Core 2 Duo/DDR2 Memory Guide, Read Me First.

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Beachboy doesn't understand the point of the post, not a big problem. The 5,000 views show that other people do understand it. The similar post over at XS that has 25,000 views show that there is a need for something like this.

Half the page views are probably you refreshing the page. So page views don't give you authority either. :laugh:

Your thread was titled "Core 2 Duo/DDR2 Memory Guide, Read Me First." and not "How to tell if your RAM has Micron chips".

Advising people to buy the most expensive stuff is still weak advice.

 

[The-Noid]

First off, someone in this forum asked me to write this post.
Second, there was ram that had Elpida chips in the post it has since risen in price to 235$ which approaches the $250 that D9's cost.
Third, I would say Closer to 2/3 are me refreshing.
Fourth, generally speaking $250 ram is nowhere near the most expensive stuff. Look up Dominator if you get bored.
Fifth, you and OcHungry should go party together, you both have this, whatever I buy is the best attitude. You need to come up with more unsubstantiated evidence, and link to tidbits and quotes to prove your point. Then you guys will be exactly the same.
Sixth, just for fun read this on ram timings and improvements, or you could read the article about the OCZ Pc2-9200 both show what ram speed does in a C2D system.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1971132&enterthread=y
Seventh, in your for sale post you have simply listed Corsair rams. You also quote that only one set of Corsair ram is listed. You seem to think Corsair is best, maybe they are, but they are not the only brand of ram available. OcHungry thinks there is only AMD, you think there is only Corsair.
Finally, as I stated in another post, no one cares about the size of your e-penis you are out of your league on this stuff. Go back to off-topic.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
First off, someone in this forum asked me to write this post.
Second, there was ram that had Elpida chips in the post it has since raised in price to 235$ which approaches the $250 that D9's cost.
Third, I would say Closer to 2/3 are me refreshing.
Fourth, generally speaking $250 ram is nowhere near the most expensive stuff. Look up Dominator if you get bored.
Fifth, you and OcHungry should go party together, you both have this, whatever I buy is the best attitude. You need to come up with more unsubstantiated evidence, and link to tidbits and quotes to prove your point. Then you guys will be exactly the same.
Sixth, just for fun read this on ram timings and improvements, or you could read the article about the OCZ Pc2-9200 both show what ram speed does in a C2D system.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1971132&enterthread=y
Seventh, in your for sale post you have simply listed Corsair rams. You also quote that only one set of Corsair ram is listed. You seem to think Corsair is best, maybe they are, but they are not the only brand of ram available. OcHungry thinks there is only AMD, you think there is only Corsair.
Finally, as I stated in another post, no one cares about the size of your e-penis you are out of your league on this stuff. Go back to off-topic.

Settle down Beavis. :laugh:

I do happen to have some Corsair RAM for sale but I have never said that Corsair was the only brand one should consider. In fact, if you scroll up a bit you will see that I said:

Many other very capable brands have also been ignored.

No where do I say "buy only Corsair". Do not put words in my mouth, noob.

And BTW, you are the one who resembles OcHungry with your weak advice.

 

[The-Noid]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
This post is bunk for ignoring the various Corsair brand offerings besides the TWIN2X2048-8500C5 $364 set of RAM.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy

Originally posted by: Beachboy
This post is bunk for ignoring the various Corsair brand offerings besides the TWIN2X2048-8500C5 $364 set of RAM.

As much as I want to argue, I just don't care. I have never seen you in 3 months here. Now you are here and think that your ****** doesn't stink. Other people find this useful, you don't. You will buy Corsair stuff regardless if it is educated purchase or not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right or wrong.

How many times are you gonna edit this post? I tried to respond to your little attack only to see you edited it again. Text

Skip your ritalin today, did ya?

 

[The-Noid]

I just realized you are not worth it. There is no point to try to argue with people that are so set in their own opinions.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
I just realized you are not worth it. There is no point to try to argue with people that are so set in their own opinions.

