Cop vs. Skateboarders

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: NaOH
I don't really see how the cop is in the wrong. He probably came there just to tell them to go away.

Ya, ignore the rape and murder and robbery going on every day! Get those goddamn skateboarding menaces!

Ummmm, rape, murder, and robbery are not being ignored. I'm always happy when the police take action against things such as this that impact upon the quality of my life. I don't care if they're riding down the street or riding down the sidewalk. I don't care if they're riding around in an empty parking lot. And, I don't think most other people care either. But, as soon as they start destroying property, which they do, they are affecting the rest of us. Once enough of them are destroying property, then the solution is very simple - simply outlaw skateboarding. Sorry to the skateboarders who aren't infringing on the rights of others, but a large enough number of the people engaged in that activity have ruined it for the rest of them.

And, Nik, when you stop to think about it, as soon as it's illegal, assuming the number of people engaging in vandalism while riding drops (and with enough cops doing exactly what that cop did - efficiently dealing with one group), it'll free up more officers long term who don't have to answer as many calls about vandalism.

Are you seriously suggesting a link between skating and vandalism? Let's see your figures Dr. Sociology.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: WA261
Fuck that. Little tard fucks, fucking with police. They/he deserves what he got. Kids do not need to be doing this shit. Kids have ZERO respect. They need their asses kicked.

The truth comes out. Attitude straight out of Scooby Doo.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Man it must suck being a cop in the USA where every douche nozzle amrchair warrior dickhole like JDawg questions every little thing you do, even when it's totally reasonable by anyone's standards. There was nothing excessive or unreasonable in that video. Period.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Nik
...

You don't get a ticket for mouthing off to the cop. ...

They can find a reason for ANYTHING...
Disturbing the peace
Disorderly conduct
And something else I can't recall.

It's called officer discretion, which is a concept people have a hard time grasping and/or accepting at times.

What a police officer may typically give thousands of warnings for, a person's behavior may very well convince the officer to give them a citation or even arrest them depending on the circumstances. Just as officers have that option to CUT you a break, they have the option to NOT CUT you a break. A police officer, if they wanted, could issue citations on every traffic stop they make and there is nothing legally wrong with that behavior. After all, you broke the law and you got caught doing it.

I could go into a long debate over this and bring up many more points but:

1) I'm tired
2) I've given more attention to this jbourne77 (resident ATOT cop hater) thread than it deserves

The issue at hand isn't the citation or even the arrest... it's the unnecessary use of force. This has nothing to do with anyone being a "cop hater" and everything to do with an obvious abuse of authority. But please... stick to your generalizations: I'm sure it makes your life simpler.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Man it must suck being a cop in the USA where every douche nozzle amrchair warrior dickhole like JDawg questions every little thing you do, even when it's totally reasonable by anyone's standards. There was nothing excessive or unreasonable in that video. Period.

The cop escalated the situation. The situation was under control and everyone was fine, and the cop had to goad the kid "what's wrong? ashamed of what you did?"

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Nik
...

You don't get a ticket for mouthing off to the cop. ...

They can find a reason for ANYTHING...
Disturbing the peace
Disorderly conduct
And something else I can't recall.

It's called officer discretion, which is a concept people have a hard time grasping and/or accepting at times.

What a police officer may typically give thousands of warnings for, a person's behavior may very well convince the officer to give them a citation or even arrest them depending on the circumstances. Just as officers have that option to CUT you a break, they have the option to NOT CUT you a break. A police officer, if they wanted, could issue citations on every traffic stop they make and there is nothing legally wrong with that behavior. After all, you broke the law and you got caught doing it.

I could go into a long debate over this and bring up many more points but:

1) I'm tired
2) I've given more attention to this jbourne77 (resident ATOT cop hater) thread than it deserves

The issue at hand isn't the citation or even the arrest... it's the unnecessary use of force. This has nothing to do with anyone being a "cop hater" and everything to do with an obvious abuse of authority. But please... stick to your generalizations: I'm sure it makes your life simpler.

well, hold on now. Your OP only speaks in general terms about a "massive powertrip" without limiting itself to the arm twist/bar/whatever you want to call it.

Are you then saying that you're not questioning the arrest? Just the "use of force"?

Just trying to figure out where your opinion lies on this.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
@ everyone defending the cop.

What changed from the time that the cop decided a warning was suitable to the time where he needed to arrest him?

Its called officer discretion.

He was going to give the kids a break, something he is not obligated to do as they BROKE THE LAW. The kid, instead of being grateful for getting a break when he COULD be going to jail for the offense, calls him a "fucking dick". The officer then decides to arrest him for the crime he DID IN FACT ACTUALLY COMMIT.

