Originally posted by: Mo0o
friends brought over corona yesterday and im dirnking one of the remaining bottles from the fridge. not as bad as budweiser but this sh1t is not so good.
Originally posted by: Gibson486
I think all bear taste bad.
Originally posted by: her209
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Everything else > American BeerQ: I am doing research into fermentation. Could you tell me the difference between European and American beer and the beer making process? Could you discuss the ingredients, manufacturing process and such? Also is there a web site or research site online, which could help me with this? Thanks for your help, Jim
A: The big differences between American Brewing and European brewing is our usage of rice and maize. All of the major brewers in the USA use one or the other to cut down the body of the beer and so that they can use cheap, high protein 6-row malted barley. European brewers use low protein, higher costing 2-row barley. The types of hops used in the continental lagers and American light lagers are usually the same varieties - all Noble hops. When you get into any of the beers that are not of the light lager variety all bets are off. Americans are no traditionalists some times and very traditional other times. Europeans make a few styles that aren't really made in America too like Berliner Weiss Beer or Sahti from Scandinavia. You could (and many have) written entire books discussing all of the likenesses and the differences between brewing in various places on this planet so I can't go too much into depth. The main difference is the source of fermentable sugars that I mentioned above. Good luck, BrewDudeQ: Could you please explain about the different types of malt. (Ex: 2 row and 6 row malts) Thanks
A: All barley stalks have 6 vertical rows of "flowers" on them. The 2-row or 6 row designation simply has to do with how many fertile "flower" rows a stalk of barley has. When only 2 are fertile then it will only grow 2 large rows of barley on opposite sites of the stalk. When 6 are fertile then all 6 will become barley kernels - more barley per acre but each kernel is smaller to fit in the same room as the 2 kernels on a 2-row variety. The larger kernel has less protein per lb. of kernels because the core is bigger and weighs more that a tiny kernel from the 6 row barley stalk. Lower protein levels is better for home brewers. With high protein levels there can be problems with haze. large brewing companies like A-B and Miller reduce the overall protein levels in their beers by using some rice or corn which have sugar but no protein and are cheap to buy. hope this helps, BrewDude
Q: I am doing research into fermentation. Could you tell me the difference between European and American beer and the beer making process? Could you discuss the ingredients, manufacturing process and such? Also is there a web site or research site online, which could help me with this? Thanks for your help, Jim
A: The big differences between American Brewing and European brewing is our usage of rice and maize. All of the major brewers in the USA use one or the other to cut down the body of the beer and so that they can use cheap, high protein 6-row malted barley. European brewers use low protein, higher costing 2-row barley. The types of hops used in the continental lagers and American light lagers are usually the same varieties - all Noble hops. When you get into any of the beers that are not of the light lager variety all bets are off. Americans are no traditionalists some times and very traditional other times. Europeans make a few styles that aren't really made in America too like Berliner Weiss Beer or Sahti from Scandinavia. You could (and many have) written entire books discussing all of the likenesses and the differences between brewing in various places on this planet so I can't go too much into depth. The main difference is the source of fermentable sugars that I mentioned above. Good luck, BrewDude
Q: Could you please explain about the different types of malt. (Ex: 2 row and 6 row malts) Thanks
A: All barley stalks have 6 vertical rows of "flowers" on them. The 2-row or 6 row designation simply has to do with how many fertile "flower" rows a stalk of barley has. When only 2 are fertile then it will only grow 2 large rows of barley on opposite sites of the stalk. When 6 are fertile then all 6 will become barley kernels - more barley per acre but each kernel is smaller to fit in the same room as the 2 kernels on a 2-row variety. The larger kernel has less protein per lb. of kernels because the core is bigger and weighs more that a tiny kernel from the 6 row barley stalk. Lower protein levels is better for home brewers. With high protein levels there can be problems with haze. large brewing companies like A-B and Miller reduce the overall protein levels in their beers by using some rice or corn which have sugar but no protein and are cheap to buy. hope this helps, BrewDude
Originally posted by: davestar
linkQ: I am doing research into fermentation. Could you tell me the difference between European and American beer and the beer making process? Could you discuss the ingredients, manufacturing process and such? Also is there a web site or research site online, which could help me with this? Thanks for your help, Jim
