Corporations Causing Slow US Growth

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/business/for-companies-the-good-old-days-are-now.html

Corporate profits after taxes were estimated to be $1.56 trillion, at an annual rate, during the quarter, or 10.3 percent of the size of the economy, up from 10.1 percent in the second quarter. Until 2010, the government had never reported even a single quarter in which the corporate share was as high as 9 percent, as can be seen in the accompanying charts.

So corporate profits are the highest as percentage of GDP of all time.

Wage and salary income was only 43.7 percent of G.D.P., the lowest number for any period going back to 1929. That figure first fell below 45 percent in 2009.

And wages being paid by these corporations is at a record low of all time


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/05/260535/graph-corporate-tax-second-lowest/

Because they are getting killed with the second lowest taxes in the developed world

In the quarter, corporate taxes amounted to 21 percent of corporate profits, a figure that is lower than in all but two previous periods, the first two quarters of 2009, during the recent recession.

During the half-century from 1960 through 2010, corporate taxes averaged almost 34 percent of net income, so the current figure is about a third lower than average.

And Obama's socialist high taxes that are 21% of profits.

So...We just need to make sure we cut that tax rate 20% across the board as Romney suggests, increase defense spending, and cut the rest of the discretionary budget, and everything will be roses right?

If the corporations were paying higher wages, or if they were FORCED to pay higher wages through a minimum wage increase, it would act as a massive stimulus package.
 
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SagaLore

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If the corporations were paying higher wages, or if they were FORCED to pay higher wages through a minimum wage increase, it would act as a massive stimulus package.

Temporarily, but then value of the dollar would decrease to absorb that min increase, while further lowering the relative income of the middle class.

You can't fix this by forcing the lowest paid to get paid more. Somehow you have to get the median and a large range around that to get paid more.
 

nehalem256

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If the corporations were paying higher wages, or if they were FORCED to pay higher wages through a minimum wage increase, it would act as a massive stimulus package.

1.) This would seem to only help those making at or near minimum wage
2.) And what is the appropriate minimum wage?
 

EagleKeeper

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The bulk of the corporations are not using minimum wage labor.
 

bfdd

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Well considering the private sector is the only thing that actually creates wealth, what else could create growth? The Government? Yeah by artificially pumping the private sector up. Neat how that works. lols. What needs to be done is simpler tax code with no deductions or exemptions. Everyone pays the same rate from top to bottom.
 
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Just end the corporate tax, corporations dont pay taxes, the employees, shareholders and customers pay the taxes. The only reason for the taxes are for social programs which cause more problems
 

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If the corporations were paying higher wages, or if they were FORCED to pay higher wages through a minimum wage increase, it would act as a massive stimulus package.

Wasn't this the mantra of the last minimum wage increase? And what did it get you?
 

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i dont think the tax code will be overhauled anytime soon, and if it is im sure itll be a bullshit overhaul. but i would like to see the federal income tax abolished in favor of a federal sales tax on all non-food items. that way, anyone who buys something is paying taxes. even people who dont file tax forms will be paying taxes.
 

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Big/Large corporations absolutely LOVE obama and his liberal friends in Congress. If it wasn't for Fools like obama these Corporation would be making way less profits and have to endure more competition.

Big business loves obama and the liberals. Especially all the new laws and regulations......which quit nicely kills off most competition.
 

thraashman

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/business/for-companies-the-good-old-days-are-now.html

Corporate profits after taxes were estimated to be $1.56 trillion, at an annual rate, during the quarter, or 10.3 percent of the size of the economy, up from 10.1 percent in the second quarter. Until 2010, the government had never reported even a single quarter in which the corporate share was as high as 9 percent, as can be seen in the accompanying charts.

So corporate profits are the highest as percentage of GDP of all time.

Wage and salary income was only 43.7 percent of G.D.P., the lowest number for any period going back to 1929. That figure first fell below 45 percent in 2009.

And wages being paid by these corporations is at a record low of all time


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/05/260535/graph-corporate-tax-second-lowest/

Because they are getting killed with the second lowest taxes in the developed world

In the quarter, corporate taxes amounted to 21 percent of corporate profits, a figure that is lower than in all but two previous periods, the first two quarters of 2009, during the recent recession.

