Corona is not so good =(

[Coquito]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Yes, very dark to me means stouts. I know that there are dark colored brews which don't exhibit these flavor characteristics, but stouts all pretty much taste like burnt coffee to me.

Very dark also certainly includes Porters.
Though there are a lot of "very dark" looking beers that are not stouts or porters. For instance, Three Floyds Robert the Bruce (Scottish Ale), It's very dark, and yet it's super smooth and tastes nothing like a stout.

Also in that category is Old Chub, by Oskar Blues. It's in a can! Nice & rich, sweet, & creamy.
For something really dark you can try that doesn't fall in this category, & also widely available, Sam Adams Black Lager, which is a schwarzbier. It isn't as sweet as the Scottish styles, but imho, more balanced, & so much lighter in body.

Schwarzbier ("shvahrts-beer"), is simply German for black beer. It doesn?t mean that it?s necessarily heavy or light in body, although they tend to lean towards light. Unlike other dark beers, like porters or stouts, they are not overly bitter with burnt and roasted malt characteristics that the others tend to depend on. Instead, hops are used for a good portion of the bitterness. Very refreshing and soul lifting beers, they also make a great alternative for the Winter. Especially when you are looking for a lighter beer, but one with depth of colour and taste.

If you have a unique taste, you can probably find it in a beer. :beer:

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I love all the e-Brewmasters on ATOT.

I suppose you are a real brewer? Have you thought that maybe some of us actually are brewers? Maybe some of us have even studied brewing history, styles, and methods.

Indeed. Here's me turning barley (2 row) into wort http://johnmearns.com/albums/allgrainbrew/DSCN1336.sized.jpg

So that makes you ruler of the "i know which beer is the bestest and you have to listen to me" agency?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Life's too short to drink bad beer!
Go to some local brew pubs if any and sample their wares.
Go to a large liquor store and try some different brews.
Learning to drink good beer is like learning to drink good wine.
Unfortunately, beer in general has gained a low-class working man college kid reputation due to the marketing and poor brewing by companies such as Anheiser Busch, Adolph Coors, Miller, Stroh's, Pabst ad nauseum.
Brewing beer is a great hobby. If there are no local brew supply shops where you live, I can reccomend brewyourownbrew.com

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Xyclone
I like "light" beers, including Corona and Heineken. I've never got into ales and lagers ("dark beers"), even though my dad drinks Samuel Adams (only American beer he likes). Are "dark" beers any good?

I like Shiner Bock, its a fairly heavy beer. And very very tasty.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: her209
Everything else > American Beer

:roll:

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: her209
Everything else > American Beer

idiotic

link

Q: I am doing research into fermentation. Could you tell me the difference between European and American beer and the beer making process? Could you discuss the ingredients, manufacturing process and such? Also is there a web site or research site online, which could help me with this? Thanks for your help, Jim
A: The big differences between American Brewing and European brewing is our usage of rice and maize. All of the major brewers in the USA use one or the other to cut down the body of the beer and so that they can use cheap, high protein 6-row malted barley. European brewers use low protein, higher costing 2-row barley. The types of hops used in the continental lagers and American light lagers are usually the same varieties - all Noble hops. When you get into any of the beers that are not of the light lager variety all bets are off. Americans are no traditionalists some times and very traditional other times. Europeans make a few styles that aren't really made in America too like Berliner Weiss Beer or Sahti from Scandinavia. You could (and many have) written entire books discussing all of the likenesses and the differences between brewing in various places on this planet so I can't go too much into depth. The main difference is the source of fermentable sugars that I mentioned above. Good luck, BrewDude