A: The big differences between American Brewing and European brewing is our usage of rice and maize. All of the major brewers in the USA use one or the other to cut down the body of the beer and so that they can use cheap, high protein 6-row malted barley. European brewers use low protein, higher costing 2-row barley. The types of hops used in the continental lagers and American light lagers are usually the same varieties - all Noble hops. When you get into any of the beers that are not of the light lager variety all bets are off. Americans are no traditionalists some times and very traditional other times. Europeans make a few styles that aren't really made in America too like Berliner Weiss Beer or Sahti from Scandinavia. You could (and many have) written entire books discussing all of the likenesses and the differences between brewing in various places on this planet so I can't go too much into depth. The main difference is the source of fermentable sugars that I mentioned above. Good luck, BrewDudeQ: Could you please explain about the different types of malt. (Ex: 2 row and 6 row malts) Thanks
A: All barley stalks have 6 vertical rows of "flowers" on them. The 2-row or 6 row designation simply has to do with how many fertile "flower" rows a stalk of barley has. When only 2 are fertile then it will only grow 2 large rows of barley on opposite sites of the stalk. When 6 are fertile then all 6 will become barley kernels - more barley per acre but each kernel is smaller to fit in the same room as the 2 kernels on a 2-row variety. The larger kernel has less protein per lb. of kernels because the core is bigger and weighs more that a tiny kernel from the 6 row barley stalk. Lower protein levels is better for home brewers. With high protein levels there can be problems with haze. large brewing companies like A-B and Miller reduce the overall protein levels in their beers by using some rice or corn which have sugar but no protein and are cheap to buy. hope this helps, BrewDude
your own reference points out that only macrobrewers use rice and corn to fortify their beers. there's hundreds, if not thousands, of American brewers that make beers on par with their European counterparts.
if you want to be a beer snob, try harder.
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: Coquito
Budweiser is actually considered by many to taste better, myself included.
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
You can only drink Corona with some lime slices in it. Any other way is improper.
If that was true, wouldn't they brew it with limes? If you have to cover up the taste with something else, then you might as well drink something else.
Here's a little hint. Mexicans love putting lime on stuff; meat, chips, soup, other fruits, and of course some beers. It's not about covering up bad flavor (although Corona isn't really that great a beer), some drunk Mexican but lime into a Corona and it just tasted good.
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: davestar
linkQ: I am doing research into fermentation. Could you tell me the difference between European and American beer and the beer making process? Could you discuss the ingredients, manufacturing process and such? Also is there a web site or research site online, which could help me with this? Thanks for your help, Jim
A: The big differences between American Brewing and European brewing is our usage of rice and maize. All of the major brewers in the USA use one or the other to cut down the body of the beer and so that they can use cheap, high protein 6-row malted barley. European brewers use low protein, higher costing 2-row barley. The types of hops used in the continental lagers and American light lagers are usually the same varieties - all Noble hops. When you get into any of the beers that are not of the light lager variety all bets are off. Americans are no traditionalists some times and very traditional other times. Europeans make a few styles that aren't really made in America too like Berliner Weiss Beer or Sahti from Scandinavia. You could (and many have) written entire books discussing all of the likenesses and the differences between brewing in various places on this planet so I can't go too much into depth. The main difference is the source of fermentable sugars that I mentioned above. Good luck, BrewDudeQ: Could you please explain about the different types of malt. (Ex: 2 row and 6 row malts) Thanks
A: All barley stalks have 6 vertical rows of "flowers" on them. The 2-row or 6 row designation simply has to do with how many fertile "flower" rows a stalk of barley has. When only 2 are fertile then it will only grow 2 large rows of barley on opposite sites of the stalk. When 6 are fertile then all 6 will become barley kernels - more barley per acre but each kernel is smaller to fit in the same room as the 2 kernels on a 2-row variety. The larger kernel has less protein per lb. of kernels because the core is bigger and weighs more that a tiny kernel from the 6 row barley stalk. Lower protein levels is better for home brewers. With high protein levels there can be problems with haze. large brewing companies like A-B and Miller reduce the overall protein levels in their beers by using some rice or corn which have sugar but no protein and are cheap to buy. hope this helps, BrewDude
your own reference points out that only macrobrewers use rice and corn to fortify their beers. there's hundreds, if not thousands, of American brewers that make beers on par with their European counterparts.
