Core i7 wake up call: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE overclocked to 6.29GHz!!

[AzN]

This is a long thread. Did I miss somewhere you alluded to references other than games? If so, I'm sorry. Trust me though, I'm not an ignorant person.

3D rendering isn't intended as a strawman. It's an example of an application that will actually use all 6 cores. There are other applications as well. Games just isn't one of them. That's my point. This is about the value of a $300.00 6 core processor. Not about what applications it doesn't matter with.

You probably did couple pages back which I never said quad optimized apps are better on the i3 but it does close the gap with hyperthreading. I only mentioned i3 because most people do not 3d model or do anything that require a quad.

Again I only mentioned the i3 vs x4 because people here are trying to compare the thuban with i7 860/930 etc because of price range. I thought i3 was a good example to paint that picture.

 

[Cogman]

Is this why faster CPU's have higher minimum frame rates? Come on of course minimum frame rates matter and don't you think these hardware sites that measure minimum frame rates took precaution when recording these minimum frame rates? You keep posting only to your agenda when hard facts are there before your eyes. :thumbsdown:

Oh, and what agenda would that be? Your "hard facts" are that slower CPUs have lower minimum frame rates. As I've stated in previous posts, a lower average frame rate is a better predictor of how low droops go then a lower minimum frame rate.

As for the links, Do they show that slower CPUs have lower minimum frame rates? Yes, they do. Are they a good predictor of how one CPU performs to relative another? No, they aren't. As I've stated before, the minimum frame rate that a CPU will achieve is fairly variable and hard to reproduce. Avg. frame rates are not hard to reproduce and fairly predictable.

As for the precautions. What precaution can you take against OS thread scheduling and cache misses? If you can answer those questions then I might concede to the point.

 

[DrMrLordX]

. A 6 core Thuban though @ $300.00 might be just the processor for me. It should be an outstanding value for my purposes. I'll have to see reviews before I can tell for sure though.

Well, if it means anything, my Propus (x4 635) scales pretty well with extra threads in Blender:

1 thread: 31.75s
4 threads: 8.73s

Speeds are a bit higher when I have Firefox closed, not that it matters.

(this is @3.7 ghz, 2.85 ghz NB, DDR3-1520 6-7-5-15 1T, running test.blend using an optimized 32-bit build of 2.52 alpha 2s)

I don't know if you use Blender at all, but another two cores should show additional improvement. Six cores should be down to, what, 5-6 seconds or so? That's not taking Thuban's L3 cache into account either.

AMD can always answer with 12 cores.

Not on socket AM3 they can't. Magny-Cours' packaging is all wrong for that. There are single-socket G34 boards out there, but they are not aimed at desktop users/enthusiasts, per se.

It would take a fair amount of work on AMD's part to bring Magny-Cours to the masses, and it would mess up their socket roadmaps.

 

[RussianSensation]

As we are 'technologically inclined' it feels good to get some heads up like this. I know it doesn't matter to the general population but it matters to me, that is the reason I follow these forums.

Unlocking a quad to a hexa for <$200 would be spectacular! :thumbsup:

 

[Apocalypse23]

Unlocking a quad to a hexa for <$200 would be spectacular! :thumbsup:

Indeed, but I'm wondering how the unlocked 6 core performance would be compared to a X6 1055/1090T ? I'm guessing the turbo core feature will not be included on the X4s.

Also, does anyone have any clue on how well the 1090T should overclock since it has an extra multiplier? It's the $100 price difference that is really mind boggling me, what could this 1090T BE significantly Oc to on air? And on water? I wouldn't be surprised if it could OC to 4.5 on air Hopefully Anand has a review coming out on April 26th

 

[sciwizam]

Indeed, but I'm wondering how the unlocked 6 core performance would be compared to a X6 1055/1090T ? I'm guessing the turbo core feature will not be included on the X4s.

Also, does anyone have any clue on how well the 1090T should overclock since it has an extra multiplier? It's the $100 price difference that is really mind boggling me, what could this 1090T BE significantly Oc to on air? And on water? I wouldn't be surprised if it could OC to 4.5 on air

I read somewhere that if it has a"T" in the name, then it'll turbo.

 

[Rubycon]

AMD can always answer with 12 cores.

That's just being silly.

