Cops wonder why the public is turning on them... POLL

Page 3 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

J Heartless Slick

Golden Member
Nov 11, 1999
1,330
0
0
I live in the NYC metro area and I estimate at least 95% of traffic goes a minimum of 5 miles per hour above the posted speed. So for cops to write 12 tickets a month would be like jumping in a full pool and hitting water.
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
21,503
9
0
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Most traffic tickets are nothing more than a revenue generator for the state and local governments. The insurance companies profit too when they get to raise the rates on someone because they got a speeding ticket or two.

Awhile back Geico bought out a struggling company that made laser speed guns for law enforcement. They then proceeded to "donate" a large number of laser speed monitoring devices to local departments where there was a high number of Geico insured drivers, with the only stipulation being that the officers use the donated guns to write so many tickets per month. The whole reason behind this was to hopefully get more Geico drivers ticketed, so Geico could raise their rates and get much more of a return long term from the jacked rates then they ever lost giving away the laser guns...


I was about to say that sounds like a urban myth or just BS BUT...

Last year Geico Insurance Co. donated $20,000,000 ( twenty million dollars ) to police departments in the form of new laser and radar guns. Other insurance companies donated large amounts as well.

But yea this is all in the name of "safety". :roll:

 

shoRunner

Platinum Member
Nov 8, 2004
2,629
1
0
why not make quota's for violent crimes or drug arrests? things much more worthy of police attention than traffic tickets
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
21,503
9
0
Originally posted by: shoRunner
why not make quota's for violent crimes or drug arrests? things much more worthy of police attention than traffic tickets

Because that cost money. A speeding ticket MAKES money.

<-- Grandfather was a cop.
 

ryan256

Platinum Member
Jul 22, 2005
2,514
0
71
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Most traffic tickets are nothing more than a revenue generator for the state and local governments. The insurance companies profit too when they get to raise the rates on someone because they got a speeding ticket or two.

Awhile back Geico bought out a struggling company that made laser speed guns for law enforcement. They then proceeded to "donate" a large number of laser speed monitoring devices to local departments where there was a high number of Geico insured drivers, with the only stipulation being that the officers use the donated guns to write so many tickets per month. The whole reason behind this was to hopefully get more Geico drivers ticketed, so Geico could raise their rates and get much more of a return long term from the jacked rates then they ever lost giving away the laser guns...

What got me is 3 years ago Geico tried to raise my rate after another driver rear-ended me! Clearly the other woman was at fault, the cop that wrote it up said so, and she even admitted it and was quite apologetic. Yet Geico's logic was "There's a wreck on your MVR... so we raise your rate." In the state of AL any accident goes on your record regardless of fault. The catch is the bold print at the top of the MVR that states inclusion of collision data on this report does not indicate fault in any way.
 

puffff

Platinum Member
Jun 25, 2004
2,374
0
0
Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick
I live in the NYC metro area and I estimate at least 95% of traffic goes a minimum of 5 miles per hour above the posted speed. So for cops to write 12 tickets a month would be like jumping in a full pool and hitting water.

See, that's the problem. Most of us don't follow the rules to the letter. We go a little too fast, we roll through stop signs. And the cops won't stop us all the time. Go past a police car at 72mph in a 65mph zone, it'll be overlooked most of the time. So we get into a habit of it. Then all of the sudden when they decide to enforce, it feels unfair.

I didnt think this thread was about who's right and who's wrong, rather public perception. It's human nature that if we get singled out for doing something that gets overlooked most of the time, we're gonna feel some resentment.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
48,920
46
91
Each officer has to issue 144 tickets a year... 12 a month... figuring they work 20 days a month, that's less than one a day. It's not like he's telling them to give tickets just for the heck of it, he's just telling them to actually do their job. In my experience with cops, every time I've been pulled over in my home state it was for something I REALLY deserved a ticket for. In other states... not so much. In general I think cops are pretty reasonable. I've had cops pull up behind me when I'm doing 75-80 in a 65, and I just move over and they go right by. Just the other day someone I know was on his cell phone on the highway (illegal in NJ) and a cop pulled up beside him, motioned for him to hang up, then went right on by. There's so many times cops COULD give tickets and don't, because for the most part they're reasonable human beings.
 

Insane3D

Elite Member
May 24, 2000
19,446
0
0
Originally posted by: mugs
Each officer has to issue 144 tickets a year... 12 a month... figuring they work 20 days a month, that's less than one a day. It's not like he's telling them to give tickets just for the heck of it, he's just telling them to actually do their job. In my experience with cops, every time I've been pulled over in my home state it was for something I REALLY deserved a ticket for. In other states... not so much. In general I think cops are pretty reasonable. I've had cops pull up behind me when I'm doing 75-80 in a 65, and I just move over and they go right by. Just the other day someone I know was on his cell phone on the highway (illegal in NJ) and a cop pulled up beside him, motioned for him to hang up, then went right on by. There's so many times cops COULD give tickets and don't, because for the most part they're reasonable human beings.


