Cop vs. Skateboarders

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: skulkingghost
Cop was not a dick at all

Kids:
Skateboarding where they are not allowed
Pried up vents
Grinded rails / vandalism

Cop:
Let them all off
Arrested kid who mouthed off after being given a break
Kid resists arrest officer kicks or knees him in the butt in to the car

So the cop said he would snap his arm, it was probably right, cops have a right to physical defense if the subject is resisting arrest

*sigh*

What would he be defending himself from if someone was resisting arrest?

 

[CZroe]

My twin brother doesn't even skate and yet he suffered the wrath of cop vs. skateboarder. He took a couple friends to an empty parking lot that they often skated in after-hours. The officer that was usually there (and OK with it) was not there. Instead, this douche was. He told my brother's two friends that they couldn't skate and had to leave. My brother never saw the cop, was never skating, and was never told to leave. He was in the car using the laptop the whole time.

His two friends got in the car and told him that they had to leave, which he did. After getting some fast food or something he later decided that he would go back and talk to the officer himself, explaining that they were normally allowed to skate there and that they apologize for any misunderstanding. Because they were told to leave, this made my brother's two friends in the car uncomfortable but he assured them that the officer had never even seen him and that there was nothing wrong with him returning to talk to the officer.

My brother drove the car through the lot looking for the officer, spotted at him, waved, and then realized that the officer was now beckoning him and pointing, commanding that he come there and stop the car (as if that wasn't where he was already heading).

The officer flipped out. Patting him down, threatening to arrest, calling in other officers, demanding that he answer personal questions about his family ("Who's your father?!" - "I've never met him. I don't have a father." - "What?! Were you hatched or somethin'?!"). He eventually told my brother to get in the back of the squad car so he finally talked back saying "Why? You can't arrest me. I haven't done anything." Don't ever tell a cop that he can't arrest you. After that, he threw the cuffs on and had another officer take him. The other officer looked totally confused with a "do you really plan to go through with this power-trip and arrest this guy?" look on his face, but he put my brother in anyway without reading him his rights (probably thought they were just going to let him go after scaring him).

That was just before midnight on his birthday so he spent the first several hours of his birthday in jail (stayed the night). We couldn't get him out until late morning. The charge? Prowling and loitering. Why would a prowler SEEK OUT a cop if he were truly prowling?! How does one loiter in a MOVING car?! We couldn't get his answers to these questions because he didn't show up in court. The case was thrown out. The officer was excused because he was supposedly in the hospital in a full-body cast but we saw him shopping at Wal-Mart the next week.

 

[kami333]

I called campus security on some skateboards tonight

They were skateboarding in the parking garage and I almost ran them over (or they almost ran into my car considering I was almost stopped) when I went around the switchback. Although I do have to say these are smarter than the ones who are usually there since there's a group that skateboards in the garage around 5ish, when a bunch of people get off work. At least the guys today waited until later when it was less crowded.

 

[Wheezer]

see the problem here is that we do not know what happened BEFORE the camera started rolling, perhaps this smart ass kid had been pushing the envelope and the officer had been maintaining his cool prior to this kid being a smart ass.

Juniors final comments were the straw that broke the camels back and the officer decided that enough was enough.

He did nothing wrong, as soon ad the officer grabbed him and put his arm behind his back and the kid fought against it, he was resisting arrest....period. The more the kid resisted the more force the officer would apply and therefore possibly breaking the kids arm, so the cop was giving a warning....nothing wrong with that.

The moral of the story: keep your fucking mouth shut, don't be a smart ass and comply with the cops, want to argue your case?...take it to court.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

Are you really this stupid? Police officers are trained (and required) to act certain ways in certain situations. They're specifically trained NOT to react this way to something as simple as an insult. There are levels of escalation required by the civilian before the officer is allowed to respond with certain levels of physical violence. Calling a cop a dick isn't one of them.

JLee posted an image a few months ago that shows the level of escalation that a police officer is allowed to use and the requirements that the assailant must first commit before they're allowed to do so.

Butch, educate your ignorant ass before you continue commenting, please.

Nik, live in the real world before you keep commenting, in my world calling a cop a "DICK" while he's in the process of letting you off with a warning gets you in trouble. On planet Nik I guess you can call a cop any insult you like without repercussion.

The problem is you're justifying things with "well he was a douche, so he deserved it." You're rationalizing the whole thing based on human nature. If someone cuts me off and brake checks me and I'm in a Hummer, I should just crash into them and make sure I drive them and kill them in the process. I shouldn't even brake. If someone cuts me off, I should cut them off too and brake check then and hope they end up under my Hummer. If someone calls me a dick, I have a right like Safeway does to pull out my gun and show him what it's like to be a real dick.

