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Shimmishim

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T800 Supertalents are no longer D9's

From an email to someone else pulled from another forum:

First, we do not specify which chip we use in our Overclocking modules. We specify the clock speed, latency values, and voltage that the modules are tested and guaranteed to operate at. What really matters to customers is what speed the modules can run at, so that's naturally how we specify the modules. But we can use any chip that meets our specifications. Our reasoning for this is simple. When you buy a Super Talent module you're not just buying a bunch of chips on a PCB; you're buying all the testing that we put into the module, and our quality guarantee -- we stand behind the product. The vast majority of our OC modules are capable of running well over their rated specs.

Also, to offer the best possible price and availability we need to be able to qualify multiple chip sources for each module (when possible). We work tirelessly to drive our costs down and improve our availability and lead-times for each product, but we need the flexibility to use more than one chip brand to be competitive. Of course our competitors do the same thing -- they use a variety of chip vendors for their 800MHz parts to drive costs down.

For customers who want the exceptional performance of Micron D9, they can buy our top speed grade modules since currently we use only Micron D9 on our 1000MHz kits. Of course these Micron D9 based modules are considerably more expensive and have very long lead times, so it's not a good volume production product. If you're interested in testing our 1000MHz kits I'm sure we can support you.

If you experienced any issues with our 800MHz kits, I can't imagine why since we haven't seen any quality issues with these kits. Our test process in production is very intensive, and like I said, the majority of our 800MHz kits can run at nearly 900MHz. We'll be glad to replace any bad kit you may have.
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
T800 Supertalents are no longer D9's

From an email to someone else pulled from another forum:

First, we do not specify which chip we use in our Overclocking modules. We specify the clock speed, latency values, and voltage that the modules are tested and guaranteed to operate at. What really matters to customers is what speed the modules can run at, so that's naturally how we specify the modules. But we can use any chip that meets our specifications. Our reasoning for this is simple. When you buy a Super Talent module you're not just buying a bunch of chips on a PCB; you're buying all the testing that we put into the module, and our quality guarantee -- we stand behind the product. The vast majority of our OC modules are capable of running well over their rated specs.

Also, to offer the best possible price and availability we need to be able to qualify multiple chip sources for each module (when possible). We work tirelessly to drive our costs down and improve our availability and lead-times for each product, but we need the flexibility to use more than one chip brand to be competitive. Of course our competitors do the same thing -- they use a variety of chip vendors for their 800MHz parts to drive costs down.

For customers who want the exceptional performance of Micron D9, they can buy our top speed grade modules since currently we use only Micron D9 on our 1000MHz kits. Of course these Micron D9 based modules are considerably more expensive and have very long lead times, so it's not a good volume production product. If you're interested in testing our 1000MHz kits I'm sure we can support you.

If you experienced any issues with our 800MHz kits, I can't imagine why since we haven't seen any quality issues with these kits. Our test process in production is very intensive, and like I said, the majority of our 800MHz kits can run at nearly 900MHz. We'll be glad to replace any bad kit you may have.


The highlighted section is of particular note. They claim most of their sets will do DDR2-900 up from DDR2-800 spec. But there are TONS of DDR2-667 parts that will do DDR2-1000. Seems their memory is not a value anymore.
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Shimmishim
T800 Supertalents are no longer D9's

From an email to someone else pulled from another forum:

First, we do not specify which chip we use in our Overclocking modules. We specify the clock speed, latency values, and voltage that the modules are tested and guaranteed to operate at. What really matters to customers is what speed the modules can run at, so that's naturally how we specify the modules. But we can use any chip that meets our specifications. Our reasoning for this is simple. When you buy a Super Talent module you're not just buying a bunch of chips on a PCB; you're buying all the testing that we put into the module, and our quality guarantee -- we stand behind the product. The vast majority of our OC modules are capable of running well over their rated specs.

Also, to offer the best possible price and availability we need to be able to qualify multiple chip sources for each module (when possible). We work tirelessly to drive our costs down and improve our availability and lead-times for each product, but we need the flexibility to use more than one chip brand to be competitive. Of course our competitors do the same thing -- they use a variety of chip vendors for their 800MHz parts to drive costs down.

For customers who want the exceptional performance of Micron D9, they can buy our top speed grade modules since currently we use only Micron D9 on our 1000MHz kits. Of course these Micron D9 based modules are considerably more expensive and have very long lead times, so it's not a good volume production product. If you're interested in testing our 1000MHz kits I'm sure we can support you.