See, this varies widly from place to place. In a lot of larger cities, they seem less concerned with small traffic infractions, but in other locations, they can go the complete opposite. In my town they regularly give out tickets for 3-5mph over, and most normal car's speedometers are not exact, so you could essentialy get a ticket for your gauges reading 1-2mph low....and we all know if the speed limit is safe...2-5mph over is freakin DANGEROUS!




 

huberm

Golden Member
Dec 17, 2004
1,105
1
0
in Indiana I believe the state police have a quota. I'm not sure how many they have to give each month though. We also have "Operation Pullover" where you see people pulled over everywhere for about a month or so.
 

imported_Condor

Diamond Member
Sep 22, 2004
5,425
0
0
Originally posted by: mugs
Each officer has to issue 144 tickets a year... 12 a month... figuring they work 20 days a month, that's less than one a day. It's not like he's telling them to give tickets just for the heck of it, he's just telling them to actually do their job. In my experience with cops, every time I've been pulled over in my home state it was for something I REALLY deserved a ticket for. In other states... not so much. In general I think cops are pretty reasonable. I've had cops pull up behind me when I'm doing 75-80 in a 65, and I just move over and they go right by. Just the other day someone I know was on his cell phone on the highway (illegal in NJ) and a cop pulled up beside him, motioned for him to hang up, then went right on by. There's so many times cops COULD give tickets and don't, because for the most part they're reasonable human beings.
I was on 66 just out of DC one evening. It was pouring rain - really bad. This cop pulled me over, got out of his nice dry car and walked in the downpour to my window. Then he said, "Sir, would you please turn on your lights". He then went back to his car and left. I will forever respect that cop. He was interested in safety!

 

bradruth

Lifer
Aug 9, 2002
13,479
2
81
Cops wonder why the public is turning on them...

No we don't, and the public isn't. There always has been and always will be a segment of society that resents authority.
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
24,442
6
81
Originally posted by: Phlargo
"Police are nothing more then a money machine for the goverment then they are to protect us."

Has no one else realized that this sentence makes no sense?

It makes PERFECT sense! Which is why I moved to Somalia a year ago. No police here, AND no gun control! I've never been happier!




...psst, bradruth, if you give me a dollar I can make sure the OP gets added to your quota...
 

LikeLinus

Lifer
Jul 25, 2001
11,518
670
126
Originally posted by: FoBoT
this is like crying "entrapment!"

if they are giving tickets to people that are not speeding, then a problem exists

if they are giving tickets to people that are speeding, then i don't see a problem

Really? Well they've done the same thing in Nashville. There was a huge push from the new chief of police to give out tickets. The problem is Briley Parkeway has been worked on for over 4 years. The REAL problem is the construction company up and quick and there had not been any work on it in over a year. They kept the MPH at construction speeds for the whole year and setup speed traps on parts of the highway. People didn't do freaking 45 because it's NOT A FREAKING CONSTRUCTION ZONE!!!! They were charging people 500 a pop for "speeding in a construction zone", EVEN though the city was in the process of SUING the construction company for stopping the job and up and leaving town.

Not to mention that my son and I got a speeding ticket on the way back from a Titans game for doing 65 in a 45 (another highway, 65N - a "construction zone" - one that has been going on for over 6-8 years) because I merged from another highway ontop 65 and there were NO speed limit signs for the reduction in speed, they were on down the road. Going from an interstate that's 70 to a 45 and there's no signs or construction. I get a ticket and the cop didn't seem to care there was no posted speed limit from one highway to the other.

When I went to traffic court, that's when I heard about all the complaints about Briley Parkway. I don't personally drive it often, but apparently a lot of people there did. Cops are just abusing the situation.

You get the point. Police do their own thing sometimes. I resepect what they do, but there's a point sometimes where they don't play fair.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
41,920
2,161
126
My wife has been a police officer for 15 years. She's never had a quota to fill for tickets.

Major cities don't do this. The Highway Patrol or small hick towns might though.
 

ailetlvo

Member
Jul 24, 2005
174
0
0
Quotas are ridiculous. Especially when you get pulled over for the crappiest reason only 'cause it's the end of the month and that effin' copper has to make his quota.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
17,986
1,388
126
We will have a vote this weekend whether to renew a sale tax for police/firefighter pay raise. Kinda funny how low key the police were in the last few weeks.