 

[Apocalypse23]

I read somewhere that if it has a"T" in the name, then it'll turbo.

Gotcha, I was just doing some research on the entire new Phenom lineup, it looks like a lot of brand new i5/i3 and LGA1156 owners may have to think twice about their purchase, if AMD can release an unlockable 6 core chip with Turbo Core and such a low TDP, then the competition is in for a big surprise, I am tempted to buy one for myself right now, but maybe this will give me a reason to upgrade my brother's E8400 rig

Thuban" (45 nm, Six-core)
Model Number Step. Freq. Turbo L2 Cache L3 Cache HT Multi 1 TDP Socket Release Date Part Number(s)
Phenom II X6 1035T E0 2.6 GHz 3.1 GHz 6x 512 KB 6 MB 2.0 GHz[1] 13x 95 W AM3 26 April 2010 HDT35TWFK6DGR
Phenom II X6 1055T E0 2.8 GHz 3.3 GHz 6x 512 KB 6 MB 2.0 GHz[1] 14x 95 W AM3 26 April 2010 HDT55TWFK6DGR
Phenom II X6 1055T E0 2.8 GHz 3.3 GHz 6x 512 KB 6 MB 2.0 GHz[1] 14x 125 W AM3 26 April 2010 HDT55TFBGRBOX
Phenom II X6 1075T E0 3.0 GHz 3.5 GHz 6x 512 KB 6 MB 2.0 GHz[1] 15x 125 W AM3 Q3 2010
Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition E0 3.2 GHz 3.6 GHz 6x 512 KB 9 MB 2.0 GHz[1] 16x 125 W AM3 26 April 2010 HDT90ZFBGRBOX

Oh and also the Phenom II X4 960T with a 95W TDP and 2 unlock-able cores to make it a 6 core chip (may need specific motherboards to unlock)

 

[busydude]

Oh and also the Phenom II X4 960T with a 95W TDP and 2 unlock-able cores to make it a 6 core chip (need 890GX board to unlock)

Not all 890GX boards can unlock extra cores, Gigabyte does not have that feature enabled. Asrock and ASUS can unlock cores with a flip of a switch. Not sure about msi, biostar etc.

Asrock and ASUS can unlock each core separately, we may see someone unlocking it to a penta core atleast.

 

[Apocalypse23]

Not all 890GX boards can unlock extra cores, Gigabyte does not have that feature enabled. Asrock and ASUS can unlock cores with a flip of a switch. Not sure about msi, biostar etc.

Asrock and ASUS can unlock each core separately, we may see someone unlocking it to a penta core atleast.

Good point, I wonder if motherboard manufacturer's of the 890GX will issue a global BIOS update to enable this UCC (Unlock CPU Core) function on all boards, it would really help, or else not many will go with this chip or upgrade to an Extreme Asrock/Asus board.

http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/excl...ock-phenom-ii-x4-and-turn-it-into-a-x6/all/1/

At this point AMD has so much going on, first the success of the 5xxx DX11 cards, and now a new artillery of Thubans, I really really can't wait to read some reviews on each of these chips, Anand must be prepping up big time for this event If anyone thought that the Fermi launch was going to be something to talk about, welcome to the Thubans

 

[busydude]

Just imagine the bragging rights you can have with a penta core,

What kind of processor do you have man??
(Straight face) I have a quad core Thuban which I just unlocked to a penta core.
WOW, how did you do that man!! Thats awesome and soooo rad!!!

 

[3DVagabond]

Well, if it means anything, my Propus (x4 635) scales pretty well with extra threads in Blender:

1 thread: 31.75s
4 threads: 8.73s

Speeds are a bit higher when I have Firefox closed, not that it matters.

(this is @3.7 ghz, 2.85 ghz NB, DDR3-1520 6-7-5-15 1T, running test.blend using an optimized 32-bit build of 2.52 alpha 2s)

I don't know if you use Blender at all, but another two cores should show additional improvement. Six cores should be down to, what, 5-6 seconds or so? That's not taking Thuban's L3 cache into account either.