Q: Could you please explain about the different types of malt. (Ex: 2 row and 6 row malts) Thanks
A: All barley stalks have 6 vertical rows of "flowers" on them. The 2-row or 6 row designation simply has to do with how many fertile "flower" rows a stalk of barley has. When only 2 are fertile then it will only grow 2 large rows of barley on opposite sites of the stalk. When 6 are fertile then all 6 will become barley kernels - more barley per acre but each kernel is smaller to fit in the same room as the 2 kernels on a 2-row variety. The larger kernel has less protein per lb. of kernels because the core is bigger and weighs more that a tiny kernel from the 6 row barley stalk. Lower protein levels is better for home brewers. With high protein levels there can be problems with haze. large brewing companies like A-B and Miller reduce the overall protein levels in their beers by using some rice or corn which have sugar but no protein and are cheap to buy. hope this helps, BrewDude

The American macrobrewers do suck (Budweiser, etc.), I will grant you that. But there are many damn good microbrewers in the US. Some of the best beer I've had has been American and some of the worst I've had has been European (Carsberg Elephant is disgusting, btw) so I wouldn't overgeneralize.

That being said; yeah, Corona is pretty bad. The only good Mexican beer I've tasted has been Casta Morena. I haven't tried Negra Modela, however.

too true. If you think American beer is represented by Budweiser, Miller, Pabst, or Shlitz...then you don't know sh1t about beer. Based on the number of quality brewers in this country, I'd have to say that overall American brewers outclass European brewers. There's a lot of great traditional beers to come out of Europe, no doubt...but in terms of creativity and variety, you can't beat the American microbreweries.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I love all the e-Brewmasters on ATOT.

I suppose you are a real brewer? Have you thought that maybe some of us actually are brewers? Maybe some of us have even studied brewing history, styles, and methods.

Indeed. Here's me turning barley (2 row) into wort http://johnmearns.com/albums/allgrainbrew/DSCN1336.sized.jpg

So that makes you ruler of the "i know which beer is the bestest and you have to listen to me" agency?

He's added more credibility than you have.

 

[Coquito]

Keep the cursing & name calling to yourselves. If someone is partial to a particular beer, then that is there preference. You can recommend another look into what they're drinking, & you should recommend something else to try, but no one should put themselves above anyone else, simply because they enjoy different beer. Just enjoy it. :beer::beer:

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I really only hate crappy mass-brewed beer (all AB and Miller products) and very dark beers (Guinness). And I hate them all because of taste. AB and Miller products just don't taste right to me.. maybe it's the amount of water or the crappy ingredients they use. Very dark beers taste like dirt or burnt coffee, neither of which are enjoyable. Give me a good medium colored microbrew.

Your tastebuds must be off. I enjoy all types of beer, but just becuase it's dark does not mean it tastes like dirt, or burnt coffee. I find Guiness, (the standard "drought" Guinness that we get in the US) to be extremely bland and tasteless. One of the worst dark beers that you can get, actually. A lot of Dark beers are very sweet--Sammy Smith Oatmeal Stout, along with other Oatmeal or Imperial Stouts as examples. A good dark beer (I guess you mean Stouts and Porters) often use higher-quality ingredients than the average light-to-medium colored beer that you seem to prefer.

 

[meltdown75]

The beer snob is strong in this one.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I really only hate crappy mass-brewed beer (all AB and Miller products) and very dark beers (Guinness). And I hate them all because of taste. AB and Miller products just don't taste right to me.. maybe it's the amount of water or the crappy ingredients they use. Very dark beers taste like dirt or burnt coffee, neither of which are enjoyable. Give me a good medium colored microbrew.

Your tastebuds must be off. I enjoy all types of beer, but just becuase it's dark does not mean it tastes like dirt, or burnt coffee. I find Guiness, (the standard "drought" Guinness that we get in the US) to be extremely bland and tasteless. One of the worst dark beers that you can get, actually. A lot of Dark beers are very sweet--Sammy Smith Oatmeal Stout, along with other Oatmeal or Imperial Stouts as examples. A good dark beer (I guess you mean Stouts and Porters) often use higher-quality ingredients than the average light-to-medium colored beer that you seem to prefer.

