: The US population
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the recorded US population in 2019 was 328.2 million and they’ve also stated that white people make up 60.4% while African Americans represent only 13.4%. Here’s the problem…
You can make the case that African Americans would be leading in police deaths if their population size is half of White Americans. The 2019 stats would look like this:

• White Americans killed by police shooting: 370 (60.4% of US population)
• Black Americans killed by police shooting: 530 (30.2% of US population)

Another statistical response is the percentage of races killed by police shootings based on their population size — the average deaths by police shooting from 2017–2020 divided by the race population size shows a higher percentage for black people. Here’s the results:
White Americans

• Population: 198,232,800
• Avg. killed by police: 349.5
• Percentage: 0.00017631%

Black Americans

• Population: 43,978,800
• Avg. killed by police: 188.75
• Percentage: 0.00042918%

Based on this, African Americans are 2.4x more likely to be killed by police than their white brothers and sisters.


Again HumblePie is lying!! Which is what he does a lot on these forums!!

I guess i should have read the whole thread first. You beat me to the punch. Oh well, we can rub it in his face twice. It's fun.

 

[cytg111]

Break down by population is meaningless.

A population of 1B that has zero interactions with police is not going to have any of said zero interactions result in police fatalities. It is a useless comparison to make. A school doesn't determine how many supplies to order for a school year based on the population of the US. Sure you can make a strange statistical graph with that number set, but it would be meaningless. Same goes for police fatalities by pure population sizes.

That makes the only meaningful number to cross compare against raw police fatality numbers is number of interactions based on demographics.

Sometimes per capita comparison on whole populations are very valid statistics to use, and other times they are not. Unless you can prove why a per capita serves a purpose? That could only be useful that I could think of is whites and blacks committed crimes at the same rate. They don't.

Are you super high when typing this shit out? This is indeed Trumpian logic. Just be thankful your car is not build on Trumpian logic.

 

[JEDIYoda]

You making a statement my article debunked me doesn't make it so. Your mental cognitive dissonance is astounding though. Unless you are being paid to spread lies and smears, I can't understand how you function in life as a person. Goes for a lot of posters here. At least Fanatical Meat is trying to be civil and explore discussions unlike your ass-hatery.

actually I make the statement because I posted where it debunks your racist KKK white supremacist opinion@!
I thought I would be nice and label you the way you like to be labeled!

 

[HumblePie]

You so dumb.

U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts: United States

Frequently requested statistics for: United States

www.census.gov

Population of US: 328,239,523
White population: 76.3%, which is 250,446,756 whites
Black population: 13.4%, which is 43,984,096 blacks

According to you, 450 unarmed white people are killed a year, which is 0.00018% of the white population.
According to you, 200 unarmed black people are killed a year, which is 0.00045% of the black population.

Their is a much larger percentage of black people being killed per year. 2.66 times more than the white population to be accurate.

Why are idiots like this allowed to post around here?

You are so dumb. Per Capita doesnt' matter because populations don't interact with the police at the same rates. If they did then it would matter.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399.pdf

The Real Numbers Of “Police Brutality” in America That You Need To See

The media tells you one thing... but the real numbers tell you something entirely different about police brutality in America. You decide.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

Using that number over and over proves how dumb you and everyone else in these forums that use those numbers are.


Want to know where per capita deaths have some use even if very little? That would be like cross comparing various country deaths by police as a whole.

American police kill civilians at a shocking rate compared to other developed countries

It’s official: 25-year-old Freddie Gray’s death was a homicide, according to Baltimore State Attorney Marilyn Mosby. Criminal charges will now be brought against the six police office…

www.dailynews.com

Doesn't explain anything really. America has a 2nd amendment and both the police and criminals tend to be armed with firearms. Places like England the police and criminals dont tend to be armed with firearms. There are plenty of other reasons besides that though. Still, that would an example of a valid use case of a per capita comparison. The fact you aren't able to comprehend this is your cognitive dissonance.

 

[hal2kilo]

You are so dumb. Per Capita doesnt' matter because populations don't interact with the police at the same rates. If they did then it would matter.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399.pdf

The Real Numbers Of “Police Brutality” in America That You Need To See

The media tells you one thing... but the real numbers tell you something entirely different about police brutality in America. You decide.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

Using that number over and over proves how dumb you and everyone else in these forums that use those numbers are.

From a completely objective source, law enforcement today. Yea, fur sure.

 

[HumblePie]

From a completely objective source, law enforcement today. Yea, fur sure.

And the PHS papers, and tons of other sources out there. But yah, that article from that source is linking the data sets used. Go ahead and dislike the messenger but the data sets are still there like it or not.

