Cop Misbehavior Forum

[Linflas]

How would you like it if everytime you made a mistake, your employer came right out, before a proper investigation and said you were wrong every single time? Wouldn't you expect them to side with their employee until there was evidence or investigation to the contrary?

Why the double standard for a police officer?

Because when the police make a mistake it can have far reaching effects on your personal liberty, financial well being, and your family.

 

[xBiffx]

Most of these stories the department said they followed procedure were after the investigation. And lets not conflate what I do and what a cop does. When i screw up at work. Somebody loses access to a network resource. When a cop fucks up at work somebody loses their civil liberties via a beating, invasion of privacy, shooting, or at worst their life.

I agree, we shouldn't compare a cop going to work and doing their job to just anybody. But you and others seem to think its OK to do just that. Applying double standards to police is stupid. They are human beings, its a job, and fuckups have consequences. You don't have to make decisions like they do so of course when they screw up its worse than when you do it. However, it is in line with the work. They can also have a much larger impact than you or I when they do their jobs well. No one notices anything when I'm doing a great job. I am sure its the same for you as well.

 

[WelshBloke]

No, it was pointing out how silly their lists sounds

Not at all like your choices in the poll then.

 

[xBiffx]

Because when the police make a mistake it can have far reaching effects on your personal liberty, financial well being, and your family.

Goes with the territory. When they do their job well, it can have an equally positive effect on those things. Comparing their screw ups to ours and saying when they do it, it is so much worse, is applying a double standard.

 

[xBiffx]

Not at all like your choices in the poll then.

To each their own. From the responses so far, you seem to be in a minority there.

 

[cliftonite]

It gets old to see the same thread over and over especially when half the time people are raging about nothing.

Circumstances can be totally different yet its the same, fuck da police garbage. The irony is that the majority of posters who make these threads have no problem with an oversized government either.

Don't click the police threads? Do you not have self control?

 

[WelshBloke]

Why the double standard for a police officer?

Are the procedures for investigating dodgy policemen the same as other professions?
Is there any independent oversight?

 

[FerrelGeek]

I think we should start a thread highlighting cops killed in the line of duty, stating how they died, who killed them, the impact on the cop's family, etc. After all, we're all about fairness, right?

 

[xBiffx]

Are the procedures for investigating dodgy policemen the same as other professions?
Is there any independent oversight?

Yes....

 

[WelshBloke]

I think we should start a thread highlighting cops killed in the line of duty, stating how they died, who killed them, the impact on the cop's family, etc. After all, we're all about fairness, right?

Is anyone stopping you?

Yes....

Oh that's all right then. As long as you say so.

 

[xBiffx]

Is anyone stopping you?

Oh that's all right then. As long as you say so.

Seeing is how you didn't say otherwise, I'm not sure where you were going with that.

 

[WelshBloke]

Seeing is how you didn't say otherwise, I'm not sure where you were going with that.

So you can sue an individual policeman?
There's no cases of policemen keeping all their pensions and perks if they do get punished?
There's no evidence that police forces cover up misdemeanours?

 

[Genx87]

I agree, we shouldn't compare a cop going to work and doing their job to just anybody. But you and others seem to think its OK to do just that. Applying double standards to police is stupid. They are human beings, its a job, and fuckups have consequences. You don't have to make decisions like they do so of course when they screw up its worse than when you do it. However, it is in line with the work. They can also have a much larger impact than you or I when they do their jobs well. No one notices anything when I'm doing a great job. I am sure its the same for you as well.

Of course we feel it ok to point out when a public servant breaks the law or violates our civil rights. Are you really arguing it isnt?

It isnt a double standard to discuss stories about bad decisions cops make on a daily basis.

Their fuckups don't seem to have consequences. Except for those they harmed. That is why a lot of these stories are so outrageous. The cop shoots, steals, beats, or violates a civil right. The response by the department is they are following procedure. Some paid time off or a desk job while they investigate. Then the cop is back out on the street like nothing happened.

Are you really trying to make the case a cops job is hard and they shouldnt have a spotlight put on them when they fuckup? It just seems like such a weird complaint imo.