If you experienced any issues with our 800MHz kits, I can't imagine why since we haven't seen any quality issues with these kits. Our test process in production is very intensive, and like I said, the majority of our 800MHz kits can run at nearly 900MHz. We'll be glad to replace any bad kit you may have.


The highlighted section is of particular note. They claim most of their sets will do DDR2-900 up from DDR2-800 spec. But there are TONS of DDR2-667 parts that will do DDR2-1000. Seems their memory is not a value anymore.

like other have stated about the switching of ics, seems like the d9 were probably cheaper a while ago, then when the cat got out of the bag and people realized how much o/c room they had they just started to put ics in that are closer to the advertised spec - and make more $$$. i guess this is one time when the early adopters of ddr2 probably got a good deal....so i guess if one of their parts do 800 they will not replace it as that is what it is specced @
 

mooseyfate

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Does that apply to T800UX2GC4? Because if so, I may well return them before I open the ones I just ordered. I know the T800UX2GC5 are not Micron.

I got the T800UX2GC4 because I thought not only did they have Micron, but they used better than typical Micron (according to them being *ed on the original post, and green on ramlist. To me, that price is fine for high quality Micron, but unacceptable for maybe micron.
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: mooseyfate
Does that apply to T800UX2GC4? Because if so, I may well return them before I open the ones I just ordered. I know the T800UX2GC5 are not Micron.

I got the T800UX2GC4 because I thought not only did they have Micron, but they used better than typical Micron (according to them being *ed on the original post, and green on ramlist. To me, that price is fine for high quality Micron, but unacceptable for maybe micron.

Green on Ramlist is in production D9 and red is fatbody which is out of production.
 

mooseyfate

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Ok, but it is Micron D9 none less. But does Shimmishim post about Super Talent not always using D9 mean that Ramlist may need to be updated with some non-micron versions for their T800UX2GC4?
 

Markfw

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BTW, that ram list link creates a popup and spyware that even firefox can;t stop. I think somebody should print that out, make a picture, and post a link to the picture, I hate spyware, and anybody that promotes it
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
BTW, that ram list link creates a popup and spyware that even firefox can;t stop. I think somebody should print that out, make a picture, and post a link to the picture, I hate spyware, and anybody that promotes it

No it doesn't lol...seriously is this a joke?
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: mooseyfate
Ok, but it is Micron D9 none less. But does Shimmishim post about Super Talent not always using D9 mean that Ramlist may need to be updated with some non-micron versions for their T800UX2GC4?

As far as anyone knows still the cas4 is D9 even to this day. Cas5 is something else.

until someone buys the cas4 and proves this to be incorrect the list cannot be updated. How do you prove it? void the warranty and expose the stamping on the IC under the heatspreader. Then post a picture with clear markings.
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Markfw900
BTW, that ram list link creates a popup and spyware that even firefox can;t stop. I think somebody should print that out, make a picture, and post a link to the picture, I hate spyware, and anybody that promotes it

No it doesn't lol...seriously is this a joke?

I am dead serious. It says in the header http://ilead.trackit.it - Advertisement for a registry cleaner recommended. I even have zone alarm anti-spyware installed, and it still comes up !
 

The-Noid

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Supertalent heatspreaders are pretty easy to take off fortunately. 4-4-3-8 is pushing the boundries of even high binned elpida and promos. But I said that 2 months ago too, and now there is a 1000 mhz CAS5 elpida marketed IC in production.
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Markfw900
BTW, that ram list link creates a popup and spyware that even firefox can;t stop. I think somebody should print that out, make a picture, and post a link to the picture, I hate spyware, and anybody that promotes it

No it doesn't lol...seriously is this a joke?

I am dead serious. It says in the header http://ilead.trackit.it - Advertisement for a registry cleaner recommended. I even have zone alarm anti-spyware installed, and it still comes up !

There is no popup, no firefox warning, and no problem.
 

The-Noid

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I get a popup. Been to that list on multiple computers, all of them have the popup. All of them running FF.
 

mooseyfate

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Guys... isn't the pop-up issue a big off topic for this very long thread?

I'd tell you weather or not I got a pop-up, but this isn't the place for such discussion IMO.
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
I get a popup. Been to that list on multiple computers, all of them have the popup. All of them running FF.

