Cop vs. Skateboarders

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

Are you really this stupid? Police officers are trained (and required) to act certain ways in certain situations. They're specifically trained NOT to react this way to something as simple as an insult. There are levels of escalation required by the civilian before the officer is allowed to respond with certain levels of physical violence. Calling a cop a dick isn't one of them.

JLee posted an image a few months ago that shows the level of escalation that a police officer is allowed to use and the requirements that the assailant must first commit before they're allowed to do so.

Butch, educate your ignorant ass before you continue commenting, please.

Nik, live in the real world before you keep commenting, in my world calling a cop a "DICK" while he's in the process of letting you off with a warning gets you in trouble. On planet Nik I guess you can call a cop any insult you like without repercussion.

The problem is you're justifying things with "well he was a douche, so he deserved it." You're rationalizing the whole thing based on human nature. If someone cuts me off and brake checks me and I'm in a Hummer, I should just crash into them and make sure I drive them and kill them in the process. I shouldn't even brake. If someone cuts me off, I should cut them off too and brake check then and hope they end up under my Hummer. If someone calls me a dick, I have a right like Safeway does to pull out my gun and show him what it's like to be a real dick.

Human nature and natural reactions or whatever don't count as legal. If someone murders my family do I have a right to show up at his doorstep and cut out his balls? Or do I call the cops if I knew who it was?

There's what we would like see happen and there's what SHOULD be done. What should be done is that the cop stay professional the entire time and ACT in a professional manner. This is a kid. Do you have to sink down to his lowly level too?

 

[JD50]

The cop didn't do anything wrong, this thread fails.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Wait a minute, it's illegal to skate anywhere in the city? That's the fucking stupidest law I've ever heard. /me is glad to live somewhere where freedom is real.

Yea, sounds like a stupid law. Not sure why it'd be illegal to skate ANYWHERE in the city and county. But that's not the cops problem.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

Are you really this stupid? Police officers are trained (and required) to act certain ways in certain situations. They're specifically trained NOT to react this way to something as simple as an insult. There are levels of escalation required by the civilian before the officer is allowed to respond with certain levels of physical violence. Calling a cop a dick isn't one of them.

JLee posted an image a few months ago that shows the level of escalation that a police officer is allowed to use and the requirements that the assailant must first commit before they're allowed to do so.

Butch, educate your ignorant ass before you continue commenting, please.

Nik, live in the real world before you keep commenting, in my world calling a cop a "DICK" while he's in the process of letting you off with a warning gets you in trouble. On planet Nik I guess you can call a cop any insult you like without repercussion.

Actually, I think you're just a silly little kid with no real understanding of how the real world works.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Skateboarding should not be a crime. That cop has better things to do than hassle skateboarders.

Cops HAVE to do something outside of racially profiling people from time to time. Skateboarders are the only reason black and Mexican people get any off time from getting fucked with. I'm sure a cops wet dream would be running into a group of ethnic skateboarders.

:roll:

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

Are you really this stupid? Police officers are trained (and required) to act certain ways in certain situations. They're specifically trained NOT to react this way to something as simple as an insult. There are levels of escalation required by the civilian before the officer is allowed to respond with certain levels of physical violence. Calling a cop a dick isn't one of them.

JLee posted an image a few months ago that shows the level of escalation that a police officer is allowed to use and the requirements that the assailant must first commit before they're allowed to do so.

Butch, educate your ignorant ass before you continue commenting, please.

Nik, live in the real world before you keep commenting, in my world calling a cop a "DICK" while he's in the process of letting you off with a warning gets you in trouble. On planet Nik I guess you can call a cop any insult you like without repercussion.

The problem is you're justifying things with "well he was a douche, so he deserved it." You're rationalizing the whole thing based on human nature. If someone cuts me off and brake checks me and I'm in a Hummer, I should just crash into them and make sure I drive them and kill them in the process. I shouldn't even brake. If someone cuts me off, I should cut them off too and brake check then and hope they end up under my Hummer. If someone calls me a dick, I have a right like Safeway does to pull out my gun and show him what it's like to be a real dick.

Human nature and natural reactions or whatever don't count as legal. If someone murders my family do I have a right to show up at his doorstep and cut out his balls? Or do I call the cops if I knew who it was?

