Cop vs. Skateboarders

[Nik]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: NaOH
I don't really see how the cop is in the wrong. He probably came there just to tell them to go away.

Ya, ignore the rape and murder and robbery going on every day! Get those goddamn skateboarding menaces!

Ummmm, rape, murder, and robbery are not being ignored. I'm always happy when the police take action against things such as this that impact upon the quality of my life. I don't care if they're riding down the street or riding down the sidewalk. I don't care if they're riding around in an empty parking lot. And, I don't think most other people care either. But, as soon as they start destroying property, which they do, they are affecting the rest of us. Once enough of them are destroying property, then the solution is very simple - simply outlaw skateboarding. Sorry to the skateboarders who aren't infringing on the rights of others, but a large enough number of the people engaged in that activity have ruined it for the rest of them.

And, Nik, when you stop to think about it, as soon as it's illegal, assuming the number of people engaging in vandalism while riding drops (and with enough cops doing exactly what that cop did - efficiently dealing with one group), it'll free up more officers long term who don't have to answer as many calls about vandalism.

Can you say "tongue in cheek" DP?

Besides, I clearly outlined this:

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Skateboarding should not be a crime. That cop has better things to do than hassle skateboarders.

When skateboarders (don't assume I'm generalizing) end up damaging property from all their grinding, it costs companies unnecessary time and resources to repair. Skateboarders who do so are, basically, petty vandals with absolutely no concern or respect for other people's property --or anyone but themselves, for that matter.

That's why anti-skateboarding laws exist: to prevent vandalism.

 

[WA261]

Fuck that. Little tard fucks, fucking with police. They/he deserves what he got. Kids do not need to be doing this shit. Kids have ZERO respect. They need their asses kicked.

 

[DrPizza]

Also, as far as the officer using a minimal amount of force when applying the cuffs. Yooohooo! Did you idiots see the same video I was watching? The kid was verbally escalating the situation. Should police take chances with someone who is already escalating a situation & just assume that the person is done escalating the situation?

There's a big difference between sitting on the ground "You shouldn't be skateboarding, it's against the law." "Sorry" "I'm going to have to take you to the police station. Stand up and put your hand behind your back"
and
"You're a fucking dick"...

Why should the officer take any chances whatsoever of losing control of the situation with some punk ass kid with an over-developed sense of entitlement?

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Skateboarding should not be a crime. That cop has better things to do than hassle skateboarders.

Cops HAVE to do something outside of racially profiling people from time to time. Skateboarders are the only reason black and Mexican people get any off time from getting fucked with. I'm sure a cops wet dream would be running into a group of ethnic skateboarders.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: NaOH
I don't really see how the cop is in the wrong. He probably came there just to tell them to go away.

Ya, ignore the rape and murder and robbery going on every day! Get those goddamn skateboarding menaces!

Ummmm, rape, murder, and robbery are not being ignored. I'm always happy when the police take action against things such as this that impact upon the quality of my life. I don't care if they're riding down the street or riding down the sidewalk. I don't care if they're riding around in an empty parking lot. And, I don't think most other people care either. But, as soon as they start destroying property, which they do, they are affecting the rest of us. Once enough of them are destroying property, then the solution is very simple - simply outlaw skateboarding. Sorry to the skateboarders who aren't infringing on the rights of others, but a large enough number of the people engaged in that activity have ruined it for the rest of them.

And, Nik, when you stop to think about it, as soon as it's illegal, assuming the number of people engaging in vandalism while riding drops (and with enough cops doing exactly what that cop did - efficiently dealing with one group), it'll free up more officers long term who don't have to answer as many calls about vandalism.

Can you say "tongue in cheek" DP?

Besides, I clearly outlined this:

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Skateboarding should not be a crime. That cop has better things to do than hassle skateboarders.

When skateboarders (don't assume I'm generalizing) end up damaging property from all their grinding, it costs companies unnecessary time and resources to repair. Skateboarders who do so are, basically, petty vandals with absolutely no concern or respect for other people's property --or anyone but themselves, for that matter.

That's why anti-skateboarding laws exist: to prevent vandalism.

Ahhh, okay. I replied before I read the entire thread. Sorry I misunderstood

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Cop reacted to being called a dick, plain and simple. Watch the video.

Cops are -supposed- to NOT react to profanity. It's perfectly legal to call a cop a dick.

His response was to write a ticket, arm bar him and threaten to break it.

For a TICKET. Sure the skater was in the wrong, we have ALL committed misdemeanors and NONE of us deserve that kind of treatment by police, esp for such a simple crime. Profanity does not warrant additional reaction by LEO.

Power trip.

Maybe an LEO is not supposed to react to profanity but if your about to let someone go with just a verbal warning and that person show's out and calls you a "dick" guess what, verbal warning is now an arrest. Cops are people too and if you refer to someone as a "dick" they generally get PO about it..