 

[brycejones]

Break down by population is meaningless.

A population of 1B that has zero interactions with police is not going to have any of said zero interactions result in police fatalities. It is a useless comparison to make. A school doesn't determine how many supplies to order for a school year based on the population of the US. Sure you can make a strange statistical graph with that number set, but it would be meaningless. Same goes for police fatalities by pure population sizes.

That makes the only meaningful number to cross compare against raw police fatality numbers is number of interactions based on demographics.

Sometimes per capita comparison on whole populations are very valid statistics to use, and other times they are not. Unless you can prove why a per capita serves a purpose? That could only be useful that I could think of is whites and blacks committed crimes at the same rate. They don't.

I see your problem. You can cure yourself of willful ignorance but it will require commitment. Step one: Admit you are the fucking problem not observable reality.

 

[ivwshane]

And the PHS papers, and tons of other sources out there. But yah, that article from that source is linking the data sets used. Go ahead and dislike the messenger but the data sets are still there like it or not.

Yeah sources were provided to you that completely debunks your claims, you didn’t bother reading them because you really aren’t interested in a useful discussion. It’s why your threads have to get edited by the mods, they are meant to inflame and troll.

You play the white victim card well.

 

[HumblePie]

I see your problem. You can cure yourself of willful ignorance but it will require commitment. Step one: Admit you are the fucking problem not observable reality.

You are the problem if you can use logic properly.

What does the data set of police killings per demographic population show? This is a basic question you ask of any data source. What does it mean? How can it be used? Why does that data end up that way?

The per capita numbers don't show anything at all without more detailed analysis. That being, if blacks are at a higher rate per capita, what is causing that to happen? How does that happen? When does it occur? Why does it occur? Do we have data sets that help answer those questions? What are the scenarios that cause it to occur and is there scenarios that don't? That is the basics of statistical analysis.

Police killings of civilians can only occur when there are police interactions with civilians. That is a fact. It is prima fascia in nature. Which leads to the next question, does one demographic have more encounters with police than another. Ding Ding Ding!!! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!! We have a correct leading question after looking at per capita. When cross referencing encounter rates per demographic to police shootings, there is a completely different percentile representation. That is one that ends up being far more useful in drilling down to even more statistical data. The fact that you and many posters in this forum can't figure this simple shit out and literally mind boggling.

Now using deaths per interaction rate, we can ask more leading questions to uncover potential statistical correlations. Such as why are white people killed more often than black people based on encounter rate? Why are unarmed white people killed more often, and also receive police brutality as a whole more often? Why do black people have a higher criminal interaction rate? Why are black officers more likely to kill black civilians in encounters than white officers? The questions lead to more data, more answers, and more questions. At least it is going somewhere. Stopping with per capita and calling it done and racism is fucking being a mental retard.

 

[HumblePie]

Yeah sources were provided to you that completely debunks your claims, you didn’t bother reading them because you really aren’t interested in a useful discussion. It’s why your threads have to get edited by the mods, they are meant to inflame and troll.

You play the white victim card well.

Zero sources have debunked anything I stated. What debunks that deaths per encounter rate is not the better statistic than deaths per capita? Nothing you or anyone else here has provided has shown that. Grow up.

 

[brycejones]

You are the problem if you can use logic properly.

What does the data set of police killings per demographic population show? This is a basic question you ask of any data source. What does it mean? How can it be used? Why does that data end up that way?

The per capita numbers don't show anything at all without more detailed analysis. That being, if blacks are at a higher rate per capita, what is causing that to happen? How does that happen? When does it occur? Why does it occur? Do we have data sets that help answer those questions? What are the scenarios that cause it to occur and is there scenarios that don't? That is the basics of statistical analysis.

Police killings of civilians can only occur when there are police interactions with civilians. That is a fact. It is prima fascia in nature. Which leads to the next question, does one demographic have more encounters with police than another. Ding Ding Ding!!! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!! We have a correct leading question after looking at per capita. When cross referencing encounter rates per demographic to police shootings, there is a completely different percentile representation. That is one that ends up being far more useful in drilling down to even more statistical data. The fact that you and many posters in this forum can't figure this simple shit out and literally mind boggling.

Now using deaths per interaction rate, we can ask more leading questions to uncover potential statistical correlations. Such as why are white people killed more often than black people based on encounter rate? Why are unarmed white people killed more often, and also receive police brutality as a whole more often? Why do black people have a higher criminal interaction rate? Why are black officers more likely to kill black civilians in encounters than white officers? The questions lead to more data, more answers, and more questions. At least it is going somewhere. Stopping with per capita and calling it done and racism is fucking being a mental retard.

Thank you proving my point.