Why cut someone slack that is behaving that way when you aren't obligated to?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Nik
...

You don't get a ticket for mouthing off to the cop. ...

They can find a reason for ANYTHING...
Disturbing the peace
Disorderly conduct
And something else I can't recall.

It's called officer discretion, which is a concept people have a hard time grasping and/or accepting at times.

What a police officer may typically give thousands of warnings for, a person's behavior may very well convince the officer to give them a citation or even arrest them depending on the circumstances. Just as officers have that option to CUT you a break, they have the option to NOT CUT you a break. A police officer, if they wanted, could issue citations on every traffic stop they make and there is nothing legally wrong with that behavior. After all, you broke the law and you got caught doing it.

I could go into a long debate over this and bring up many more points but:

1) I'm tired
2) I've given more attention to this jbourne77 (resident ATOT cop hater) thread than it deserves

The issue at hand isn't the citation or even the arrest... it's the unnecessary use of force. This has nothing to do with anyone being a "cop hater" and everything to do with an obvious abuse of authority. But please... stick to your generalizations: I'm sure it makes your life simpler.

well, hold on now. Your OP only speaks in general terms about a "massive powertrip" without limiting itself to the arm twist/bar/whatever you want to call it.

Are you then saying that you're not questioning the arrest? Just the "use of force"?

Just trying to figure out where your opinion lies on this.

Correct. The armbar would be the excessive use of force. What part of his post is so damn confusing? :roll:

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Nik
...

You don't get a ticket for mouthing off to the cop. ...

They can find a reason for ANYTHING...
Disturbing the peace
Disorderly conduct
And something else I can't recall.

It's called officer discretion, which is a concept people have a hard time grasping and/or accepting at times.

What a police officer may typically give thousands of warnings for, a person's behavior may very well convince the officer to give them a citation or even arrest them depending on the circumstances. Just as officers have that option to CUT you a break, they have the option to NOT CUT you a break. A police officer, if they wanted, could issue citations on every traffic stop they make and there is nothing legally wrong with that behavior. After all, you broke the law and you got caught doing it.

I could go into a long debate over this and bring up many more points but:

1) I'm tired
2) I've given more attention to this jbourne77 (resident ATOT cop hater) thread than it deserves

The issue at hand isn't the citation or even the arrest... it's the unnecessary use of force. This has nothing to do with anyone being a "cop hater" and everything to do with an obvious abuse of authority. But please... stick to your generalizations: I'm sure it makes your life simpler.

Ok, show me a thread you've started supporting police actions, then I will stop calling you a cop hater.

What use of force? The maneuver the officer did is a common handcuffing technique to use in order to gain compliance when someone is resisting. But please.... act like you know everything about the law. Im sure it makes your life happier.

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus


well, hold on now. Your OP only speaks in general terms about a "massive powertrip" without limiting itself to the arm twist/bar/whatever you want to call it.

Are you then saying that you're not questioning the arrest? Just the "use of force"?

Just trying to figure out where your opinion lies on this.

Correct. The armbar would be the excessive use of force. What part of his post is so damn confusing? :roll:

Oh hai, jbourne... didn't realize you changed your avatar and your name. To the real jbourne - I'm simply asking whether you share in some of the opinions expressed here that cop had no right to arrest the kid, escalated the situation himself by talking down to the kid, etc. ...

- or -

is your only problem with the "use of force" (the arm twist and the supposed off camera kick in the ass).

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus


well, hold on now. Your OP only speaks in general terms about a "massive powertrip" without limiting itself to the arm twist/bar/whatever you want to call it.

Are you then saying that you're not questioning the arrest? Just the "use of force"?

Just trying to figure out where your opinion lies on this.

Correct. The armbar would be the excessive use of force. What part of his post is so damn confusing? :roll:

Oh hai, jbourne... didn't realize you changed your avatar and your name. To the real jbourne - I'm simply asking whether you share in some of the opinions expressed here that cop had no right to arrest the kid, escalated the situation himself by talking down to the kid, etc. ...

- or -

is your only problem with the "use of force" (the arm twist and the supposed off camera kick in the ass).

Maybe you should read the entire goddamn thread where this is thoroughly covered.

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus


well, hold on now. Your OP only speaks in general terms about a "massive powertrip" without limiting itself to the arm twist/bar/whatever you want to call it.

Are you then saying that you're not questioning the arrest? Just the "use of force"?

Just trying to figure out where your opinion lies on this.