Human nature and natural reactions or whatever don't count as legal. If someone murders my family do I have a right to show up at his doorstep and cut out his balls? Or do I call the cops if I knew who it was?

There's what we would like see happen and there's what SHOULD be done. What should be done is that the cop stay professional the entire time and ACT in a professional manner. This is a kid. Do you have to sink down to his lowly level too?

Some people here..

The kid got what he deserved. 99% of cops do NOT want to take people in for petty crime. That just means more paperwork and office hours for them. If you mind your own business and do not disrespect a police officer, you can get away with most petty crimes. Without a doubt.

The cop had indisputable proof a crime was committed. The kid was guilty. So was everyone else. It was completely obvious the cop was just going to let them off. People such as the subject in this video are just too stupid for their own good.

He was in the wrong, cop was going to let him off, and he sent himself to jail.

Good cop. No doubt. :thumbsup:

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
see the problem here is that we do not know what happened BEFORE the camera started rolling, perhaps this smart ass kid had been pushing the envelope and the officer had been maintaining his cool prior to this kid being a smart ass.

Juniors final comments were the straw that broke the camels back and the officer decided that enough was enough.

He did nothing wrong, as soon ad the officer grabbed him and put his arm behind his back and the kid fought against it, he was resisting arrest....period. The more the kid resisted the more force the officer would apply and therefore possibly breaking the kids arm, so the cop was giving a warning....nothing wrong with that.

The moral of the story: keep your fucking mouth shut, don't be a smart ass and comply with the cops, want to argue your case?...take it to court.

What would the relevance of that be?


Pain was inflicted and it's a natural reaction to fight it. The officer used more force than necessary.



What if a cop put your hand on a hot stove then yelled at you for pulling it away and then you had resisting arrest thrown on top of your charges? Fair, right?

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx


Some people here..

The kid got what he deserved. 99% of cops do NOT want to take people in for petty crime. That just means more paperwork and office hours for them. If you mind your own business and do not disrespect a police officer, you can get away with most petty crimes. Without a doubt.

The cop had indisputable proof a crime was committed. The kid was guilty. So was everyone else. It was completely obvious the cop was just going to let them off. People such as the subject in this video are just too stupid for their own good.

He was in the wrong, cop was going to let him off, and he sent himself to jail.

Good cop. No doubt. :thumbsup:

Nobody is upset about the kid being arrested. It's the procedure of the officer that's in question.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Wheezer
see the problem here is that we do not know what happened BEFORE the camera started rolling, perhaps this smart ass kid had been pushing the envelope and the officer had been maintaining his cool prior to this kid being a smart ass.

Juniors final comments were the straw that broke the camels back and the officer decided that enough was enough.

He did nothing wrong, as soon ad the officer grabbed him and put his arm behind his back and the kid fought against it, he was resisting arrest....period. The more the kid resisted the more force the officer would apply and therefore possibly breaking the kids arm, so the cop was giving a warning....nothing wrong with that.

The moral of the story: keep your fucking mouth shut, don't be a smart ass and comply with the cops, want to argue your case?...take it to court.

What would the relevance of that be?


Pain was inflicted and it's a natural reaction to fight it. The officer used more force than necessary.



What if a cop put your hand on a hot stove then yelled at you for pulling it away and then you had resisting arrest thrown on top of your charges? Fair, right?

This is NOTHING like what happened. Not relevant and it's not going to happen. The officer looked very gentle in the arrest too. I work in Loss prevention and when I see officers arrest people that I don't feel safe enough to do so, they literally drop them the moment they resist.

This is a baby blanket arrest. Nothing happened.

Edit: Even when people resist me, I'm a hell of a lot more physical. Sure I don't threat, I just do. The person is a criminal who is resisting arrest. no other way to look at it. Arrest the punk and take the shit off the streets.

This is coming from a former skater. Don't do it where you are not supposed to.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Skateboarding should not be a crime. That cop has better things to do than hassle skateboarders.

Cops HAVE to do something outside of racially profiling people from time to time. Skateboarders are the only reason black and Mexican people get any off time from getting fucked with. I'm sure a cops wet dream would be running into a group of ethnic skateboarders.

