Cop Killer on the loose here

[Red Squirrel]

It sounds like LAPD is much worse than other departments out there, why isn't anything being done about this? You'd think the federal government would intervene at some point.

 

[Chrono]

Cindy Bachman seems like such a bitch.

 

[Baasha]

It sounds like LAPD is much worse than other departments out there, why isn't anything being done about this? You'd think the federal government would intervene at some point.

I can't comment on the LAPD but this doesn't surprise me at all. I have friends who are cops and there is a blue line; or what they call "buddy-fucking". You don't rat on another officer, period. Of course that is not ethical in the big scheme of things but being a cop puts people's backs up for various reasons. In the midst of that, if you don't watch out for each other, who will?

One could extrapolate this situation at the national level and say the same thing about armies around the world. You think each soldier is going to scrutinize his mate's actions with a microscope to maintain ethical standards at all times? It's one of those gray areas that we all know exists, but choose to ignore.

This whole system is rotten. Any "incident" that occurs needs investigation from an etic perspective; that is, OUTSIDE the purview of the department/company/family that is involved. It is pathetic to expect "internal investigation" of transgressions of the law to bear any fruit for society at large. It is similar to "internal audits" at companies (for financial purposes) who generally don't 'rat' out the company for tax evasion (or is it tax 'planning'?) An external agency needs to be involved in the case of police beatings/brutality etc. Expecting the police to reform themselves is simply naive and foolhardy.

 

[Zebo]

It sounds like LAPD is much worse than other departments out there, why isn't anything being done about this? You'd think the federal government would intervene at some point.

Feds do. FBI was inside LAPD for 10 years. Nothing much changes since they cant be everywhere and blue line is so powerful. Only way this will ever change is live feeds recording everything they do and they are terminated if feed goes down.

OFC they don't want that - they'll bust you up if you record them/

 

[Fenixgoon]

I can't comment on the LAPD but this doesn't surprise me at all. I have friends who are cops and there is a blue line; or what they call "buddy-fucking". You don't rat on another officer, period. Of course that is not ethical in the big scheme of things but being a cop puts people's backs up for various reasons. In the midst of that, if you don't watch out for each other, who will?

One could extrapolate this situation at the national level and say the same thing about armies around the world. You think each soldier is going to scrutinize his mate's actions with a microscope to maintain ethical standards at all times? It's one of those gray areas that we all know exists, but choose to ignore.

This whole system is rotten. Any "incident" that occurs needs investigation from an etic perspective; that is, OUTSIDE the purview of the department/company/family that is involved. It is pathetic to expect "internal investigation" of transgressions of the law to bear any fruit for society at large. It is similar to "internal audits" at companies (for financial purposes) who generally don't 'rat' out the company for tax evasion (or is it tax 'planning'?) An external agency needs to be involved in the case of police beatings/brutality etc. Expecting the police to reform themselves is simply naive and foolhardy.

the purpose of war is to win.

the purpose of police is to protect the populace and enforce the law.

violation of civil liberties, breaking the law to protect yourself, and colluding with others to do so, does neither.

 

[videogames101]

so, is he dead or what

 

[TallBill]

the purpose of war is to win.

the purpose of police is to protect the populace and enforce the law.

violation of civil liberties, breaking the law to protect yourself, and colluding with others to do so, does neither.

Supreme Court ruled that they are not responsible for protecting the population.

so, is he dead or what

Who knows if it was even the right guy Lol.

 

[brainhulk]

his mom was eating mexican food during standoff

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013...ng-wine-eating-chips-while-watching-standoff/

 

[Colt45]

So... bets on whether that was him in the cabin?

 

[brainhulk]

i say it was him. I guess they wanted him cooked well done

 

[OBLAMA2009]

the guy is going to go down in american history as a total bad axe. at least he took a couple more lapd down on his way out

 

[Newbian]

Nah, there are many ways of killing a man without really taking his life. Killing his children is one of them. He may become a shell of his former self. If this was his only child, he will have no grandchildren to speak of. Think of that the next time you want to destroy someone's life (or stood by while the system railroaded him, thinking only of your own interests).

I am kinda sure going around killing innocent people makes one a crazy person.

 

[Dari]

I am kinda sure going around killing innocent people makes one a crazy person.

