Cop vs. Skateboarders

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: NaOH
I don't really see how the cop is in the wrong. He probably came there just to tell them to go away.

Ya, ignore the rape and murder and robbery going on every day! Get those goddamn skateboarding menaces!

:disgust:

It's not like two calls come in over the radio... we have reports of a cannibal beheading citizens downtown and raping our womenz... and some complaints about skateboarders in XYZ neighborhood... your choice, officer.

I'm sure cops aren't thrilled to respond to noise/skateboarding/unruly party complaints, but it's part of the job. If you can make a case that by responding to this call, a murder/rape call went unanswered, so be it. Somehow, I doubt that's the case.

 

[DougK62]

I'm usually the first to side with citizens in all these videos of police officers obviously abusing their power, but I just can't in this case. He was doing his job and actually being nice to the kids asking them to leave. They got smart and the cop acted accordingly. If that skateboarder punk was MY kid, that's exactly how I'd want him to be treated by the cop in this instance. Little punk.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Strk
It looks like less of a power trip and more of two assholes (the dude who got arrested and the chick off camera) who need to learn how to shut up. From the sound of it, he was just going to tell them to take off, then wonder boy ran his mouth.

And here are the SF/CA laws

that's exactly what i gathered. some punk thought he'd be cool by fightin the man, but instead go put in a nice little arm lock instead (aikido technique called ikyo.. very commonly taught to LEOs). joint locks are incredibly painful and are an easy way to subdue people if you can do them properly.

Since when does his being a smartass justify physical brutality? There was no need to restrain the guy.

What in that video would constitute brutality? From the the minimal information from the video, it sounds like they were somewhere they weren't supposed to be. You hear the officer talk about them moving a fence and/or grate (doesn't specify if it's the same thing, as it's mentioned a few times).

The fact that that one specific guy was on the ground and already having words with the officer, while everyone else wasn't, makes me think he was already doing something stupid.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: NaOH
I don't really see how the cop is in the wrong.

1) You don't see anything wrong with threatening to break a kid's arm (while applying a joint-lock) if he resists arrest "again", even though he obviously never resisted in the first place?

2) You don't see anyting wrong with kicking the kid while he's cooperatively entering the cruiser? (granted, this portion isn't on tape, but the cop never disputed the accusations being made by witnesses)

I agree that skaters can really trash a place, and it's extremely disrespectful and rude to loiter about, propping your gear up against other people's vehicles, leaning up against them yourself, and generally being a societal PITA, but none of that is an excuse for how the cop handled the situation IMO.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I'm usually the first to side with citizens in all these videos of police officers obviously abusing their power, but I just can't in this case. He was doing his job and actually being nice to the kids asking them to leave. They got smart and the cop acted accordingly. If that skateboarder punk was MY kid, that's exactly how I'd want him to be treated by the cop in this instance. Little punk.

I agree that he was being a little punk, but saying he "deserved" that treatment doesn't mean the cop is permitted to dispatch it. People "deserve" all kinds of shit, but giving it to them is frequently illegal. For instance, the asshole who flipped you off on the way to work this morning after you honked at him for swerving into your lane probably deserves to have his face bashed in with a brick. Doesn't mean it's ok to do it, though.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Considering that this country is raising a generation of Diatbeetus loving slugs, I think we should be encouraging kids to get outside and skate.

 

[JDawg1536]

The cop was unprofessional and used excessive force.

 

[OutHouse]

cool! im going to send that cop a thank you note.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I wish most skateboarders would skate right off a cliff.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The cop was unprofessional and used excessive force.

lol no he wasn't and no he didn't.

 

[FP]

I can't believe the people who think the cop was in the wrong.

The kids were BREAKING THE LAW... The cop tried to give them a BREAK but the kids decided to mouth off so he did job and arrested one and cited the others.

How else is he supposed to handcuff the kid? It is pretty obvious he tried to resist a bit. The cop didn't use excessive force.

I was actually quite surprised how well spoken the officer was.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The cop was unprofessional and used excessive force.

lol no he wasn't and no he didn't.

Ummm, I was trained at FLETC. He was unprofessional and used excessive force. Maybe not in your eyes, but in in the eyes of the law, he sure did.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: FP
I can't believe the people who think the cop was in the wrong.

The kids were BREAKING THE LAW... The cop tried to give them a BREAK but the kids decided to mouth off so he did job and arrested one and cited the others.

How else is he supposed to handcuff the kid? It is pretty obvious he tried to resist a bit. The cop didn't use excessive force.

I was actually quite surprised how well spoken the officer was.

The kid only resisted when pain was inflicted. Up until that point he was being compliant, which means that the officer CANNOT raise the level of force. He did anyway. And I don't recall police officers being trained to put people in the back of a car by kicking them.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The cop was unprofessional and used excessive force.

lol no he wasn't and no he didn't.

Not one of your stronger arguments...

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Strk
It looks like less of a power trip and more of two assholes (the dude who got arrested and the chick off camera) who need to learn how to shut up. From the sound of it, he was just going to tell them to take off, then wonder boy ran his mouth.