:roll:

What's the face for? 90% of my friends in high school were either black, Mexican or skaters. The cops fucked with them all the time like it was the thing to do. Why do you think tee-shirts and stickers that say "Skateboarding is not a crime" were so big? I understood while cops fucked with my black friends, but I never really got while they would make tears at the skaters I knew. I'm not saying this was all cops, but the ones who fucked with people simply because they could, always targeted minorities or skaters.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Wheezer
see the problem here is that we do not know what happened BEFORE the camera started rolling, perhaps this smart ass kid had been pushing the envelope and the officer had been maintaining his cool prior to this kid being a smart ass.

Juniors final comments were the straw that broke the camels back and the officer decided that enough was enough.

He did nothing wrong, as soon ad the officer grabbed him and put his arm behind his back and the kid fought against it, he was resisting arrest....period. The more the kid resisted the more force the officer would apply and therefore possibly breaking the kids arm, so the cop was giving a warning....nothing wrong with that.

The moral of the story: keep your fucking mouth shut, don't be a smart ass and comply with the cops, want to argue your case?...take it to court.

What would the relevance of that be?


Pain was inflicted and it's a natural reaction to fight it. The officer used more force than necessary.



What if a cop put your hand on a hot stove then yelled at you for pulling it away and then you had resisting arrest thrown on top of your charges? Fair, right?

This is NOTHING like what happened. Not relevant and it's not going to happen. The officer looked very gentle in the arrest too. I work in Loss prevention and when I see officers arrest people that I don't feel safe enough to do so, they literally drop them the moment they resist.

This is a baby blanket arrest. Nothing happened.

Edit: Even when people resist me, I'm a hell of a lot more physical. Sure I don't threat, I just do. The person is a criminal who is resisting arrest. no other way to look at it. Arrest the punk and take the shit off the streets.

This is coming from a former skater. Don't do it where you are not supposed to.

And how do you know what kind of pain the kid was feeling? Comparative to a hot stove maybe? When a kid half your size is sitting on the ground in full compliance and you yank him up and manipulate his shoulder in a way that causes discomfort, you are in the wrong. It was completely unnecessary. Calling the kid a "criminal who is resisting arrest" is hardly accurate. What if it was a 92 year old great grandmother sitting on the curb calling the cop a dick, would you feel the same way? The cop wasn't on a "power trip". He got pissed off, overreacted, and used more force than necessary. A good cop should not get pissed off, overreact, or use excessive force. Yes, they are human just like everyone else, but they are held to a much higher standard. If the guy can't even handle a 13 year old skateboarder properly, then he's in the wrong career field.

 

[Mike Gayner]

I'm sorry but I dont see what the cop did wrong here.

edit: The bigger question is, why is it ILLEGAL to skateboard? Doesn't that seem a little authoritarian?

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
I'm sorry but I dont see what the cop did wrong here.

edit: The bigger question is, why is it ILLEGAL to skateboard? Doesn't that seem a little authoritarian?

If you, or anyone else failing to see what he did wrong, were familiar with police training and the use of force continuum, then you would see what he did wrong.

I read somewhere that it's only legal to skateboard in residential areas in San Francisco. I guess it's because they are a hazard to pedestrians.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Yes JDawg, we get it, you are a police training expert with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, the cop acted totally reasonably, and did not do anything which a reasonable person would expect to causes significant pain.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
I read somewhere that it's only legal to skateboard in residential areas in San Francisco. I guess it's because they are a hazard to pedestrians.

That's fucking ridiculous. I'm not a hazard to anyone, I've never even been close to hitting someone on my skateboard and I'm not even a good skater.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Yes JDawg, we get it, you are a police training expert with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, the cop acted totally reasonably, and did not do anything which a reasonable person would expect to causes significant pain.

Yeah, a chip on my shoulder for cops who give good cops a bad name. You think he acted totally reasonably based on what? Your opinion? Luckily we have rules, laws, and procedures that negate your "opinion".

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Yes JDawg, we get it, you are a police training expert with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, the cop acted totally reasonably, and did not do anything which a reasonable person would expect to causes significant pain.

Yeah, a chip on my shoulder for cops who give good cops a bad name. You think he acted totally reasonably based on what? Your opinion? Luckily we have rules, laws, and procedures that negate your "opinion".

And thankfully you're an expert on these rules based on what you've read on the internet.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Yes JDawg, we get it, you are a police training expert with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, the cop acted totally reasonably, and did not do anything which a reasonable person would expect to causes significant pain.

Yeah, a chip on my shoulder for cops who give good cops a bad name. You think he acted totally reasonably based on what? Your opinion? Luckily we have rules, laws, and procedures that negate your "opinion".

And thankfully you're an expert on these rules based on what you've read on the internet.