I never do even in IE :thumbsup:
 

The-Noid

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I have had good luck with that G.Skill set. I never went above Cas4 and still could hit 850 mhz. Its the better deal of the two imo.
 

Shimmishim

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: mooseyfate
Ok, but it is Micron D9 none less. But does Shimmishim post about Super Talent not always using D9 mean that Ramlist may need to be updated with some non-micron versions for their T800UX2GC4?

As far as anyone knows still the cas4 is D9 even to this day. Cas5 is something else.

until someone buys the cas4 and proves this to be incorrect the list cannot be updated. How do you prove it? void the warranty and expose the stamping on the IC under the heatspreader. Then post a picture with clear markings.

in the thread i got the info from, the person who has the same modules as me has week 45's and his don't respond well to anything over 2.3 volts.

mine on the other hand are week 31's and are capable of 4-4-4-10 @ 475 and 2.25 volts (memtested and blend tested on a p5b deluxe).

the thread also has a pic of the mem modules w/o the heatspreader and his clearly show NO MICRON D9 label...

i think it's possible they did a switcharoo sometime between week 31 and week 45.
 

Conky

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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Yoxxy
I get a popup. Been to that list on multiple computers, all of them have the popup. All of them running FF.

I never do even in IE :thumbsup:
I don't get a pop-up either.

Found an interesting entry there.

PC6400 TWIN2X 5.0-5-5-12 Micron D9DQW (BT-37E)
I coulda swore at least a couple people told me my RAM was promos chipped... in fact, they insisted it was. :p Hey, I even took the heatspreader off and guess what? Naw, I shouldn't rub it in. :laugh:

 

Shimmishim

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Originally posted by: Hajpoj
Originally posted by: Hajpoj
What about G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) 4-4-4-12
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231087 $219.99

I'd still like to know if this set is indeed D9 and worth the money?

i have a doubt that is D9's but someone reports getting ddr2-900 so... they might be some nice clocking elpidas/promos.

if you want the cheapest gskill modules that should be guaranteed D9's its this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065

$304.99

big price difference
 

bargainshopper

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bought an e6600 and a ds3 mobo and now looking for memory. If I want to OC the e6600 to the low 3 Ghz, will any DDR2 800 RAM do?
TIA
 

The-Noid

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Beachboy here is the Corsair IC List.

CM2X1024-6400 XMS6405v5.1 0635001-2 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400Pro XMS 6405V1.3 0606179-4 = Micron, 64Mx8, 2-667 CL5, Rev D
CMX2x1024-6400PRO XMS6405v4.1 0629101-4 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400 XMS6405 v4.1 0626270-1 = Infineon, Die Rev B, 64M X 8
CM2X1024-6400 6405v5.1 0635148-0 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400 6405 v.5.1 0634219-6 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400 6405v5.1 0639158-0 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, 0.09u 64Mx8
CM2x1024-6400 6405v5.1 0633002-15 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, 0.09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400 6405v5.1 0634287-2 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, 0.09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400 6405v5.1 0631252-2 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, 0.09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400 6405v5.1 0631252-9 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400PRO XMS6405v1.1 0610028-1 = Micron, 64Mx8, 667, CL5, Rev D
CM2X1024-6400 XMS6405v5.1 0633171-6 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM2X1024-6400 XMS6405v5.1 0629230-7 = PROMOS 667MHZ, CL5, .09u 64Mx8
CM1024X2-6400 XMS6405 v4.1 0626413-3 = Infineon, Die Rev B, 64MX8
CM2X1024-6400PRO XMS6405v3.1 0609115-2 = Infineon, Die Rev B, 64M X 8
CM2X1024-6400 XMS6405v4.1 0609102-1 = Infineon, Die Rev B, 64M X 8

If you bought 512 meg sticks you may have a higher chance, but since this post is about 2x1GB sets you would be out of place.

If you did in fact get Micron. I would consider yourself extremely lucky. That ram list is not up to date on Corsair stuff. Here is the updated list. Congrats on the fatbodies you obviously bought your twin2x pros at exactly the right time.

Could you show us how to get the Pro Heatspreaders off as well, since they are put on by adhesive, I would like to know how to get them off without pulling an IC off. I have another set I would like to run naked for some extreme voltage tests.