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Also, as far as the officer using a minimal amount of force when applying the cuffs. Yooohooo! Did you idiots see the same video I was watching? The kid was verbally escalating the situation. Should police take chances with someone who is already escalating a situation & just assume that the person is done escalating the situation?

There's a big difference between sitting on the ground "You shouldn't be skateboarding, it's against the law." "Sorry" "I'm going to have to take you to the police station. Stand up and put your hand behind your back"
and
"You're a fucking dick"...

Why should the officer take any chances whatsoever of losing control of the situation with some punk ass kid with an over-developed sense of entitlement?

Verbal escalation != physical escalation. Freedom of speech and all.

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Except this kid's "warning" was an armbar, and it preceded any so-called "resistance".

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
Exactly. The kid was sitting on the ground in complete compliance with all the officers commands up to that point. It isn't a matter of interpretation as to whether the officer used too much force; it's black and white. There are levels of force that are to be used when dealing with suspects, and an officer may not raise the level of force without the suspect raising it first. The kid was compliant, then the officer raised the use of force out of nowhere by two levels to "compliance techniques". This is a no-no. Bottom line, cop was wrong, no doubt about it, and there isn't any other way it could be interpreted.

:thumbsup: JDawg1536

Apparently some of you need to re-read this thread.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Cop reacted to being called a dick, plain and simple. Watch the video.

Cops are -supposed- to NOT react to profanity. It's perfectly legal to call a cop a dick.

His response was to write a ticket, arm bar him and threaten to break it.

For a TICKET. Sure the skater was in the wrong, we have ALL committed misdemeanors and NONE of us deserve that kind of treatment by police, esp for such a simple crime. Profanity does not warrant additional reaction by LEO.

Power trip.

Maybe an LEO is not supposed to react to profanity but if your about to let someone go with just a verbal warning and that person show's out and calls you a "dick" guess what, verbal warning is now an arrest. Cops are people too and if you refer to someone as a "dick" they generally get PO about it..

An arrest requires breaking the law.

Please link to or quote the law that states that it's illegal to call a cop a dick or tell him that he is welcome to geriatric coitus.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Cop reacted to being called a dick, plain and simple. Watch the video.

Cops are -supposed- to NOT react to profanity. It's perfectly legal to call a cop a dick.

His response was to write a ticket, arm bar him and threaten to break it.

For a TICKET. Sure the skater was in the wrong, we have ALL committed misdemeanors and NONE of us deserve that kind of treatment by police, esp for such a simple crime. Profanity does not warrant additional reaction by LEO.

Power trip.

Maybe an LEO is not supposed to react to profanity but if your about to let someone go with just a verbal warning and that person show's out and calls you a "dick" guess what, verbal warning is now an arrest. Cops are people too and if you refer to someone as a "dick" they generally get PO about it..

An arrest requires breaking the law.

Please link to or quote the law that states that it's illegal to call a cop a dick or tell him that he is welcome to geriatric coitus.

Link not necessary, common sense applies. If a cop pull me over for speeding and is going to let me go with a warning and I refer to him as a "dick" for pulling me over guess what, I'm now gonna get a ticket. By letter of law no, that cop didn't have to arrest that kid but what part of someone not being called a "dick" in front of a bunch of people are you not getting?, IT'S GONNA PISS YOU OFF, PERIOD....

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Cop reacted to being called a dick, plain and simple. Watch the video.

Cops are -supposed- to NOT react to profanity. It's perfectly legal to call a cop a dick.

His response was to write a ticket, arm bar him and threaten to break it.

For a TICKET. Sure the skater was in the wrong, we have ALL committed misdemeanors and NONE of us deserve that kind of treatment by police, esp for such a simple crime. Profanity does not warrant additional reaction by LEO.

Power trip.

Maybe an LEO is not supposed to react to profanity but if your about to let someone go with just a verbal warning and that person show's out and calls you a "dick" guess what, verbal warning is now an arrest. Cops are people too and if you refer to someone as a "dick" they generally get PO about it..

An arrest requires breaking the law.

Please link to or quote the law that states that it's illegal to call a cop a dick or tell him that he is welcome to geriatric coitus.

Link not necessary, common sense applies. If a cop pull me over for speeding and is going to let me go with a warning and I refer to him as a "dick" for pulling me over guess what, I'm now gonna get a ticket. By letter of law no, that cop didn't have to arrest that kid but what part of someone not being called a "dick" in front of a bunch of people are you not getting?, IT'S GONNA PISS YOU OFF, PERIOD....

Haha, you're so freakin stupid.

You don't get a ticket for mouthing off to the cop. You get a ticket for speeding. Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning.

Insulting an officer isn't against the law and cannot be prosecuted. Threatening them, sure, but calling them a dick isn't a threat.

Again, what exactly did the guy do to warrant an escalation of physical violence from the officer?

Please provide links to or quotes of laws to back up your claim. Remember, innocent before proven guilty so your charge of "guilty" also carries the burden of proof.

