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Newbian

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Lifer
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zanejohnson said:
i mean civilian kills, also civilian kills with drone strikes...
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We are talking about a man going on a shooting rampage and killing innocents in this case.

This has nothing to do with war time fighting last I checked.

I don't see the reason to bring that up here when they are completely different topics and if you want to talk about those feel free to post in the P&N threads that deal with that.
 
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How many fire-fights was this guy involved in? And each one ended up with the other side retreating or being shot. Also add to that he was outnumbered in each of the fire-fights. He was an absolute bad ass. They wanted nothing to do with raiding that building so they burnt it down.
 
highland145

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OILFIELDTRASH said:
How many fire-fights was this guy involved in? And each one ended up with the other side retreating or being shot. Also add to that he was outnumbered in each of the fire-fights. He was an absolute bad ass. They wanted nothing to do with raiding that building so they burnt it down.
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Killed the 2 in the parking garage
Ambushed 2 (3?) cops at a stop light.
Haven't caught up on the news for the officer killed yesterday.

That's it, right?
 
OILFIELDTRASH

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highland145 said:
Killed the 2 in the parking garage
Ambushed 2 (3?) cops at a stop light.
Haven't caught up on the news for the officer killed yesterday.

That's it, right?
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He was in two different ones where police followed him by vehicle he stops and lays down fire and either shoots them or they retreat. Remember this is one man taking on squad cars with two highly trained officers.
 
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I don't feel bad for Mr Dorner. He chose his path and I don't think he expected any mercy after the acts he had committed.
 
highland145

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OILFIELDTRASH said:
He was in two different ones where police followed him by vehicle he stops and lays down fire and either shoots them or they retreat. Remember this is one man taking on squad cars with two highly trained officers.
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Missed that but I would think any normal thinking person that's getting shot at is going to have an "oh, shit" moment and run for cover. At least, my pansy butt would be.
 
Newbian

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highland145 said:
Missed that but I would think any normal thinking person that's getting shot at is going to have an "oh, shit" moment and run for cover. At least, my pansy butt would be.
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Didn't he open fire before they could even get out?
 
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Ok, I don't even understand why they would throw a smoke grenade in the house, unless they were specifically trying to burn it down with him inside.

Someone correct me but I believe there are at least two types.. The 'smoke' type that would never catch fire, and the 'incendiary' type that has a flame, gets hot, and is basically designed to burn things down.


This entire thing is just terrible, and is in my opinion one of the worst things LEOs have done in the past 10 years.

Everything from attempting to murder multiple innocent civilians without warning to having roadblocks where they point rifles at children in cars. This entire thing is so far beyond botched, I just can't even believe it.
 
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Newbian said:
There is a big difference between murder and killing during war when the other side shoots back.
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So if the other side shoots back which means you fired first and broke the rules of engagement.

Murderer
 
SpatiallyAware

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klinc said:
So if the other side shoots back which means you fired first and broke the rules of engagement.

Murderer
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From this guys' point of view, the LAPD started the war and fired first.

I don't agree with what he did at all, but after looking at how they handled the entire thing I can logically understand how and why Dorner was pushed over the edge.
 
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SpatiallyAware said:
Ok, I don't even understand why they would throw a smoke grenade in the house, unless they were specifically trying to burn it down with him inside.

Someone correct me but I believe there are at least two types.. The 'smoke' type that would never catch fire, and the 'incendiary' type that has a flame, gets hot, and is basically designed to burn things down.


This entire thing is just terrible, and is in my opinion one of the worst things LEOs have done in the past 10 years.

Everything from attempting to murder multiple innocent civilians without warning to having roadblocks where they point rifles at children in cars. This entire thing is so far beyond botched, I just can't even believe it.
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You use smoke in conjunction with tear gas to make it cover the full area. If you just use teargas it goes up in the air and lying down you can avoid it. Using smoke it will not work.

But tear gas is flammable. Just ask the ATF I think it was at Waiko where they fried that crazy cults
 
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SpatiallyAware said:
From this guys' point of view, the LAPD started the war and fired first.

I don't agree with what he did at all, but after looking at how they handled the entire thing I can logically understand how and why Dorner was pushed over the edge.
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We were referring to a war situation
 
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SpatiallyAware

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klinc said:
You use smoke in conjunction with tear gas to make it cover the full area. If you just use teargas it goes up in the air and lying down you can avoid it. Using smoke it will not work
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Yes, I am aware, but the non-incendiary smoke grenades could not catch a house on fire from what I understand.

LEOs and SWAT use smoke grenades (non-incendiary) and tear gas ALL the time. I have never, in all my years of following police reports and oddball LEO situations have heard of a smoke grenade or tear gas grenade burning down a structure UNLESS it was the specific incendiary type of smoke grenade and was intentional.
 
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Yes, I am aware, but the non-incendiary smoke grenades could not catch a house on fire from what I understand.

LEOs and SWAT use smoke grenades (non-incendiary) and tear gas ALL the time. I have never, in all my years of following police reports and oddball LEO situations have heard of a smoke grenade or tear gas grenade burning down a structure UNLESS it was the specific incendiary type of smoke grenade and was intentional.
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Waco, Texas rings a bell?
 
waggy

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zanejohnson said:
do not lose sight of what the real outrage should be...

there was NO DUE PROCESS.
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lol. while i do think he was going to die no matter what. don't be a idiot. he was fireing on the cops and had killed a few people. I really don't have a issue with them setting the house on fire and killing him.

only issue i have is the LAPD shooting and trying to kill innocent drivers of trucks.

Those cops should be fired and charged.
 
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