They are Just trying to get the thread locked.... that is the smart plan...

 

[The-Noid]

yeah at this point I don't disagree

 

[bob4432]

Yoxxy - any chance we could get links to your other guides? regardless of what other closed minded people here think i feel you have at the very least decent knowledge of what you are posting about.

this thread has been very informative to me being i have not move to a ddr2 platform and i appreciate the time you have put, along with the other positive posters in this thread.

now that the time is coming for a ddr2 move, and i always to a lot of research before a move i am glad i found this thread. ic switching has always been a huge bone of contention with me and also the fact that i have felt many times that manf send review sites custom picked items to get a better review for said product. with the availabitliy of the internet i think this has a chance to stop the bait and switching which would result in price gouging from different manfs.

personally i am hoping for ram prices to come down before i move over to c2d, hopefully getting 2GB of some decent 667 or 800 for less than $200, would like it to be more around $150, but we will see how that goes.

every think of creating a site? or just a couple of webpages with your information?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
I just realized you are not worth it. There is no point to try to argue with people that are so set in their own opinions.

They are Just trying to get the thread locked.... that is the smart plan...

unfortunately some people can't stand to be wrong and feel that anything they have is the best, when in reality it is not.

 

[The-Noid]

Yuck that was supposed to be a pm.

 

[mooseyfate]

The E6400 midrange Patriot ram mentioned on p1 is model number PDC22G6400LLK.

According to ramlist, PDC22G6400LLK can be Elpida or Micron D9. I was under the impression that Micron was hands down the way to go.

My question is, why is the Patriot ram on the list? I have no problem with Patriot ram, and this looks like good ram to me. But I'm surprised to see a potentially non Micron ram make the cut. Please clarify.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: mooseyfate
The E6400 midrange Patriot ram mentioned on p1 is model number PDC22G6400LLK.

According to ramlist, PDC22G6400LLK can be Elpida or Micron D9. I was under the impression that Micron was hands down the way to go.

My question is, why is the Patriot ram on the list? I have no problem with Patriot ram, and this looks like good ram to me. But I'm surprised to see a potentially non Micron ram make the cut. Please clarify.

It has only receintly been made with Elpida chips. It has always been Micron until just receintly and not many people have purchased it and tested it and/or removed the heatspreader to verify the IC.

 

[Conky]

I suppose I should have made my thoughts clear in the ultimate "Core 2 Duo/DDR2 Memory Guide, Read Me First." thread.

My point was, and it's a pretty simple point... if you are looking for a reasonable overclock, let's say 3.2Ghz, with most P965-based motherboards then all you need is... *gulp*... the cheapest RAM that will run at DDR2-800 spec.

This means you don't have to overclock your RAM even a little bit to run an E6400 at 3.2Ghz. The cheapest DDR2-800 PC-6400 RAM will get it done without even going out of spec.

Can you imagine that? Cheap and easy overclocks without paying $490 for your RAM!

Of course, if you want to reach for the heavens and be a benchmark queen then you will need lots of high dollar stuff and just send your paychecks directly to hardware sellers. I think I indicated this was a bad idea but people are free to do whatever with their cash.

 

[The-Noid]

Well I assume you would agree that 2x 1GB is the standard now?

The cheapest DDR2-6400 is 209.99 on Newegg for a 2x 1GIG set. This is for 5-5-5-15 (very slow as MANY tests will prove, this is not opinion).

You can get Micron D9's in these sets for $249.99 that are guaranteed to run 4-4-4-12 @ PC2-6400 or PC2-8000 5-5-5-15 in all cases.

It's basically saying, well we can pay $20 a month and get 512/256k dsl or pay $25 a month and get 1.5mbit/768k dsl (that is how it is in my area, and the premium tiers cost a bunch more, just like ram), "I mean its the same internet right?"