Because you would know how qualified I am? Has anything I said been wrong? Oh yeah... I forgot.... you wouldn't know. =/

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Yes JDawg, we get it, you are a police training expert with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, the cop acted totally reasonably, and did not do anything which a reasonable person would expect to causes significant pain.

Yeah, a chip on my shoulder for cops who give good cops a bad name. You think he acted totally reasonably based on what? Your opinion? Luckily we have rules, laws, and procedures that negate your "opinion".

And thankfully you're an expert on these rules based on what you've read on the internet.

Because you would know how qualified I am? Has anything I said been wrong? Oh yeah... I forgot.... you wouldn't know. =/

You're such an internet hero.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: CZroe
My twin brother doesn't even skate and yet he suffered the wrath of cop vs. skateboarder. He took a couple friends to an empty parking lot that they often skated in after-hours. The officer that was usually there (and OK with it) was not there. Instead, this douche was. He told my brother's two friends that they couldn't skate and had to leave. My brother never saw the cop, was never skating, and was never told to leave. He was in the car using the laptop the whole time.

His two friends got in the car and told him that they had to leave, which he did. After getting some fast food or something he later decided that he would go back and talk to the officer himself, explaining that they were normally allowed to skate there and that they apologize for any misunderstanding. Because they were told to leave, this made my brother's two friends in the car uncomfortable but he assured them that the officer had never even seen him and that there was nothing wrong with him returning to talk to the officer.

My brother drove the car through the lot looking for the officer, spotted at him, waved, and then realized that the officer was now beckoning him and pointing, commanding that he come there and stop the car (as if that wasn't where he was already heading).

The officer flipped out. Patting him down, threatening to arrest, calling in other officers, demanding that he answer personal questions about his family ("Who's your father?!" - "I've never met him. I don't have a father." - "What?! Were you hatched or somethin'?!"). He eventually told my brother to get in the back of the squad car so he finally talked back saying "Why? You can't arrest me. I haven't done anything." Don't ever tell a cop that he can't arrest you. After that, he threw the cuffs on and had another officer take him. The other officer looked totally confused with a "do you really plan to go through with this power-trip and arrest this guy?" look on his face, but he put my brother in anyway without reading him his rights (probably thought they were just going to let him go after scaring him).

That was just before midnight on his birthday so he spent the first several hours of his birthday in jail (stayed the night). We couldn't get him out until late morning. The charge? Prowling and loitering. Why would a prowler SEEK OUT a cop if he were truly prowling?! How does one loiter in a MOVING car?! We couldn't get his answers to these questions because he didn't show up in court. The case was thrown out. The officer was excused because he was supposedly in the hospital in a full-body cast but we saw him shopping at Wal-Mart the next week.

wow that sucks
Why did the officer flip out though? Doesn't make sense.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Yes JDawg, we get it, you are a police training expert with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, the cop acted totally reasonably, and did not do anything which a reasonable person would expect to causes significant pain.

Yeah, a chip on my shoulder for cops who give good cops a bad name. You think he acted totally reasonably based on what? Your opinion? Luckily we have rules, laws, and procedures that negate your "opinion".

And thankfully you're an expert on these rules based on what you've read on the internet.

Because you would know how qualified I am? Has anything I said been wrong? Oh yeah... I forgot.... you wouldn't know. =/

You're such an internet hero.

And you're such a zero. How are you going to question someone's knowledge on a topic when you have ZERO knowledge of it yourself?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Yes JDawg, we get it, you are a police training expert with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, the cop acted totally reasonably, and did not do anything which a reasonable person would expect to causes significant pain.

Yeah, a chip on my shoulder for cops who give good cops a bad name. You think he acted totally reasonably based on what? Your opinion? Luckily we have rules, laws, and procedures that negate your "opinion".

And thankfully you're an expert on these rules based on what you've read on the internet.

Because you would know how qualified I am? Has anything I said been wrong? Oh yeah... I forgot.... you wouldn't know. =/

You're such an internet hero.

He's right. The officer isn't allowed to escalate to that level of physicality without the subject first escalating the issue with very specific actions that this subject did not do. The cop escalated the issue without proper provocation and is therefore in the wrong in how he handled it. Nobody's debating whether the skateboarder was breaking the law or not. Reading comprehension for the win.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Farang
Cop seems like a good enough guy. He has a little fucktard mouthing off at him so he chooses to go by the letter of the law, do his job, and get the situation over with so he can go about his day. He certainly could have acted more professionally but he's human, just some guy trying to do his job while a bunch of people yell at him (regardless of whether or not he would've escalated the situation, those people would've all been dicks to him for responding to a public complaint).

