Cop Misbehavior Forum

[Knowing]

I think we should start a thread highlighting cops killed in the line of duty, stating how they died, who killed them, the impact on the cop's family, etc. After all, we're all about fairness, right?

That'd be interesting, but I believe it would be described as racist from the first post.

Yes, it's the daily caller, but they were the first source I found.

Did you know that in just three days this week (October 7-9), six cops were shot in the line of duty, one of whom was killed?
October 7: Chicago, IL – One officer, a captain, is shot twice — once in the face, once in the chest. Other officers at the scene take fire and are pinned down by the suspect.
October 8: North Las Vegas, NV – An officer is shot during a gunfight with a suspect.
October 8: Phoenix, AZ – An officer is shot in the face while on a traffic stop. The suspects flee and the officer calls for help. Two other officers arrive and start rendering aid, only to come under fire from the suspects who circle back and attack the responding officers.
October 8: Oklahoma City, OK – Two officers are shot by a suspect during the same event.
October 9: Midland County, TX – Sgt. Mike Naylor is shot and killed while responding to a report of a sexual assault.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not exactly. You'd have trouble suing a policeman for medical malpractice for example. Not saying you couldn't, but its would be a difficult case to make.

But you can sue them. You claimed otherwise and have failed miserably at backup that up. Probably time to stop asking silly questions.

You can sue a doctor for negligence. You can sue a nurse for negligence. You can sue a lawyer for negligence.

Fact is that qualified immunity gives police officers a degree of individual immunity from personal liability that others don't get.

Now you can argue that that's a needed thing due to their work (which would be an honest position) or you can argue that there isn't a double standard (which isn't an honest position to start from).

 

[FerrelGeek]

Why not just make one if you're curious?



You're not suggesting that people don't make lots of posts criticising politicians are you? I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one or two of those here.

Of course there are lots of posts, that's not where I was going. I wan't talking about the forums per se, I was addressing the public in general.

 

[xBiffx]

You can sue a doctor for negligence. You can sue a nurse for negligence. You can sue a lawyer for negligence.

Fact is that qualified immunity gives police officers a degree of individual immunity from personal liability that others don't get.

Now you can argue that that's a needed thing due to their work (which would be an honest position) or you can argue that there isn't a double standard (which isn't an honest position to start from).

All of those come with their own sets of standards for a lawsuit. Trying to apply one to the other doesn't win you anything. Again, its not a double standard to apply different standards to different things and situations. It is a double standard when you try and say that cop negligence is the same as anyone else's and then apply the same standard.

Should the definition for negligence be the same, no matter the profession?

Should I be able to sue a fast food worker for fucking up my order? I mean, negligence is negligence after all, amiright?

 

[WelshBloke]

Of course there are lots of posts, that's not where I was going. I wan't talking about the forums per se, I was addressing the public in general.

It must be different here. Politicians are pretty much looked at like the lowest of the low.

All of those come with their own sets of standards for a lawsuit. Trying to apply one to the other doesn't win you anything. Again, its not a double standard to apply different standards to different things and situations. It is a double standard when you try and say that cop negligence is the same as anyone else's and then apply the same standard.

Should the definition for negligence be the same, no matter the profession?

Should I be able to sue a fast food worker for fucking up my order?

The definition of negligence is irrelevant as the police are immune from being sued for it.

You can sue a fast food worker for negligence if you want.

 

[WHAMPOM]

No they aren't. They point out the misdirection of one cop normally. But then people like yourself extrapolate that to an entire department, or worse yet, all cops in general.

Civil liberties, seems like a vast majority of the country doesn't have an issue with cops taking away civil liberties. Yet, from the bitching, you'd think the cops do nothing but tread on people's rights.

Without the entire department/justice system and all cops in general turning a blind eye to their misdeeds they would not happen. So why are you so against bringing bad cops to light?

 

[WHAMPOM]

All of those come with their own sets of standards for a lawsuit. Trying to apply one to the other doesn't win you anything. Again, its not a double standard to apply different standards to different things and situations. It is a double standard when you try and say that cop negligence is the same as anyone else's and then apply the same standard.

Should the definition for negligence be the same, no matter the profession?

Should I be able to sue a fast food worker for fucking up my order? I mean, negligence is negligence after all, amiright?

For fucking with your order, yes. For fucking up your order, a commendation.

 

[WelshBloke]

Without the entire department/justice system and all cops in general turning a blind eye to their misdeeds they would not happen. So why are you so against bringing bad cops to light?

No, its apparently something that we shouldn't video or even talk about. We should just let them do their thing, any undue attention should be avoided. They just need our trust... well and our money. Obviously they are going to want the public to pay them. Just not, you know, talk about them.

 

[fskimospy]

Not exactly. You'd have trouble suing a policeman for medical malpractice for example. Not saying you couldn't, but its would be a difficult case to make.

But you can sue them. You claimed otherwise and have failed miserably at backup that up. Probably time to stop asking silly questions.