The local news showed at 10 p.m. the chief pulled over some folks for speeding and only gave them warnings. What a nice fella...LOL.

What even more funny is the last time when we went to vote for that same sale tax, the police were very low key. But when the sale tax pass, the police were all over the tv ad and showed how touch they are with "Operation Seatbelt".
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
21,503
9
0
Originally posted by: Fritzo
My wife has been a police officer for 15 years. She's never had a quota to fill for tickets.

Major cities don't do this. The Highway Patrol or small hick towns might though.


Yea they don;t have quotas but I bet if she did not write a single ticket for the month she would be pulled to the side or checked on.

My grandfather said things were changing when he left the force decades ago. Use to be if you wrote a ticket no thing. But when he was leaving them would make mention of who wrote the most. Who was "not keeping up". etc... and that was 20+ years ago. Current cops I know say it is the same or worse.

 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
41,920
2,161
126
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Fritzo
My wife has been a police officer for 15 years. She's never had a quota to fill for tickets.

Major cities don't do this. The Highway Patrol or small hick towns might though.


Yea they don;t have quotas but I bet if she did not write a single ticket for the month she would be pulled to the side or checked on.

My grandfather said things were changing when he left the force decades ago. Use to be if you wrote a ticket no thing. But when he was leaving them would make mention of who wrote the most. Who was "not keeping up". etc... and that was 20+ years ago. Current cops I know say it is the same or worse.


It's impossible not to write tickets. In fact, that's what usually leads to major arrests. The pattern is as follows:

1) Driver has broken/no tail lights, obscructed license plate, so something similar while driving a POS car.
2) Pull over to check out, 9/10 times driver has no drivers license. Gives fake name.
3) Friend in car screws up, get ID out of driver and passenger, they have warrants or have drugs on them.
4) They go to jail.

She said she writes a speeding ticket about once a month. Most of her tickets are things light running red lights or extreme vehicle violations.
 

Gillbot

Lifer
Jan 11, 2001
28,830
17
81
Originally posted by: FoBoT
this is like crying "entrapment!"

if they are giving tickets to people that are not speeding, then a problem exists

if they are giving tickets to people that are speeding, then i don't see a problem

+1
 

Krazy4Real

Lifer
Oct 3, 2003
12,221
55
91
I know that a lot of people here don't have an issue with a cop giving a ticket for speeding, but I feel there are certain circumstances where it starts to get ridiculous. There's a road that I travel on everday to get to and from work. There is a point on that road where it is 3 lanes going in each direction, but the speed limit changes from 45 to 35. There almost always is a cop right after that point with somebody pulled over. It usually is some middle aged man or woman driving a car like a nissan sentra. They end up getting tickets for going 45 in a 35 since they didn't react in time. I'm sorry, but that really pisses me off. How is that going to help the general public?
 

Gillbot

Lifer
Jan 11, 2001
28,830
17
81
Do you know how many drug transporters are busted over something trivial like speeding or a license plate bulb out? The statistics would probably shock you.
 

bradruth

Lifer
Aug 9, 2002
13,479
2
81
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea they don;t have quotas but I bet if she did not write a single ticket for the month she would be pulled to the side or checked on.

My grandfather said things were changing when he left the force decades ago. Use to be if you wrote a ticket no thing. But when he was leaving them would make mention of who wrote the most. Who was "not keeping up". etc... and that was 20+ years ago. Current cops I know say it is the same or worse.

Let's say you're a cook at a local fast food joint. At the end of the month your boss tallies up your work and sees that you haven't made one burger all month. You think there'd be a little problem?
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
21,503
9
0
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea they don;t have quotas but I bet if she did not write a single ticket for the month she would be pulled to the side or checked on.

My grandfather said things were changing when he left the force decades ago. Use to be if you wrote a ticket no thing. But when he was leaving them would make mention of who wrote the most. Who was "not keeping up". etc... and that was 20+ years ago. Current cops I know say it is the same or worse.

Let's say you're a cook at a local fast food joint. At the end of the month your boss tallies up your work and sees that you haven't made one burger all month. You think there'd be a little problem?



WOW!!! So a cops job is to make numbers? Here and I thought it was to serve and protect, not be a ticket machine. But I guess we know what cops really think. Thanks
 

bradruth

Lifer
Aug 9, 2002
13,479
2
81
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
WOW!!! So a cops job is to make numbers? Here and I thought it was to serve and protect, not be a ticket machine. But I guess we know what cops really think. Thanks

If you don't cite ANYBODY in a MONTH you either work in an area where very little happens or you're just not doing any work at all.