There's what we would like see happen and there's what SHOULD be done. What should be done is that the cop stay professional the entire time and ACT in a professional manner. This is a kid. Do you have to sink down to his lowly level too?

Yes, I am rationalizing this on human nature because when you piss someone off it's always a gamble as to how they will react. If I cut you off on the highway and almost cause you and yours to get creamed should I be surprised if you follow me and thump my skull??ummm, NO! and your examples are exaggerating the hell out of it. No one was injured here this wasn't a life or death situation this was a smart-arsed kid you couldn't keep his yapper shut..

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Nik
...

You don't get a ticket for mouthing off to the cop. ...

They can find a reason for ANYTHING...
Disturbing the peace
Disorderly conduct
And something else I can't recall.

It's called officer discretion, which is a concept people have a hard time grasping and/or accepting at times.

What a police officer may typically give thousands of warnings for, a person's behavior may very well convince the officer to give them a citation or even arrest them depending on the circumstances. Just as officers have that option to CUT you a break, they have the option to NOT CUT you a break. A police officer, if they wanted, could issue citations on every traffic stop they make and there is nothing legally wrong with that behavior. After all, you broke the law and you got caught doing it.

I could go into a long debate over this and bring up many more points but:

1) I'm tired
2) I've given more attention to this jbourne77 (resident ATOT cop hater) thread than it deserves

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

Are you really this stupid? Police officers are trained (and required) to act certain ways in certain situations. They're specifically trained NOT to react this way to something as simple as an insult. There are levels of escalation required by the civilian before the officer is allowed to respond with certain levels of physical violence. Calling a cop a dick isn't one of them.

JLee posted an image a few months ago that shows the level of escalation that a police officer is allowed to use and the requirements that the assailant must first commit before they're allowed to do so.

Butch, educate your ignorant ass before you continue commenting, please.

Nik, live in the real world before you keep commenting, in my world calling a cop a "DICK" while he's in the process of letting you off with a warning gets you in trouble. On planet Nik I guess you can call a cop any insult you like without repercussion.

Actually, I think you're just a silly little kid with no real understanding of how the real world works.

OK then, I'll leave you to your own opinions. Remember the next time you get pulled over to refer to the cop as a "DICK" for wasting you time, then start a new thread to let us know how that works for 'ya :laugh:

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Yes, I am rationalizing this on human nature because when you piss someone off it's always a gamble as to how they will react. If I cut you off on the highway and almost cause you and yours to get creamed should I be surprised if you follow me and thump my skull??ummm, NO! and your examples are exaggerating the hell out of it. No one was injured here this wasn't a life or death situation this was a smart-arsed kid you couldn't keep his yapper shut..

You realize that police can be reprimanded, suspended, fired, and even jailed for improper escalation? Have you ever heard of false arrest? Police officers aren't actually allowed to manhandle you without you committing certain acts first and the kid has done none of them in the video. I'd love to see the kid take the video in and press charges against the cop. Sure, he may get a ticket for proving he was skateboarding (oh noes :roll: ) but he also has proof that can get the cop in trouble and if he REALLY presses it, he can take it to the press and sue the city One can only hope.

Their job is to serve the public by sticking to procedure and this certainly wasn't proper procedure.

Then again, you wouldn't know anything about that.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
OK then, I'll leave you to your own opinions. Remember the next time you get pulled over to refer to the cop as a "DICK" for wasting you time, then start a new thread to let us know how that works for 'ya :laugh:

Hush, child. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. This isn't about getting a ticket or not getting a ticket. It's about being unlawfully manhandled by some power tripping pig.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Yes, I am rationalizing this on human nature because when you piss someone off it's always a gamble as to how they will react. If I cut you off on the highway and almost cause you and yours to get creamed should I be surprised if you follow me and thump my skull??ummm, NO! and your examples are exaggerating the hell out of it. No one was injured here this wasn't a life or death situation this was a smart-arsed kid you couldn't keep his yapper shut..

You realize that police can be reprimanded, suspended, fired, and even jailed for improper escalation? Have you ever heard of false arrest? Police officers aren't actually allowed to manhandle you without you committing certain acts first and the kid has done none of them in the video. I'd love to see the kid take the video in and press charges against the cop. Sure, he may get a ticket for proving he was skateboarding (oh noes :roll: ) but he also has proof that can get the cop in trouble and if he REALLY presses it, he can take it to the press and sue the city One can only hope.