It is extraordinarily difficult to sue an individual policeman for actions he takes in the line of duty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

It's not impossible, but the standard is much, much higher than it is with any other profession. There's a reason why is almost never happens. So while you are technically correct that they can be sued in theory, he's right in the reality of the situation.

 

[fskimospy]

It must be different here. Politicians are pretty much looked at like the lowest of the low.

The definition of negligence is irrelevant as the police are immune from being sued for it.

You can sue a fast food worker for negligence if you want.

Yes, negligence was a particularly bad idea to bring up as police for all intents and purposes cannot be sued for negligence.

 

[FerrelGeek]

That'd be interesting, but I believe it would be described as racist from the first post.

Yes, it's the daily caller, but they were the first source I found.

According to a link I saw from National Review, a cop is killed about every 58 hours. I didn't have a chance to read the article to see how that broke down, but that's still disturbing.

 

[xBiffx]

So why are you so against bringing bad cops to light?

Where did I ever say I was?

 

[xBiffx]

It is extraordinarily difficult to sue an individual policeman for actions he takes in the line of duty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

It's not impossible, but the standard is much, much higher than it is with any other profession. There's a reason why is almost never happens. So while you are technically correct that they can be sued in theory, he's right in the reality of the situation.

I understand that. But his original point was that you couldn't sue an individual police officer. Now he is backtracking on his original point (poorly I might add) without acknowledging that was incorrect.

 

[fskimospy]

According to a link I saw from National Review, a cop is killed about every 58 hours. I didn't have a chance to read the article to see how that broke down, but that's still disturbing.

Why is that disturbing? While any death is a tragedy and being a cop is certainly more dangerous than sitting as a desk, being a police officer is not a particularly dangerous job as dangerous jobs go.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.htm

The number of cops that die in the line of duty is pretty small, and usually they die from traffic accidents.

 

[WelshBloke]

I understand that. But his original point was that you couldn't sue an individual police officer. Now he is backtracking on his original point (poorly I might add) without acknowledging that was incorrect.

So you're argument seems to be that because it's technically possible to sue an individual policeman (no matter how difficult that is) then there is no double standard in the way that they are treated?

That's a pretty slimy way to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

 

[Oldgamer]

LOL poster complains about cop threads and creates a cop thread. /clap /clap /clap..!

 

[xBiffx]

So you're argument seems to be that because it's technically possible to sue an individual policeman (no matter how difficult that is) then there is no double standard in the way that they are treated?

That's a pretty slimy way to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

How can a double standard exist when you are applying different standards to different things? I mean, do you even know what the definition of double standard is?

 

[xBiffx]

LOL poster complains about cop threads and creates a cop thread. /clap /clap /clap..!

Only you are dumb enough to think that.

 

[The Merg]

You guys seem to be doing a good enough job arguing over this...

I'll just point out two things. While Qualified Immunity is normally applied to police officers, it is applicable to all government workers. Also,

 

[cubby1223]

It's not so bad having this forum dominated by the I-hate-cops clique.

It's just constant reminders that an internet forum is not the place where I should be spending my time!

 

[FerrelGeek]

Why is that disturbing? While any death is a tragedy and being a cop is certainly more dangerous than sitting as a desk, being a police officer is not a particularly dangerous job as dangerous jobs go.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.htm

The number of cops that die in the line of duty is pretty small, and usually they die from traffic accidents.

Interesting stats, thanks. I only had time to skim, but I didn't see a breakdown by percentage based on number of people in a given occupation / sector. ex, there are 200,000 miners with 200 deaths for .1% of fatalities among miners. I could also be in need of a slap upside the head and another cup of coffee for missing it, so please go easy on my if I missed it.

 

[piasabird]

I think one thing to realize that an awful lot of protestors know nothing about some of these police officer events and are just professional protestors from out of town. Then what the bloggers and media people do is they only use the bits that they want to report on.

After a solid week of protesting, enough is enough. I am unwilling to put up with idiots that protest for weeks and accomplish nothing. I am also tired of family member that claim that their child is sweet, innocent and an angel, when in fact they are a criminal and a thug. I will never defend a criminal.

 

[Oldgamer]

I think one thing to realize that an awful lot of protestors know nothing about some of these police officer events and are just professional protestors from out of town. Then what the bloggers and media people do is they only use the bits that they want to report on.

After a solid week of protesting, enough is enough. I am unwilling to put up with idiots that protest for weeks and accomplish nothing. I am also tired of family member that claim that their child is sweet, innocent and an angel, when in fact they are a criminal and a thug. I will never defend a criminal.

Wut? LOL Wrong thread?

 

[dmcowen674]

LOL poster complains about cop threads and creates a cop thread. /clap /clap /clap..!

I bet if they did create a sub forum the OP couldn't stay out of it.

 

[NoStateofMind]

How can a double standard exist when you are applying different standards to different things? I mean, do you even know what the definition of double standard is?

Oh you mean like how the law is applied to LEO's compared to how they are applied to us regular folk? That double standard?