No it doesn't.

 

[Zebo]

the guy is going to go down in american history as a total bad axe. at least he took a couple more lapd down on his way out

Really I think he's a total fail. Talked a big game in his manifesto about methodology and tactics and failed to get ANY of the targets who "wronged" him. Instead killed an innocent girl and her BF and three non LAPD cops and caught in a week. He's incompetent even at serial killing. No wonder LAPD fired him lol.

 

[Dari]

Really I think he's a total fail. Talked a big game in his manifesto about methodology and tactics and failed to get ANY of the targets who "wronged" him. Instead killed an innocent girl and her BF and three non LAPD cops and caught in a week. He's incompetent even at serial killing. No wonder LAPD fired him lol.

Really? It seems like he killed people he said he would kill.

 

[momeNt]

Really? It seems like he killed people he said he would kill.

I agree with Zebo. If that's him in the cabin I'll be disappointed.

 

[brainhulk]

Dorner to carjacking victim "I don't want to hurt you.."

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/12/dorner-to-carjacking-victim-i-dont-want-to-hurt-you/

 

[Anonemous]

So, they never ID him and no one gets the reward? If they do ID him, who gets the reward?

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Really I think he's a total fail. Talked a big game in his manifesto about methodology and tactics and failed to get ANY of the targets who "wronged" him. Instead killed an innocent girl and her BF and three non LAPD cops and caught in a week. He's incompetent even at serial killing. No wonder LAPD fired him lol.

uh, ask his former attorney whether he thinks dorner got him back good enough...

 

[Anonemous]

From http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/1...hat-ex-lapd-officer-dorner-sighted/?hpt=hp_t1

[Updated at 8:07 p.m. ET] More details on the authorities' recent assault on the cabin, which is on fire: It's not clear whether the suspect is still in the cabin, but the area is surrounded by law enforcement personnel, San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said.
Then later...
[Updated at 8:34 p.m. ET] At some point today, a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin, but he was pushed back inside, U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told CNN's Brian Todd.
We're still waiting for details about the fire at the cabin, which began about an hour ago.

Crazy so they pushed him back in when he wanted to come out after they totally surrounded him? Then you got the radio of the police saying to burn the mofo down.

 

[Newbian]

No it doesn't.

So what do you call a person that does it and makes such statements like this person did?

Sure you could call the person just a murderer but this guy did a lot more then just one thing.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

it would be cool if he had used the scuba tanks to breathe in the fire and when they go in the cabin he shoots 20 lapd

 

[zanejohnson]

So what do you call a person that does it and makes such statements like this person did?

Sure you could call the person just a murderer but this guy did a lot more then just one thing.

i know this is flame bait... but really, our military kills innocent people every day.. does it matter if they are brown and from another country.. it's a double standard...

 

[phucheneh]

That's a pretty complicated topic. Most 'murdered innocents' with regards to the military are the results of the decisions of higher-ups. E.g. they decide to call in artillery, air support, ect on a target with innocents present. Or they dictate protocol that results in 'accidents,' like the reports you hear of random people freaking out at roadblocks and getting needlessly shot up because they wouldn't stop. Lots of that kind of stuff.

Notsomuch grunts going, 'LOL arabs, lets put firecrackers in their asses!'

Not to mention the stress that the guys in regular combat had to face. When someone starts shooting at you and your buddies without provocation, you're going to be mad, and you're going to want that fucker dead.

Yeah, there are bad apples among your ground units, but it seems fairly limited to me when you compare it to police. I've seen a lot of caring and compassion from soldiers who get shot at every day by what is essentially local populace. And I see cops who spend most of their time responding to mundane calls and doing paperwork who feel the need to hand out random beatings to American citizens.

Whole can of worms here. Please do not equate our military (or at the least, the lower ranks of it) with what seems to be rampant corruption and lawlessness among our domestic police forces. They're just polar opposites. Cops have rules that they ignore. Soldiers are given more freedom (as far as rules of engagement, investigation of those killed, ect), yet still seem to maintain higher moral standards in an environment that is extremely hard to deal with.

 

[Newbian]

i know this is flame bait... but really, our military kills innocent people every day.. does it matter if they are brown and from another country.. it's a double standard...

There is a big difference between murder and killing during war when the other side shoots back.