Correct. The armbar would be the excessive use of force. What part of his post is so damn confusing? :roll:

Oh hai, jbourne... didn't realize you changed your avatar and your name. To the real jbourne - I'm simply asking whether you share in some of the opinions expressed here that cop had no right to arrest the kid, escalated the situation himself by talking down to the kid, etc. ...

- or -

is your only problem with the "use of force" (the arm twist and the supposed off camera kick in the ass).

Maybe you should read the entire goddamn thread where this is thoroughly covered.

Might want to take the nerves down a couple notches there, buddy. And yes, this time I'm talking to the guy with his panties bunched up so tightly his face is turning purple (that would be you, Nik, in case there's any confusion on the subject).

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Ok, show me a thread you've started supporting police actions, then I will stop calling you a cop hater.

That is so ridiculous that it's laughable. We must have a lot of cop haters in this forum, then, since I haven't seen many people balance every "hey, that's not right" comment with "I love cops they are the bees knees" comment :laugh: . Contrary to you calling me a cop hater, it just looks to me like you take issue with anyone who takes issue with a cop's behavior. You've made no attempt to be objective regarding any aspect of this scenario, as evidenced by you trying to stick so neatly to "officer discretion" even though that's not at all what this thread is about. Either you fail at the reading comprehension or you fail at the objectivity... possibly both.

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
What use of force? The maneuver the officer did is a common handcuffing technique to use in order to gain compliance when someone is resisting.

Already addressed: there was no resistance at all. You are fabricating that out of thin air to justify the use of force... and I see you've entirely skirted the whole "kicking a cuffed suspect" aspect. :roll:

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
But please.... act like you know everything about the law. Im sure it makes your life happier.

I never made any such claim, nor did I imply this. Now you're just rolling.

Stop being stupid.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Wheezer
see the problem here is that we do not know what happened BEFORE the camera started rolling, perhaps this smart ass kid had been pushing the envelope and the officer had been maintaining his cool prior to this kid being a smart ass.

Juniors final comments were the straw that broke the camels back and the officer decided that enough was enough.

He did nothing wrong, as soon ad the officer grabbed him and put his arm behind his back and the kid fought against it, he was resisting arrest....period. The more the kid resisted the more force the officer would apply and therefore possibly breaking the kids arm, so the cop was giving a warning....nothing wrong with that.

The moral of the story: keep your fucking mouth shut, don't be a smart ass and comply with the cops, want to argue your case?...take it to court.

What would the relevance of that be?


Pain was inflicted and it's a natural reaction to fight it. The officer used more force than necessary.



What if a cop put your hand on a hot stove then yelled at you for pulling it away and then you had resisting arrest thrown on top of your charges? Fair, right?

damn you are stupid.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus


well, hold on now. Your OP only speaks in general terms about a "massive powertrip" without limiting itself to the arm twist/bar/whatever you want to call it.

Are you then saying that you're not questioning the arrest? Just the "use of force"?

Just trying to figure out where your opinion lies on this.

Correct. The armbar would be the excessive use of force. What part of his post is so damn confusing? :roll:

Oh hai, jbourne... didn't realize you changed your avatar and your name. To the real jbourne - I'm simply asking whether you share in some of the opinions expressed here that cop had no right to arrest the kid, escalated the situation himself by talking down to the kid, etc. ...

- or -

is your only problem with the "use of force" (the arm twist and the supposed off camera kick in the ass).

Maybe you should read the entire goddamn thread where this is thoroughly covered.

MartyMcFly3 already stomped your dick in the dirt. why do you continue to dig your own grave on a subject you dont know a damn thing about except for your emotional response?

 

[MartyMcFly3]

1. Every thread I've personally seen you create has been an anti-cop thread. If FuseTalk wasn't so messed up I'd show you this. As for the "officer discretion" portion of this thread, many have mentioned the legality of the arrest; I wasnt responding to you.

2. The officer got the person up from the ground, using a common arm-lock escorting technique. Then the officer uses a common handcuffing technique. This is not violating the use of force. The one point I WILL agree with is where the officer saying "Resist me again and I will break your arm like a fucking twig" That was obviously not very professional. As for the "kick" you can't say either way whether it was a push with the foot to get the subject in the car like the officer says (which is common for those refusing to get into police vehicles) or a flat out kick. Note this doesn't mean that ALL officers never do anything wrong. I'm saying in THIS situation, the officer didn't abuse the use of force.

3. I never made any flat out generalizations.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Still waiting for the answers to those questions Nik

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
@ everyone defending the cop.

What changed from the time that the cop decided a warning was suitable to the time where he needed to arrest him?

Its called officer discretion.