if you want to be a beer snob, try harder.
QFT. The "American beers use rice" is such a trite argument at this point. Beer ignorance FTL.
Originally posted by: joshsquall
I really only hate crappy mass-brewed beer (all AB and Miller products) and very dark beers (Guinness). And I hate them all because of taste. AB and Miller products just don't taste right to me.. maybe it's the amount of water or the crappy ingredients they use. Very dark beers taste like dirt or burnt coffee, neither of which are enjoyable. Give me a good medium colored microbrew.
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: joshsquall
I really only hate crappy mass-brewed beer (all AB and Miller products) and very dark beers (Guinness). And I hate them all because of taste. AB and Miller products just don't taste right to me.. maybe it's the amount of water or the crappy ingredients they use. Very dark beers taste like dirt or burnt coffee, neither of which are enjoyable. Give me a good medium colored microbrew.
Not at all true. Stouts will almost certainly taste that way (although I don't agree that it tastes like dirt, it is often bitter like bad coffee--burnt coffee doesn't really taste bitter as all the solubles, including caffeine, have been volatized in the roasting process), but it's part of the style. It would be like criticizing IPA for its hoppy character.
There are many darker ales that a lot more like carmel, chocolate, fruits, etc. than dirt. Belgian Strong Ales in particular can be quite dark, especially those with double to quadruple the malts. My favorite producers of these styles are probably Westmalle, Westvleteren, Rochefort, St Bernardus, and others I'm forgetting.
[edit]I guess we could be arguing semantics. "Very dark" to you might mean only Stout, for example.[/edit]
Originally posted by: her209
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Originally posted by: Xyclone
I like "light" beers, including Corona and Heineken. I've never got into ales and lagers ("dark beers"), even though my dad drinks Samuel Adams (only American beer he likes). Are "dark" beers any good?
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: joshsquall
I really only hate crappy mass-brewed beer (all AB and Miller products) and very dark beers (Guinness). And I hate them all because of taste. AB and Miller products just don't taste right to me.. maybe it's the amount of water or the crappy ingredients they use. Very dark beers taste like dirt or burnt coffee, neither of which are enjoyable. Give me a good medium colored microbrew.
Not at all true. Stouts will almost certainly taste that way (although I don't agree that it tastes like dirt, it is often bitter like bad coffee--burnt coffee doesn't really taste bitter as all the solubles, including caffeine, have been volatized in the roasting process), but it's part of the style. It would be like criticizing IPA for its hoppy character.
There are many darker ales that a lot more like carmel, chocolate, fruits, etc. than dirt. Belgian Strong Ales in particular can be quite dark, especially those with double to quadruple the malts. My favorite producers of these styles are probably Westmalle, Westvleteren, Rochefort, St Bernardus, and others I'm forgetting.
[edit]I guess we could be arguing semantics. "Very dark" to you might mean only Stout, for example.[/edit]
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Xyclone
I like "light" beers, including Corona and Heineken. I've never got into ales and lagers ("dark beers"), even though my dad drinks Samuel Adams (only American beer he likes). Are "dark" beers any good?
Sam Adams is the only big brand american beer I like
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: her209
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You are an idiot for making a ignorant statement like this, go visit some real microbrews in the US.