I usually always side against cops, too. I've had bad experiences and am definitely a cop hater.

The point is that he failed to go by the letter of the law, since SF law states that skateboarding is only prohibited between sunset and sunrise (due to vandalism). It was clearly not after sunset.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: Wheezer
see the problem here is that we do not know what happened BEFORE the camera started rolling, perhaps this smart ass kid had been pushing the envelope and the officer had been maintaining his cool prior to this kid being a smart ass.

Juniors final comments were the straw that broke the camels back and the officer decided that enough was enough.

He did nothing wrong, as soon ad the officer grabbed him and put his arm behind his back and the kid fought against it, he was resisting arrest....period. The more the kid resisted the more force the officer would apply and therefore possibly breaking the kids arm, so the cop was giving a warning....nothing wrong with that.

The moral of the story: keep your fucking mouth shut, don't be a smart ass and comply with the cops, want to argue your case?...take it to court.

What would the relevance of that be?


Pain was inflicted and it's a natural reaction to fight it. The officer used more force than necessary.



What if a cop put your hand on a hot stove then yelled at you for pulling it away and then you had resisting arrest thrown on top of your charges? Fair, right?

This is NOTHING like what happened. Not relevant and it's not going to happen. The officer looked very gentle in the arrest too. I work in Loss prevention and when I see officers arrest people that I don't feel safe enough to do so, they literally drop them the moment they resist.

This is a baby blanket arrest. Nothing happened.

Edit: Even when people resist me, I'm a hell of a lot more physical. Sure I don't threat, I just do. The person is a criminal who is resisting arrest. no other way to look at it. Arrest the punk and take the shit off the streets.

This is coming from a former skater. Don't do it where you are not supposed to.

And how do you know what kind of pain the kid was feeling? Comparative to a hot stove maybe? When a kid half your size is sitting on the ground in full compliance and you yank him up and manipulate his shoulder in a way that causes discomfort, you are in the wrong. It was completely unnecessary. Calling the kid a "criminal who is resisting arrest" is hardly accurate. What if it was a 92 year old great grandmother sitting on the curb calling the cop a dick, would you feel the same way? The cop wasn't on a "power trip". He got pissed off, overreacted, and used more force than necessary. A good cop should not get pissed off, overreact, or use excessive force. Yes, they are human just like everyone else, but they are held to a much higher standard. If the guy can't even handle a 13 year old skateboarder properly, then he's in the wrong career field.

You are just pulling on extremes that just don't matter. Completely unlikely situations that don't relate to what is shown here.

All the cop did was warn him, which is completely fine. Call it overreaction all you want, but it wasn't. The cop was extremely gentle. Have you ever seen an arrest in person? 8 out of 10 times the officer assaults the resisting subject to gain control. That didn't even happen here.

I have NO idea what you expected the cop to do. He seemed polite the entire time. His actions were warranted and actually what I would HOPE a cop would do to me if I was stupid enough to mouth off to a peacekeeper of our city. You just don't understand. That's all there is to it.

Try talking like that to a local cop. Your face would be on the ground in an instant.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
You are just pulling on extremes that just don't matter. Completely unlikely situations that don't relate to what is shown here.

All the cop did was warn him, which is completely fine. Call it overreaction all you want, but it wasn't. The cop was extremely gentle. Have you ever seen an arrest in person? 8 out of 10 times the officer assaults the resisting subject to gain control. That didn't even happen here.

I have NO idea what you expected the cop to do. He seemed polite the entire time. His actions were warranted and actually what I would HOPE a cop would do to me if I was stupid enough to mouth off to a peacekeeper of our city. You just don't understand. That's all there is to it.

Try talking like that to a local cop. Your face would be on the ground in an instant.

It doesn't matter how gentle the officer was. The subject didn't exhibit behavior that legally warranted the officer using physical compliance techniques.

An officer can't just go around roughing people up without proper justification.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx



You are just pulling on extremes that just don't matter. Completely unlikely situations that don't relate to what is shown here.

All the cop did was warn him, which is completely fine. Call it overreaction all you want, but it wasn't. The cop was extremely gentle. Have you ever seen an arrest in person? 8 out of 10 times the officer assaults the resisting subject to gain control. That didn't even happen here.

I have NO idea what you expected the cop to do. He seemed polite the entire time. His actions were warranted and actually what I would HOPE a cop would do to me if I was stupid enough to mouth off to a peacekeeper of our city. You just don't understand. That's all there is to it.

Try talking like that to a local cop. Your face would be on the ground in an instant.

And you think that's right?