The draught Guinness is lower in alcohol than the extra stout also available in the US. It is also not carbonated with CO2 which is likely part of the reason you say it's bland.

An average light-to-medium colored beer doesn't necessarily use less quality ingredients than a good dark beer. Hoegaarden uses quality ingredients and is considered a "white" beer because it is so light in color.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: LesterL

Originally posted by: kstu

a) shop somewhere besides 7-11

and/or

b) graduate high school

that's the second instance of 7-11 hate in this thread. WTH? My local 7-11 stocks Snow Cap Ale Ain't nothin' wrong with that!

I've also noticed two mentions of Yuengling's. It's making my mouth water. Anyone know where I could get cases of that fine brew online? That stuff's hard to come by in the Portland, OR metro area. It's nothing fancy, but damn good beer.

Please help, I haven't had a single drop of Yuenglings in about 5 years.

I second that. if you're going to drink cheap, "American-style" beer, then Yeungling is the only way to go. Too bad it mostly lurks on the east coast. The pathetic Chicago beer market as a Miller-imposed embargo on good beers. Anything from CO, OR, or CA has a limited chance of getting to us....

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I love all the e-Brewmasters on ATOT.

I suppose you are a real brewer? Have you thought that maybe some of us actually are brewers? Maybe some of us have even studied brewing history, styles, and methods.

Indeed. Here's me turning barley (2 row) into wort http://johnmearns.com/albums/allgrainbrew/DSCN1336.sized.jpg

So that makes you ruler of the "i know which beer is the bestest and you have to listen to me" agency?

He's added more credibility than you have.

So that means you can or try to belittle people because they wish not to drink some 3.5 super row moon barley beer only grown in 2 square meters of the black forest which is harvested during leap year under the light of a full moon?

People like Bud/Miller/Pabst/Natty Light. I've tried several lesser known beers from other countries and most taste like garbage. It's like licking the bottom of an ashtray with a hint of stale unrine or getting a mouth full of burnt motor oil mixed with sugar cane syrup.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I really only hate crappy mass-brewed beer (all AB and Miller products) and very dark beers (Guinness). And I hate them all because of taste. AB and Miller products just don't taste right to me.. maybe it's the amount of water or the crappy ingredients they use. Very dark beers taste like dirt or burnt coffee, neither of which are enjoyable. Give me a good medium colored microbrew.

Your tastebuds must be off. I enjoy all types of beer, but just becuase it's dark does not mean it tastes like dirt, or burnt coffee. I find Guiness, (the standard "drought" Guinness that we get in the US) to be extremely bland and tasteless. One of the worst dark beers that you can get, actually. A lot of Dark beers are very sweet--Sammy Smith Oatmeal Stout, along with other Oatmeal or Imperial Stouts as examples. A good dark beer (I guess you mean Stouts and Porters) often use higher-quality ingredients than the average light-to-medium colored beer that you seem to prefer.

The draught Guinness is lower in alcohol than the extra stout also available in the US. It is also not carbonated with CO2 which is likely part of the reason you say it's bland.

An average light-to-medium colored beer doesn't necessarily use less quality ingredients than a good dark beer. Hoegaarden uses quality ingredients and is considered a "white" beer because it is so light in color.

I didn't mean to imply that lighter-colored beers use low-quality ingredients compared to their darker brethren, jsut that they do on average. Dark beers are, on ave, more complex than the rest. Also, people that craft dark beers tend to have a greater appreciation for that type of beer than do those who prefer other beers (from my experience). The chance that higher-quality ingredients will be used is greater...

Also, when I think of tasty Guinness, I think of their Foreign Extra, which is brewed in the Netherlands, I believe, and certianly not shipped over here. Both the Drought and Extra that we get is rather interchangable, imo. The Foreign Extra is close to an Oatmeal stout, tastes nothing like the typical Guiness...and also sports ~8% alcohol

 

[Coquito]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: LesterL

Originally posted by: kstu

a) shop somewhere besides 7-11

and/or

b) graduate high school

that's the second instance of 7-11 hate in this thread. WTH? My local 7-11 stocks Snow Cap Ale Ain't nothin' wrong with that!