Or, you know, you can stop pulling shit out of your ass and just stfu.

 

[manowar821]

What a PRICK. (The cop)

 

[Kirby]

Where's JLee when you need him?

 

[arcenite]

The bottom line is, the kid wasn't smart enough to keep his mouth shut :/

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: arcenite
The bottom line is, the kid wasn't smart enough to keep his mouth shut :/

Which isn't against the law and doesn't warrant such escalation, which is the whole point of this cop-bashing thread.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: arcenite
The bottom line is, the kid wasn't smart enough to keep his mouth shut :/

Which isn't against the law and doesn't warrant such escalation, which is the whole point of this cop-bashing thread.

While I don't disagree, I don't think the kid expected his comments to make the situation any better.

 

[BUTCH1]

originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

 

[Chunkee]

This is serious business...a bridge that leads to harder crimes.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

Are you really this stupid? Police officers are trained (and required) to act certain ways in certain situations. They're specifically trained NOT to react this way to something as simple as an insult. There are levels of escalation required by the civilian before the officer is allowed to respond with certain levels of physical violence. Calling a cop a dick isn't one of them.

JLee posted an image a few months ago that shows the level of escalation that a police officer is allowed to use and the requirements that the assailant must first commit before they're allowed to do so.

Butch, educate your ignorant ass before you continue commenting, please.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

That was not an ikkyo grip. It's not possible to maintain one and place someones hand behind their back. And depending on how much force is applied and level of pain tolerance, could be just as if not more painful. Are you just criticizing the verbiage or saying that an armbar hurts more? There's more than one type of "armbar" by the way.

i'm saying what the cop did was basically an ikkyo (although no, it wasn't exactly like the aikido video, but it's the same basic technique, more or less) and that an ikkyo isn't anywhere close to an armbar.

basically, the cop did that just to get control of the kid, and that's all ikkyo is really good for, AFAIK. it's not a joint lock the same way an armbar is.

 

[duragezic]

Why is everyone saying they mouthed off? The one kid was pissed off and called him a dick, and that was stupid. The others were leaving when bystanders made comments. The cop then goes off about that. The rest of the skaters were perfectly compliant. Power trip for sure.

I think the cop should professionally be able to handle being called a dick by some whiny kid. The kid should have kept his mouth shut but you know what kids can be dumb and whiny so he should have been above that and just got them to leave. That way he responded to the compliant and solved the problem.

And can you really not skate ANYWHERE in SF? What kind of bullshit is that? As a city I'd rather have people skateboarding having fun with friends and getting exercise than off doing drugs. Sure they don't belong everywhere and there may be some problems caused by them but I think it's better than banning it.

Waste of fucking time to respond to every person skateboarding. I like the whole skateboard as evidence. More paperwork on bullshit that should be a nonissue so police resources are spent on better things.

 

[Icepick]

I watched the entire video. The kids were all being jackasses the entire time. All they had to do was keep their mouths shut and then go on their way. Instead, they completely disrespected the police officer who was only trying to do his job. The kids were even caught in the act vandalizing! LOL The video only serves to underscore the kids' stupidity.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Nik
...

You don't get a ticket for mouthing off to the cop. ...

They can find a reason for ANYTHING...
Disturbing the peace
Disorderly conduct
And something else I can't recall.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
originally posted by NIk: "Mouthing off to the cop simply removes his willingness to let you off with a warning. "..Ding ding, ding ding!!! you've proven my point for me, Do I have to dig for a link that states "referring to another as a dick might anger said person" ? I'M NOT TALKING LEGALITY'S HERE, JUST HOW HUMANS REACT TO BEING DISRESPECTED, GET IT DINGBAT??

Are you really this stupid? Police officers are trained (and required) to act certain ways in certain situations. They're specifically trained NOT to react this way to something as simple as an insult. There are levels of escalation required by the civilian before the officer is allowed to respond with certain levels of physical violence. Calling a cop a dick isn't one of them.

JLee posted an image a few months ago that shows the level of escalation that a police officer is allowed to use and the requirements that the assailant must first commit before they're allowed to do so.

Butch, educate your ignorant ass before you continue commenting, please.

Nik, live in the real world before you keep commenting, in my world calling a cop a "DICK" while he's in the process of letting you off with a warning gets you in trouble. On planet Nik I guess you can call a cop any insult you like without repercussion.

 

[Farang]

Cop seems like a good enough guy. He has a little fucktard mouthing off at him so he chooses to go by the letter of the law, do his job, and get the situation over with so he can go about his day. He certainly could have acted more professionally but he's human, just some guy trying to do his job while a bunch of people yell at him (regardless of whether or not he would've escalated the situation, those people would've all been dicks to him for responding to a public complaint).

I usually always side against cops, too. I've had bad experiences and am definitely a cop hater.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Wait a minute, it's illegal to skate anywhere in the city? That's the fucking stupidest law I've ever heard. /me is glad to live somewhere where freedom is real.