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ArmyVet88

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I am a 2x Afghanistan Veteran, Airborne Combat Engineer who was attached to a Special Forces Group my 4 years while on active duty. This guy has embellished his record and made himself to be something he was not. I have read his manifesto and it did pain me to see that he got fucked over when doing the right thing. Its a shame no one will remember him or his reasons after the media completely throws this under the buss and polishes it to make it fir their agenda. Kind of was rooting for this guy in a weird way.
 

Ns1

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I am a 2x Afghanistan Veteran, Airborne Combat Engineer who was attached to a Special Forces Group my 4 years while on active duty. This guy has embellished his record and made himself to be something he was not. I have read his manifesto and it did pain me to see that he got fucked over when doing the right thing. Its a shame no one will remember him or his reasons after the media completely throws this under the buss and polishes it to make it fir their agenda. Kind of was rooting for this guy in a weird way.

So you have no problem with him killing 5 poeple?
 

SaurusX

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I am a 2x Afghanistan Veteran, Airborne Combat Engineer who was attached to a Special Forces Group my 4 years while on active duty. This guy has embellished his record and made himself to be something he was not. I have read his manifesto and it did pain me to see that he got fucked over when doing the right thing. Its a shame no one will remember him or his reasons after the media completely throws this under the buss and polishes it to make it fir their agenda. Kind of was rooting for this guy in a weird way.

What exactly were his reasons for killing the daughter and son-in-law of his counsel? He threw himself deep under the bus. Dorner was a run-of-the-mill psycho with a manifesto that perfectly describes his disturbed nature. He's no hero. He's a dog.
 

AstroManLuca

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I am a 2x Afghanistan Veteran, Airborne Combat Engineer who was attached to a Special Forces Group my 4 years while on active duty. This guy has embellished his record and made himself to be something he was not. I have read his manifesto and it did pain me to see that he got fucked over when doing the right thing. Its a shame no one will remember him or his reasons after the media completely throws this under the buss and polishes it to make it fir their agenda. Kind of was rooting for this guy in a weird way.

Doesn't take any kind of media polishing or intervention to completely torpedo this guy's legacy. Facts are facts - he killed innocent people because he was a fucking psycho. Any crimes against him, real or imagined, were absolutely inconsequential in the face of how he reacted.

Actually it is sort of like 9/11 - America's actions in the Middle East created resentment and then OBL goes crazy and attacks us. Maybe it wasn't totally unprovoked, but it wasn't a justifiable or sane response either.
 
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Chrono

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I was hoping he'd go out with a bang... like blow up the whole moutain side with dynamite or something. Would have been a crazy end to this story.
 

brigden

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You people are sick. Regardless of what you think of the police, or the LAPD specifically, this psychopath slaughtered four people, including two civilians, in cold blood.
 

Red Squirrel

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While he does deserve to be punished for what he did, the LAPD also deserves to be revealed by whatever information he was trying to put out there. I just wish he had managed to go his way without having to kill people. It would make the LAPD look even more bad for trying to kill someone who is not actually a murderer.
 

Arkaign

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You people are sick. Regardless of what you think of the police, or the LAPD specifically, this psychopath slaughtered four people, including two civilians, in cold blood.

The LAPD has killed far more than four innocent people over the years :)

Not that I think Dorner was justified in any way by targeting innocents, or even choosing violence as his response. If he was as smart as he thought he was, he could have used the media and other means to further his goals much more effectively.
 

Red Storm

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The LAPD has killed far more than four innocent people over the years :)

Not that I think Dorner was justified in any way by targeting innocents, or even choosing violence as his response. If he was as smart as he thought he was, he could have used the media and other means to further his goals much more effectively.

He wouldn't even be a blip on the radar if he tried to do it non-violently. Sad but that's the truth. No one would care about his story whatsoever, so he did what our society has shown is the best way to get everyone's attention.
 

surfsatwerk

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He wouldn't even be a blip on the radar if he tried to do it non-violently. Sad but that's the truth. No one would care about his story whatsoever, so he did what our society has shown is the best way to get everyone's attention.

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QueBert

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The LAPD has killed far more than four innocent people over the years :)

Not that I think Dorner was justified in any way by targeting innocents, or even choosing violence as his response. If he was as smart as he thought he was, he could have used the media and other means to further his goals much more effectively.

But the way he handled it ended up letting everyone see cops shoot up a car with 2 older ladies in it, run another off the road and chant "burn that mother fucker!" after they set the cabin he was in on fire. Maybe now average people who believe 99.9% of the LAPD and cops in general are great people will start to look a bit deeper. It's a shame it took him shooting people for it to get to this point. But if he had spoken out and not shot anyone, the majority of people would write off everything he said. When I lived in LA county, I lived in a gang area, and honestly I was more wary of the police than the gang members.

Even people who think he's a cold blooded should hopefully at least realize now cops are either thugs, or friends of thugs. Turning the other cheek when you know bad shit is going down makes you just as bad as the ones doing it.
 

DesiPower

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The LAPD has killed far more than four innocent people over the years :)

Not that I think Dorner was justified in any way by targeting innocents, or even choosing violence as his response. If he was as smart as he thought he was, he could have used the media and other means to further his goals much more effectively.

Innocent is a relative term, every gov agency in every single country in the world has done the same. You know who LAPD did not kill? Educated working class people who are doing something with their lives and paying taxes that keep the world going and providing food and shelter for millions like you. Police is in charge of maintaining law and order. Nobody who was already following law and order and did not hate cops, were killed.

Coming from a 3rd world country, I know what bad cops and govt agencies can do, your statement full of bull.
 

Farang

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You people are sick. Regardless of what you think of the police, or the LAPD specifically, this psychopath slaughtered four people, including two civilians, in cold blood.