I've also noticed two mentions of Yuengling's. It's making my mouth water. Anyone know where I could get cases of that fine brew online? That stuff's hard to come by in the Portland, OR metro area. It's nothing fancy, but damn good beer.

Please help, I haven't had a single drop of Yuenglings in about 5 years.

I second that. if you're going to drink cheap, "American-style" beer, then Yeungling is the only way to go. Too bad it mostly lurks on the east coast. The pathetic Chicago beer market as a Miller-imposed embargo on good beers. Anything from CO, OR, or CA has a limited chance of getting to us....

Goose Island is wonderful.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
The beer snob is strong in this one.

I'm a beer snob too. If someone offers me a crappy beer, I just say no thanks try one of mine. I know not everyone is interested as I in different brewing techniques and styles of beer but, the youngsters who occasionally bring bad beer get exposed to good beer and they get to take their bad beer home with them. Everyone wins!

 

[LS20]

anyone who drnks anythign that tastes like stale urine with burnt motor oil deserves the belittling

 

[broon]

Goose Island IPA. An excellent example from the East.

 

[josh0099]

Originally posted by: broon
Goose Island IPA. An excellent example from the East.

Chicago is considered to be part of the East now? :beer:

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: LesterL

Originally posted by: kstu

a) shop somewhere besides 7-11

and/or

b) graduate high school

that's the second instance of 7-11 hate in this thread. WTH? My local 7-11 stocks Snow Cap Ale Ain't nothin' wrong with that!

I've also noticed two mentions of Yuengling's. It's making my mouth water. Anyone know where I could get cases of that fine brew online? That stuff's hard to come by in the Portland, OR metro area. It's nothing fancy, but damn good beer.

Please help, I haven't had a single drop of Yuenglings in about 5 years.

Come to Penn State. All the college parties have kegs of yuengling because its so cheap around here.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I love all the e-Brewmasters on ATOT.

I suppose you are a real brewer? Have you thought that maybe some of us actually are brewers? Maybe some of us have even studied brewing history, styles, and methods.

Indeed. Here's me turning barley (2 row) into wort http://johnmearns.com/albums/allgrainbrew/DSCN1336.sized.jpg

So that makes you ruler of the "i know which beer is the bestest and you have to listen to me" agency?

Not at all, but it does mean I probably have a little more insight into the process of making beer and the ingredients used than most people do. You simply cannot say that the crap that bud/miller/coors uses to make beer is indicative of the way all american brewers make beer. Similarly just because there are some quality european brewers doesn't mean that europe doesn't have their own bud/miller/coors crappy beer companies. You can't cherry pick the best euro brewers and compare them to american macro beer. The US has a ton of quality craft brewers just as europe does.

Adjuncts certainly serve a purpose in brewing, they can be used for good or evil

 

[eits]

i don't know why people like corona... it really isn't good at all...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Corona = Mexican Budweiser. I like Negra Modelo myself.

absolutely.

budweiser = awful, just like corona...

negra modelo, on the other hand + lime wedge = awesome as hell

 

[Umberger]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Beers all have different tastes. I like it.

I like many beers.

Corona might not be a "good" beer, but I enjoy the taste of it as well.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Corona = Mexican Budweiser. I like Negra Modelo myself.

absolutely.

budweiser = awful, just like corona...

negra modelo, on the other hand + lime wedge = awesome as hell

while I have enjoyed a negra modelo or two in the past...I don't find it to be far off of Corona. It's probably the blandest, lightest "dark" beer that I've ever had. I still like it allright though...just overpriced for what it is.

 

[pyonir]

did you guys know that corona sucks? LOL

Of course, i'm drinking bud select. hey...it's cheap...but tastes better than corona.