Their job is to serve the public by sticking to procedure and this certainly wasn't proper procedure.

Then again, you wouldn't know anything about that.

His JOB allows him to arrest for violation of the LAW which the youth was BREAKING. Proper procedure followed to a "T", job well done..

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Yes, I am rationalizing this on human nature because when you piss someone off it's always a gamble as to how they will react. If I cut you off on the highway and almost cause you and yours to get creamed should I be surprised if you follow me and thump my skull??ummm, NO! and your examples are exaggerating the hell out of it. No one was injured here this wasn't a life or death situation this was a smart-arsed kid you couldn't keep his yapper shut..

You realize that police can be reprimanded, suspended, fired, and even jailed for improper escalation? Have you ever heard of false arrest? Police officers aren't actually allowed to manhandle you without you committing certain acts first and the kid has done none of them in the video. I'd love to see the kid take the video in and press charges against the cop. Sure, he may get a ticket for proving he was skateboarding (oh noes :roll: ) but he also has proof that can get the cop in trouble and if he REALLY presses it, he can take it to the press and sue the city One can only hope.

Their job is to serve the public by sticking to procedure and this certainly wasn't proper procedure.

Then again, you wouldn't know anything about that.

His JOB allows him to arrest for violation of the LAW which the youth was BREAKING. Proper procedure followed to a "T", job well done..

Actually, he's committing a misdemeanor which you don't get arrested for. And, if he's not going to arrest you and haul you downtown to book you for a crime and he's not detaining you for fear of flight risk during interrogation or detaining you to prevent you from becoming a danger to the immediate public, then he has no right to detain you. He has no right to physically assault you.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Yes, I am rationalizing this on human nature because when you piss someone off it's always a gamble as to how they will react. If I cut you off on the highway and almost cause you and yours to get creamed should I be surprised if you follow me and thump my skull??ummm, NO! and your examples are exaggerating the hell out of it. No one was injured here this wasn't a life or death situation this was a smart-arsed kid you couldn't keep his yapper shut..

You realize that police can be reprimanded, suspended, fired, and even jailed for improper escalation? Have you ever heard of false arrest? Police officers aren't actually allowed to manhandle you without you committing certain acts first and the kid has done none of them in the video. I'd love to see the kid take the video in and press charges against the cop. Sure, he may get a ticket for proving he was skateboarding (oh noes :roll: ) but he also has proof that can get the cop in trouble and if he REALLY presses it, he can take it to the press and sue the city One can only hope.

Their job is to serve the public by sticking to procedure and this certainly wasn't proper procedure.

Then again, you wouldn't know anything about that.

His JOB allows him to arrest for violation of the LAW which the youth was BREAKING. Proper procedure followed to a "T", job well done..

Actually, he's committing a misdemeanor which you don't get arrested for. And, if he's not going to arrest you and haul you downtown to book you for a crime and he's not detaining you for fear of flight risk during interrogation or detaining you to prevent you from becoming a danger to the immediate public, then he has no right to detain you. He has no right to physically assault you.

In Illinois, Aggravated assualt, Battery, Domestic Battery, Criminal Damage to Property, Criminal Sexual Abuse, Criminal Trespass to Residence/Vehicles, DUI, Deceptive Practices, Driving with Suspended/Revoked license, Retail Theft, and Theft are all examples of Class A misdemeanors which you can be arrested for.

Disorderly Conduct, a class C misdemeanor (lowest misdemeanor in the state of IL), you can get arrested for.

Where exactly did you pull the "misdemeanor which you don't get arrested for" statement from??? I'm curious to find out.

Edit: For the other part of your argument, I bring your attention to Terry v. Ohio, a case ruled by the Supreme Court allowing police officers to detain individuals of which the police officer has a reasonable suspicion they committed, are committing, or are about to commit a crime.

With that, I'm going to bed.

 

[Nik]

Is Illinois the state in which the video took place?

Also, crime != misdemeanor

 

[Kelemvor]

Well, I'm with the cop on this one. He was letting the skaters go but then they decided to start mouthing off and being jack asses. Sometimes smartasses need to be taught a lesson.

Of course the statement about breaking the arm wasn't called for but unless he was making up the laws he stated, go copper.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

But a misdemeanor is a crime. What's your point?