You can't fault people for liking a good story. I also had a weird sense of rooting for him, I suppose because I was interested to see how it ended. Him being a former LEO I was expecting something different than the 'surrounded and killed' ending typical of these things, and I suppose we got it in that they burned the house he was in to the ground. I don't remember this happening before in recent times.

Of course enjoying a good story takes detaching yourself from the effects of what he did, which is horrible.
 

Phokus

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Innocent is a relative term, every gov agency in every single country in the world has done the same. You know who LAPD did not kill? Educated working class people who are doing something with their lives and paying taxes that keep the world going and providing food and shelter for millions like you. Police is in charge of maintaining law and order. Nobody who was already following law and order and did not hate cops, were killed.

Coming from a 3rd world country, I know what bad cops and govt agencies can do, your statement full of bull.

LMAO, are you retarded, the LAPD shot at people without ID'ing them just for DRIVING A PICKUP TRUCK.

The only reason why they aren't dead is because they're terrible shots.
 
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AstroManLuca

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Innocent is a relative term, every gov agency in every single country in the world has done the same. You know who LAPD did not kill? Educated working class people who are doing something with their lives and paying taxes that keep the world going and providing food and shelter for millions like you. Police is in charge of maintaining law and order. Nobody who was already following law and order and did not hate cops, were killed.

Coming from a 3rd world country, I know what bad cops and govt agencies can do, your statement full of bull.

No but they almost did:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...t-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/

Apparently those cops need to get their eyes or brains checked because they can't tell the difference between a 270 lb black man and a couple of older women delivering newspapers.

That kind of shoot-first mentality ought to get those officers thrown in prison or at least fired and permanently blacklisted from law enforcement jobs. They'll probably get a few weeks of paid vacation followed by a light slap on the wrist.
 

QueBert

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We don't know everything about that yet, hold your horses

We don't need to know everything, there are 3 explanations for what happened

1. they're incompetent
2. they're evil
3. they're both

If they had killed the 2 people in the truck, they'd be on "administrative leave" I wonder what it takes for a police officer to be considered a cold blooded killer. Because here they attempted to murder innocent people.
 

Arkaign

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Innocent is a relative term, every gov agency in every single country in the world has done the same. You know who LAPD did not kill? Educated working class people who are doing something with their lives and paying taxes that keep the world going and providing food and shelter for millions like you. Police is in charge of maintaining law and order. Nobody who was already following law and order and did not hate cops, were killed.

Coming from a 3rd world country, I know what bad cops and govt agencies can do, your statement full of bull.

Haha, and you know this how, of their entire history? Hell they very nearly murdered two old ladies delivering newspapers just a week ago.

Even Rampart wasn't very long ago, and included a cop murdering another cop during road rage :

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/lapd/scandal/cron.html

There are dozens of incidents over the years of course.
 

AHamick

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I am a 2x Afghanistan Veteran, Airborne Combat Engineer who was attached to a Special Forces Group my 4 years while on active duty. This guy has embellished his record and made himself to be something he was not. I have read his manifesto and it did pain me to see that he got fucked over when doing the right thing. Its a shame no one will remember him or his reasons after the media completely throws this under the buss and polishes it to make it fir their agenda. Kind of was rooting for this guy in a weird way.

Good to see Military personnel sticking with their brothers, oh wait...

http://military.blogs.mydesert.com/tag/michael-crain/

According to information released by the police department via Facebook, Officer Michael Crain served in the Marine Corps in the late 1990s and early 2000s. He graduated from Redlands High School in Redlands, Calif. in 1996 and enlisted following a year of study at a nearby community college. He was hired by Riverside Police Department in August 2001.

Crain, 34, deployed twice to Kuwait, the deparment posted. He served with the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) and 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines. He was also a Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT) instructor at Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, they said.

According to the department, Crain’s military awards and decorations include the Good Conduct Medal, Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Sea Service Deployment Ribbon with 1 star, Rifle Marksmanship Badge, and Certificate of Commendation.

During his enlistment, Crain attained the rank of Sgt., they said.

But you keep kinda rooting for this sick fuck anyway buddy, he's a real role model.
 

Arkaign

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We don't know everything about that yet, hold your horses

Haha what in the holy fuck? "We don't know everything about that yet"? Are you fucking serious? They went apeshit and shot them full of holes despite them being completely innocent of anything remotely to do with Chris Dorner. They were DELIVERING NEWSPAPERS and were heavily assaulted with many dozens of rounds fired without warning.
 

Ns1

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Arkaign

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and none of this makes up for the fact that the d-bag from the OP killed 5 people.

I agree totally. Two wrongs don't make a right, and I would never say something like that, please don't confuse me with those folks!
 

Arkaign

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We don't need to know everything, there are 3 explanations for what happened

1. they're incompetent
2. they're evil
3. they're both

If they had killed the 2 people in the truck, they'd be on "administrative leave" I wonder what it takes for a police officer to be considered a cold blooded killer. Because here they attempted to murder innocent people.

Yep, the standards need to be changed, as it stands police are almost never accountable for misconduct, and 'paid leave', in other words 'a free vacation while we wait for this to blow over' is typically the supposed 'penalty' for things that if a regular citizen did, would end up with them in prison.
 

Farang

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Yep, the standards need to be changed, as it stands police are almost never accountable for misconduct, and 'paid leave', in other words 'a free vacation while we wait for this to blow over' is typically the supposed 'penalty' for things that if a regular citizen did, would end up with them in prison.

Yea we've had some pretty bad cases up here. Check out Ted Williams, alcoholic woodcarver Indian dude. Was walking around minding his business when a cop stopped to harass him. A minute later he's dead. The find a pocket knife in his hand (blade closed) and thats the justification for shooting him, cop is cleared