I guess in the end you get what you pay for, also with the higher end sticks the memory manufacturers will usually cross-ship, for value ram and others they do not.

It is evident from your choices you prefer value ram, this is an alright decision, but there are many others who don't follow in your footsteps and choose to get the best deal for their money.

 

[mooseyfate]

So if that Patriot ram is proven to be using Elpida, would it be removed from the list, or would it still be considered "what kinds of memory should be purcahsed to allow for maximum overclock potentional"?

It's been mentioned before, but I'll mention it again. Seems like Beachboy's intentions are good, but he's going about his arguments in not quite the best way. Seems like he's not taking into account this from the first paragraph of the first post, "what kinds of memory should be purcahsed to allow for maximum overclock potentional". I do think the message from that quote should be conveyed through the title.

So, let's just clear things up. How much of a leap in performance is "maximum overclock potential" above "good overclock potential, but not quite good enough to make this thread"? Is it close, or are they miles appart?
Estimated, how much slower would: (using Super Talent line as an example)
1) T800UX2GC5 (DDR2-800, 5-5-5-15) be than T800UX2GC4 (DDR2-800, 4-4-3-8)
2) T6UB1GC5 (DDR2-667, 5) be than T800UX2GC5 (DDR2-800, 5-5-5-15)

We know that Beachboy's opinion is "not much difference". While I value that opinion, I'd like to hear what other people (especially Yoxxy), think too (as there seem to be an awful lot of people who may have different opinions).

Anyone know what core is used in the above mentioned rams (ramlist being the only place I know of to look)?
T800UX2GC4 (DDR2-800, 4-4-3-8) - Micron D9
T800UX2GC5 (DDR2-800, 5-5-5-15) - ?
T6UB1GC5 (DDR2-667, 5) - ?

 

[The-Noid]

The idea becomes if you have a E6400 with an 8x multiplier you need at least PC2-6400 to reach 3.2 ghz. If you have an e6300 you need even faster am. With certain processors ram will limit your overclock.
As for performance, it will scale pretty linerally from changing timings and raising bandwidth. A good example is looking at the post of PC2-9200 OCZ ram.

 

[mooseyfate]

OMG, thanks SOOO much Yoxxy!! I feel like a fool for not having having seen the OCZ article. The Super Talent and GSkill articles (linked to in the OCZ article) were particularly good as well.

I think less than a month ago, the more value ram was worth consideration. A knotch less performance for half the price. But now the midrange price is close enough to the budget price, that you might as well go midrange. Man technology is changing fast. A tech-savvy friend built a p4 machine last summer, and had no idea what Core 2 was even was (I at least think you can be tech-savvy and not look at innovations in hardware for 6 months... people do get busy with other things after all).

Please add a link to the OCZ article in the original post. I think such a reference would satisfy Beachboy's concerns. It would certainly have saved me a couple days of research.

 

[mooseyfate]

Hmmm, from the original post, E6400:
The budget ram is 2.1v
The midrange ram is 2.2v

I just read the ASUS P5B-E maxes out at 2.2v. So does that mean only the budget choice would be able to boot up that board?

 

[regpfj]

Is there a utility that will ID the ram ICs, or do you just have to look at it?

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: regpfj
Is there a utility that will ID the ram ICs, or do you just have to look at it?

All of the IC information is etched onto the top of the RAM IC itself.

The SPD chip doesn?t hold any IC ID strings in its ROM. There?s simply no need to, from a hardware identification point of view.

 

[The-Noid]

Moosey, both will boot. Also P5B-E now goes to 2.45. Revision 1.02g. The ram will boot with 1.8v you just need to change it after that.

 

[mooseyfate]

Thanks!!! I think I have my system all figured out now.

 

[Tallonpro]

I found this on an other forum. Hope you can find it to be useful!
http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/

 

[Sniper82]

Which should I go with and is more likely to work on a DS3 and o/c the best?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144028
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231098
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231087