During the half-century from 1960 through 2010, corporate taxes averaged almost 34 percent of net income, so the current figure is about a third lower than average.

And Obama's socialist high taxes that are 21% of profits.

So...We just need to make sure we cut that tax rate 20% across the board as Romney suggests, increase defense spending, and cut the rest of the discretionary budget, and everything will be roses right?

If the corporations were paying higher wages, or if they were FORCED to pay higher wages through a minimum wage increase, it would act as a massive stimulus package.

If the GOP gets any more power this disparity will get worse and the GOP will rail about how awesome these "job creators" are as they slowly kill the US economy. I somewhat expect a Shadowrun universe where corporations are legally allowed to maintain standing armies and slowly own the US if the GOP has its way. I wonder how long before I live in "Georgia, brought to you by Coca Cola tm".
 

Atreus21

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Looking at the graphs:

1126-biz-CHARTSweb2.jpg


Many of these numbers appear to be results of long-term trends. Wages appear to have been falling since the 70's. Corporate profits appear to have been making a slow increase since the 80's. Corporate taxes appear to be making a slow downward trend since the 70's. And personal taxes have remained more or less constant over the time frame.

How exactly do you arrive at this being all the GOP's fault?
 

Matt1970

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Looking at the graphs:

1126-biz-CHARTSweb2.jpg


Many of these numbers appear to be results of long-term trends. Wages appear to have been falling since the 70's. Corporate profits appear to have been making a slow increase since the 80's. Corporate taxes appear to be making a slow downward trend since the 70's. And personal taxes have remained more or less constant over the time frame.

How exactly do you arrive at this being all the GOP's fault?

Oh damn, kinda busts holes in all the Liberals arguements. Plus the fact that the tax cuts they like to claim were for the rich were really across the board.

Funny how the numbers in the chart seem to start going down right around the time our country started getting flooded with Import products.
 

nehalem256

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Looking at the graphs:

1126-biz-CHARTSweb2.jpg


Many of these numbers appear to be results of long-term trends. Wages appear to have been falling since the 70's. Corporate profits appear to have been making a slow increase since the 80's. Corporate taxes appear to be making a slow downward trend since the 70's. And personal taxes have remained more or less constant over the time frame.

How exactly do you arrive at this being all the GOP's fault?

So you mean wages started falling around the time the labor force participation rate went up? It must be Republicans!!!!!!!!!
lfpr+2.jpg
 

dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by dmcowen674
May not be minimum wage but they have rolled back wages to 1990's levels.

More like late 60's early 70's levels in percentage.

OK, could be.

I was going by personal experience.

I am back to what I was making in 1994.

Sounds like even though I've dropped back quite a bit a lot of people are doing a lot worse.

Clearly only Romney can save us.
 

ElFenix

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So you mean wages started falling around the time the labor force participation rate went up? It must be Republicans!!!!!!!!!
lfpr+2.jpg

i've been saying (for years) that women joining the workforce is a major reason for a lot of long term economic trends. labor force increases faster than population results in lower average wages. larger percentage of 2 income households leads to rising real estate prices. the combination of 1 and 2 pushes even more single income households to become dual income households.
 

shira

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Well considering the private sector is the only thing that actually creates wealth, what else could create growth? The Government? Yeah by artificially pumping the private sector up. Neat how that works. lols. What needs to be done is simpler tax code with no deductions or exemptions. Everyone pays the same rate from top to bottom.

Why on earth would hiring at multi-billion-dollar-profit corporations get STRONGER if their deductions (for capital expenses, for salaries, for R&D costs, for overhead) were eliminated? Why would their hiring grow if some minimum-wage guy at McDonald's paid the same tax rate as Exxon-Mobile? Why would the complexity of the tax code affect Fortune 500 companies at all when they have teams of lawyers to help them find the juiciest write-offs and widest loopholes in the tax code?

I'm really curious: Where is the cause-and-effect chain of reasoning that gets you from your premise (no-deduction, flat rate taxes) to your conclusion (the U.S. economy is unleashed)?

Stop mouthing the ideology and actually SHOW us how you get from point A to point B?
 

Fern

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The thread title:

Corporations Causing Slow US Growth

Just wanted to point out that nothing in the OP's actual post supports the contention in his title.

Fern