And here are the SF/CA laws

that's exactly what i gathered. some punk thought he'd be cool by fightin the man, but instead go put in a nice little arm lock instead (aikido technique called ikyo.. very commonly taught to LEOs). joint locks are incredibly painful and are an easy way to subdue people if you can do them properly.

Since when does his being a smartass justify physical brutality? There was no need to restrain the guy.

brutality? please, it's not like the cop took a billy club to him, punched him, pistol whipped, him, etc.

i've been in these joint locks at least a hundred times. the second the pressure is let go, you're fine. ikyo actually isn't very much of a joint lock, for that matter, but it's still incredibly useful (or at least the way i was taught)... nikyo, now that's a joint lock. hurts your wrists like a bitch:laugh:

the LEO arrested the dude in a standard way, and if he's not willing to cooperate, the LEO still has to arrest him, which means forcing him into the right position.

 

[darkxshade]

Can't blame the cop... Kids mouthed off, cop exercised his stance of dominance, problem got solved.

 

[God Mode]

I'm a bit biased against skateboarders after they fubared my staircase railings and dented a customers car door due to a failed landing. I've never seen them riding with mind to other peoples properties. Even in the park, they put black marks over everything.

 

[zerocool84]

Here in ATOT cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't. This guy seemed cool compared to the supposed "brutality" everyone here claims about.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Skateboarding should not be a crime. That cop has better things to do than hassle skateboarders.

You are exactly right, cops DO fully believe there are FAR more important 'crimes' that should be getting their attention, except that they are obligated to respond to complaints by the public and DO something about those complaints. Its their job.

Many of these skateboarders are serial offenders because their parents don't give a damn if their kids are out causing problems for other people, as long as they are not at home causing problems for them. When the cops try to get the parents to do something about their own kids, their response is hostility towards the cops for 'harassing' their kids. Why? Because they don't want the kids to be home!

i.e. You want me to watch my kid and keep him at home more? Why do you think I bought the little bastard a skateboard?

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The kid only resisted when pain was inflicted. Up until that point he was being compliant, which means that the officer CANNOT raise the level of force. He did anyway. And I don't recall police officers being trained to put people in the back of a car by kicking them.

The funny thing about a lot of videos where you see people "resisting" arrest is when they are put in a painful situation. If I was jumped on, with a knee in my back, or if multiple people (officers) were putting me in arm bars and twisting my legs or sitting on top of me, my survival instincts would say I should struggle despite all commands to stay still.

That's something I never understood. It's 2009 and police departments never understand this basic human reaction.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The kid only resisted when pain was inflicted. Up until that point he was being compliant, which means that the officer CANNOT raise the level of force. He did anyway. And I don't recall police officers being trained to put people in the back of a car by kicking them.

The funny thing about a lot of videos where you see people "resisting" arrest is when they are put in a painful situation. If I was jumped on, with a knee in my back, or if multiple people (officers) were putting me in arm bars and twisting my legs or sitting on top of me, my survival instincts would say I should struggle despite all commands to stay still.

That's something I never understood. It's 2009 and police departments never understand this basic human reaction.

survival instincts huh? are you a cave man?

People that actively resist have already been warned, yelled at, chased. They should know better than to fight. They aren't surviving, they're being asshats.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: CRXican

People that actively resist have already been warned, yelled at, chased. They should know better than to fight. They aren't surviving, they're being asshats.

I am talking about situations like this one where there was no previous "resistance" until the point the officer suddenly starts twisting the kids arms.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Strk
It looks like less of a power trip and more of two assholes (the dude who got arrested and the chick off camera) who need to learn how to shut up. From the sound of it, he was just going to tell them to take off, then wonder boy ran his mouth.

And here are the SF/CA laws

that's exactly what i gathered. some punk thought he'd be cool by fightin the man, but instead go put in a nice little arm lock instead (aikido technique called ikyo.. very commonly taught to LEOs). joint locks are incredibly painful and are an easy way to subdue people if you can do them properly.

Since when does his being a smartass justify physical brutality? There was no need to restrain the guy.

brutality? please, it's not like the cop took a billy club to him, punched him, pistol whipped, him, etc.

i've been in these joint locks at least a hundred times. the second the pressure is let go, you're fine. ikyo actually isn't very much of a joint lock, for that matter, but it's still incredibly useful (or at least the way i was taught)... nikyo, now that's a joint lock. hurts your wrists like a bitch:laugh:

the LEO arrested the dude in a standard way, and if he's not willing to cooperate, the LEO still has to arrest him, which means forcing him into the right position.

Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Nik
Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

so how do you handcuff someone without touching them, nik?

and like i said, what the officer did to the kid actually isn't much of an arm lock to begin with.

 

[Glitchny]

Cop pretty much did the correct thing, I've got no complaints. OH NOES HE TWISTED THAT POOR PUNKS ARM WHEN HE CUFFED HIM. Give me a break, this isn't even newsworthy.