Yeap, 3D apps love more threads/cores. True cores scale a pretty close to 100%. I don't model in Blender, although I have messed around with it and have it installed on my system. I might use it more in the future when they update the UI. It's a strange animal at the moment. I'm rooting really hard for it though. Free animation apps are like free beer and free speech all rolled into one. :thumbsup:

 

[DrMrLordX]

Oh and also the Phenom II X4 960T with a 95W TDP and 2 unlock-able cores to make it a 6 core chip (need 890GX board to unlock)[/b]

There's also the 940T which is just a 3 ghz Zosma (960T is 3.3 ghz). Shouldn't the disabled cores be unlockable on 790FX, or any other mobo/chipset that can unlock cores on X2s/X3s?

Yeap, 3D apps love more threads/cores. True cores scale a pretty close to 100&#37;. I don't model in Blender, although I have messed around with it and have it installed on my system. I might use it more in the future when they update the UI. It's a strange animal at the moment. I'm rooting really hard for it though. Free animation apps are like free beer and free speech all rolled into one. :thumbsup:

It provided me with a free way to bench 3d rendering on my chip using the actual program rather than a canned benchmark based on commercial software (Cinebench). Not to knock Cinebench or anything, but being able to use the actual app is nice.

And yeah, the UI is a bit wonky. Also, I'm not sure why it defaults to 1 thread, and I never would have known that had the test.bench liner notes not provided a warning.

 

[busydude]

There's also the 940T which is just a 3 ghz Zosma (960T is 3.3 ghz). Shouldn't the disabled cores be unlockable on 790FX, or any other mobo/chipset that can unlock cores on X2s/X3s?

Yes you can. ACC feature is present in boards which have 710,750 south bridges.

SB 850 did not include ACC but ASUS and ASrock managed to circumvent this lack of ACC support.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Yes you can. ACC feature is present in boards which have 710,750 south bridges.

SB 850 did not include ACC but ASUS and ASrock managed to circumvent this lack of ACC support.

Good. All is well with the universe.

If the 940T launches at the $150 price point, that would be so sweet.

 

[Hacp]

That's just being silly.

How is it being silly? They already have a 12 core opteron out right now.

 

[BenchZowner]

AFAIK:
Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, MSI have already done that ( unlocking the cores ).
And also, AFAIK again, there's no option to unlock 1 core, unlock = unlocks all cores.

 

[richierich1212]

Well with some of the current 790 boards that have ACC, there are options to unlock one or two cores only. I know on my mobo I can select X2 mode, or X3 mode if I didn't want to unlock the 4th one.

 

[BenchZowner]

I might be wrong, but I doubt it ( since ACC isn't supported by the 890FX chipset ).
If they can make it right again, that will be nice because some chips can have a bad core while the other one is fine, you get my point

 

[richierich1212]

Yep but then you can hopefully you can still get around the BIOS issue by unlocking all four cores, but then disabling the weak one in windows.

 

[Gillbot]

Cyrix needs to come back with a 400 core CPU!

 

[Cogman]

Cyrix needs to come back with a 400 core CPU!

lol, wouldn't that be a sight. Is via still producing Cyrix CPUs?

 

[Gillbot]

lol, wouldn't that be a sight. Is via still producing Cyrix CPUs?

They'd do quite well if they made a 400 core 10MHz CPU. I mean, more is better right?

 

[SunnyD]

lol, wouldn't that be a sight. Is via still producing Cyrix CPUs?

Yes and no. They were bought out by VIA. As were Centaur.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I think its rather simple how Bloomfield vs Thuban will end up.

Look at Xeon 5500 vs Opteron 24xx: http://anandtech.com/show/2774/5

There's no situation where the 6 core Opteron can beat the 4 core Xeon 5500. Since the apps tested are more multi-threaded, that'll be representative of how it'll perform with the Thuban vs. Bloomfield in heavily multi-threaded apps: i7 will have slight advantage

All other minus games: Core i7 way faster

Games: Probably i7 will retain similar lead as it did with the 4 core Phenom IIs. Games do run faster on 4 cores than on 2 but its not a big change because of the way games distribute threads to the CPU. They do what I'd call it a "dumb" way, because 1 core is still utilized heavily while others aren't.

1 core: AI+Drivers+Physics+Misc

2 core(big improvement):
Core 0 - Drivers and Physics
Core 1 - AI + Misc

4 core(small improvement):
Core 0 - Drivers
Core 1 - Physics
Core 2 - AI
Core 3 - Misc

What can they do with 6 cores? There's not much they can do above 4, easily.