 

[xBiffx]

So you can sue an individual policeman?
There's no cases of policemen keeping all their pensions and perks if they do get punished?
There's no evidence that police forces cover up misdemeanours?

You can sue an individual policeman. Not sure why you are even asking.

If the policeman's conduct causes them to lose their job, then generally that means they forfeit all benefits. When a policeman is put on leave as punishment for their actions, generally they lose pay because of it.

I am sure there is evidence somewhere. Doesn't that mean it happens a lot, or even enough to worry about? Come to me with evidence that this happens all the time and I might change my mind.

Still, I have to wonder how this has anything to do with your previous point about procedures and independent investigations.

 

[xBiffx]

Of course we feel it ok to point out when a public servant breaks the law or violates our civil rights. Are you really arguing it isnt?

No I am not.

Are you really trying to make the case a cops job is hard and they shouldnt have a spotlight put on them when they fuckup? It just seems like such a weird complaint imo.

Just making the case that a cops fuckups are on par with their job requirements/duties. People seem to forget that.

 

[WelshBloke]

You can sue an individual policeman. Not sure why you are even asking.

In fact, police are immune from suit for the performance of their jobs unless willful, unreasonable conduct is demonstrated. Mere negligence, the failure to exercise due care, is not enough to create liability. Immunity therefore means that in the typical police-suspect interaction, the suspect cannot sue the police.

http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil-rights-overview/police-misconduct-and-civil-rights.html

You'll forgive me if I don't trust your other answers in light of that won't you?

 

[xBiffx]

http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil-rights-overview/police-misconduct-and-civil-rights.html

You'll forgive me if I don't trust your other answers in light of that won't you?

Did you even read it? Your own link contradicts you. Self pwnage ftw.

 

[WelshBloke]

Did you even read it? Your own link contradicts you. Self pwnage ftw.

You were talking about double standards. There seems a clear double standard between where a policeman can be sued and when, say, a doctor could be.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Is anyone stopping you?

Of course no one's stopping me. I was curious to see what the reaction would be as there are some on here that seem to have the attitude that the only good cop is a dead cop.

For the record, I have no problem with holding cops to a high standard. But it infuriates me that people (in general) won't hold elected officials to that same standard. A bad cop can certainly royally ah heck up a person's life and potentially have an adverse impact on a community, but your typical corrupt, self-serving, incompetent political hack (or .gov bureaucrat) can have a potentially major impact on a much larger scale.

 

[WelshBloke]

Of course no one's stopping me. I was curious to see what the reaction would be as there are some on here that seem to have the attitude that the only good cop is a dead cop.

Why not just make one if you're curious?

For the record, I have no problem with holding cops to a high standard. But it infuriates me that people (in general) won't hold elected officials to that same standard. A bad cop can certainly royally ah heck up a person's life and potentially have an adverse impact on a community, but your typical corrupt, self-serving, incompetent political hack (or .gov bureaucrat) can have a potentially major impact on a much larger scale.

You're not suggesting that people don't make lots of posts criticising politicians are you? I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one or two of those here.

 

[xBiffx]

You were talking about double standards. There seems a clear double standard between where a policeman can be sued and when, say, a doctor could be.

Tell me when a doctor and police have the same job regarding what you linked. No double standard exists when you expect that lawsuits brought against the two are different and have different requirements.

Both can be sued, you never backed up your ridiculous claim and now you are doubling down on it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Tell me when a doctor and police have the same job regarding what you linked.

So you're saying that there is a double standard and police have extra immunity from being sued.

 

[xBiffx]

So you're saying that there is a double standard and police have extra immunity from being sued.

Nope. But you knew that.

 

[WelshBloke]

Nope. But you knew that.

So you can sue the police for the same things that you can sue other professions for?

 

[xBiffx]

So you can sue the police for the same things that you can sue other professions for?

Not exactly. You'd have trouble suing a policeman for medical malpractice for example. Not saying you couldn't, but its would be a difficult case to make.

But you can sue them. You claimed otherwise and have failed miserably at backup that up. Probably time to stop asking silly questions.