 

[BUTCH1]

"Where exactly did you pull the "misdemeanor which you don't get arrested for" statement from??? I'm curious to find out. "

He pulled it out of his a$$, that's where!, punk kid arrested legally, job well done sir!!!!!

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Oh and Nik...

California Misdemeanors...

Another source Many of which are arrestable.

So again, what source are you getting your information from? Or are you confusing misdemeanors with infractions/ordinance violations?

Edit: and NOW i'm going to bed.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
"Where exactly did you pull the "misdemeanor which you don't get arrested for" statement from??? I'm curious to find out. "

He pulled it out of his a$$, that's where!, punk kid arrested legally, job well done sir!!!!!

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you.

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Oh and Nik...

California Misdemeanors...

Another source Many of which are arrestable.

So again, what source are you getting your information from? Or are you confusing misdemeanors with infractions/ordinance violations?

I thought you were going to bed, liar.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
"Where exactly did you pull the "misdemeanor which you don't get arrested for" statement from??? I'm curious to find out. "

He pulled it out of his a$$, that's where!, punk kid arrested legally, job well done sir!!!!!

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you.

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Oh and Nik...

California Misdemeanors...

Another source Many of which are arrestable.

So again, what source are you getting your information from? Or are you confusing misdemeanors with infractions/ordinance violations?

I thought you were going to bed, liar.

Way to avoid answering the questions I asked. :roll:

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Oh and Nik...

California Misdemeanors...

Another source Many of which are arrestable.

So again, what source are you getting your information from? Or are you confusing misdemeanors with infractions/ordinance violations?

Edit: and NOW i'm going to bed.

BHAAAA-HAAAAA..Mr. Nik, stone-cold BUSTED by Marty!!, PRICELESS!! BHAAAAA-HAAAAAA!! Good night little Nicky!!!!.

 

[Brainonska511]

Cop was being a dick.

When he asked what was wrong, he said "ashamed of yourself?" Sounds like a verbal escalation in the making, which did happen.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: JD50
The cop didn't do anything wrong, this thread fails.

The cop did everything wrong. He did not handle the situation properly at all. All this talk about "he was being nice, he was cutting them a break, the kid mouthed off, blah blah bullshit" is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT! Here in the United States of America, all law enforcement officers are trained to follow the same rules. Sometimes called the "Use of Force Model" or "Escalation of Force Model", this chart dictates how an officer can react to a certain situation depending on the suspects actions. Basically the only time an officer is allowed do anything to the suspect is when the SUSPECT FIRST ESCALATES THE SITUATION. An officer may never escalate his use of force first. Never. There are five levels to the model. There are many variations to the model but they all mean the same thing. The levels on the suspect action side will go something like this : 1. Cooperative- self explanatory 2. Resistant Passive- "no sir I won't put my hands behind my back 3. Resistant Active- moving away from an arrest attempt or locking arms 4. Assaultive- attempting to hit the officer 5. Serious Bodily Harm or Death to the Officer or Others- assault using weapons.

Now tell me, what level was the skateboarder? Answer: Level 1.

On the officer side of the model are the following five levels: 1. Cooperation Controls- verbal control 2. Contact Controls- placing hands on the suspect, joint manipulation, pressure points 3. Compliance techniques- stun gun, chemical spray, low risk of injury to suspect 4. Defensive tactics- baton, stun gun, chemical spray, neck restraints 5. Lethal- guns

What level was the officer? Answer: 2

Black and white, cut and dry, clear as day..... The officer was wrong. The fact that it was a 13 year old boy who weighs less than my dog only makes it look worse. The officer may always use a lower level of force, but never higher. Think of it as a math equation. Suspect action minus officer response may never be less than ZERO. Suspect was cooperative = 1. Officer used contact controls = 2....... 1-2 = -1.... = OFFICER WAS WRONG

 

[Ballatician]

Didn't watch the video but timely thread I guess as I search for a longboard. I finally found a nice, used one for a decent price and the guy sold it off after agreeing to sell it to me.

 

[skulkingghost]

Cop was not a dick at all

Kids:
Skateboarding where they are not allowed
Pried up vents
Grinded rails / vandalism

Cop:
Let them all off
Arrested kid who mouthed off after being given a break
Kid resists arrest officer kicks or knees him in the butt in to the car

So the cop said he would snap his arm, it was probably right, cops have a right to physical defense if the subject is resisting arrest