He was going to give the kids a break, something he is not obligated to do as they BROKE THE LAW. The kid, instead of being grateful for getting a break when he COULD be going to jail for the offense, calls him a "fucking dick". The officer then decides to arrest him for the crime he DID IN FACT ACTUALLY COMMIT.

Why cut someone slack that is behaving that way when you aren't obligated to?

OK. I get that a crime was committed. That is fact, moving on.

Officers are trained to not react to obscene gestures/comments directed at them since there are many cases protecting this speech.

So I ask, if the officers original decision on how to handle this crime was a warning, why did it escalate to arrest/detention? Why did the officer decide to skip the whole part where it's normal to simply issue a ticket like most other misdemeanors? Where was the resisting arrest to warrant the arm bar?

Taken as a whole, it's EASY to see that the officer did indeed react to being called a dick. Something he should not have done.

Was the kid stupid for testing the cops patients? Hell yeah.
Was the kid violating the law by skateboarding (regardless of how dumb it may be)? Hell yeah.
Did the cop escalate the issue just because he was called a dick? Hell yeah.

Had the cop arrested him for such speech this would be an open an shut case, right??? Why should it be any different for the handling of another case?

edit: This is perhaps the other end of the spectrum but I think I'd rather have police more like this than the one in the OP. Note, the guy in this video does get a ticket. That cop is a pure saint, I wouldn't quite expect that level, just saying more like it.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Jeeebus


well, hold on now. Your OP only speaks in general terms about a "massive powertrip" without limiting itself to the arm twist/bar/whatever you want to call it.

Are you then saying that you're not questioning the arrest? Just the "use of force"?

Just trying to figure out where your opinion lies on this.

Correct. The armbar would be the excessive use of force. What part of his post is so damn confusing? :roll:

Oh hai, jbourne... didn't realize you changed your avatar and your name. To the real jbourne - I'm simply asking whether you share in some of the opinions expressed here that cop had no right to arrest the kid, escalated the situation himself by talking down to the kid, etc. ...

- or -

is your only problem with the "use of force" (the arm twist and the supposed off camera kick in the ass).

Maybe you should read the entire goddamn thread where this is thoroughly covered.

MartyMcFly3 already stomped your dick in the dirt. why do you continue to dig your own grave on a subject you dont know a damn thing about except for your emotional response?

Because it's fun to ruffle the feathers on you sensationalistic imbeciles One single vulgarity and I'm all of a sudden some red faced psychopath. Nice.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Again why cut him the break if the kid's going to treat the officer like that? The kid talked himself into getting arrested. Maybe now he will learn from it. And yes it's a stupid law.

 

[Nik]

Because the officer should be doing something productive instead. And, you know, because he's a dick.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Again why cut him the break if the kid's going to treat the officer like that? The kid talked himself into getting arrested. Maybe now he will learn from it. And yes it's a stupid law.

Who said give him a break? Write a ticket and be done with it.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
1. Every thread I've personally seen you create has been an anti-cop thread. If FuseTalk wasn't so messed up I'd show you this.

Fusetalk isn't messed up, your narrow-minded subjective brain is. What a dumb claim to make. Here, even though the burden of proof is on you, allow me... here are the first two pages of search results after searching author=jbourne77; I've selected the ones where I was the thread originator, since that's what your claim is:

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No cop-bashing at all. And I'll even do you one better: here's a cop-specific thread where I defend - rather adamantly, I might add - Officer Crowley's actions toward Henry Gates:

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Troll someone else Marty McTrollPants.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
1. Every thread I've personally seen you create has been an anti-cop thread. If FuseTalk wasn't so messed up I'd show you this.

Fusetalk isn't messed up, your narrow-minded subjective brain is. What a dumb claim to make. Here, even though the burden of proof is on you, allow me... here are the first two pages of search results after searching author=jbourne77; I've selected the ones where I was the thread originator, since that's what your claim is:

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No cop-bashing at all. And I'll even do you one better: here's a cop-specific thread where I defend - rather adamantly, I might add - Officer Crowley's actions toward Henry Gates:

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Troll someone else Marty McTrollPants.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
1. Every thread I've personally seen you create has been an anti-cop thread. If FuseTalk wasn't so messed up I'd show you this.

Fusetalk isn't messed up, your narrow-minded subjective brain is. What a dumb claim to make. Here, even though the burden of proof is on you, allow me... here are the first two pages of search results after searching author=jbourne77; I've selected the ones where I was the thread originator, since that's what your claim is:

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No cop-bashing at all. And I'll even do you one better: here's a cop-specific thread where I defend - rather adamantly, I might add - Officer Crowley's actions toward Henry Gates:

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Troll someone else Marty McTrollPants.

Haha. Owned.