Contagion spreading among the vaccinated

[eikelbijter]

What I really want to know is this.

We know that even mild covid-19 cases may result in long term symptoms afterwards, right?

So. Vaccinated. We get infected. Our body fights it off cause immunity - so we only get a mild case. Yay.
BUT - what about the long term aftermath? Are we still subject to all that horseshit even though vaccinated? Melted taste buds? Uninspired penises? Cognitive effects(are we gonna turn into Trumpsters?) ... Questions, so many questions.

I'd like to hear an informed answer to that as well!

 

[nakedfrog]

If you didn't lose someone to the pandemic, in my opinion, you have no travails to lament over. Don't feel guilty for the egotists.

I did not

We all risk each other's lives everyday when we get on that freeway. I'm not a fool, I'm not reckless, but we do need to stay rational.

The rational thing is for everyone who CAN be vaccinated to do so, as quickly as possible. To argue otherwise is folly. To not get vaccinated at this point is both foolish and reckless.

 

[Roger Wilco]

We all risk each other's lives everyday when we get on that freeway. I'm not a fool, I'm not reckless, but we do need to stay rational.

Is the freeway not enough risk for you then? You think its rational to willingly add another massive risk to others while your at it?

 

[dank69]

I'm a professional musician. My work stopped COLD just like that. I've done alright in my life so I wasn't ever at risk of becoming homeless or anything, but many other musicians here in LA weren't in the same boat. I know of a few people personally whose lives have been upended in ways you guys can't even imagine. Half the restaurants here have gone out of business, some owners who I know personally have lost everything they built up for years.

We all risk each other's lives everyday when we get on that freeway. I'm not a fool, I'm not reckless, but we do need to stay rational.

Okay, so how do masks or vaccines hurt? They are our best option for avoiding more lockdowns.

Pretty sure getting a different job is preferable to death, but what do I know. Most of the problems you describe could have been alleviated with a lot more stimulus. Every other nation seemed to figure that out pretty quickly. But not here. Here we have to fight about stimulus and fight about masks and fight about vaccines, and all the people fighting against those things come from one side of the aisle.

 

[nakedfrog]

What I really want to know is this.

We know that even mild covid-19 cases may result in long term symptoms afterwards, right?

So. Vaccinated. We get infected. Our body fights it off cause immunity - so we only get a mild case. Yay.
BUT - what about the long term aftermath? Are we still subject to all that horseshit even though vaccinated? Melted taste buds? Uninspired penises? Cognitive effects(are we gonna turn into Trumpsters?) ... Questions, so many questions.

We'll find out. Evidence suggests that getting vaccinated could help with long covid symptoms in those who caught it before they were vaccinated, so there's that.

 

[eikelbijter]

When everybody is vaccinated, how many of your new reported cases is gonna be from fully vaccinated people? This is a test .

Of course it's 100%.

What I'm getting at though is that, in THIS CASE, not yet another hypothetical situation, in REALITY we just saw something like 24 THOUSAND cases in fully vaccinated Brits reported in ONE DAY. The notion that if we just vaccinate everybody we prevent those who haven't been infected from getting it seems like wishful thinking.

 

[cytg111]

We'll find out. Evidence suggests that getting vaccinated could help with long covid symptoms in those who caught it before they were vaccinated, so there's that.

Guess it makes sense, if I am to get a long term thing from covid ON the vaccine I guess it woulda been so much worse without.

 

[cytg111]

Of course it's 100%.

What I'm getting at though is that, in THIS CASE, not yet another hypothetical situation, in REALITY we just saw something like 24 THOUSAND cases in fully vaccinated Brits reported in ONE DAY. The notion that if we just vaccinate everybody we prevent those who haven't been infected from getting it seems like wishful thinking.

Without the graph putting those 24k into context its just a number, also, what "kind" of cases? Are they Asymptomatic? Mild? Anyone of those 24k been tubed?

 

[eikelbijter]

Okay, so how do masks or vaccines hurt? They are our best option for avoiding more lockdowns.

Pretty sure getting a different job is preferable to death, but what do I know. Most of the problems you describe could have been alleviated with a lot more stimulus. Every other nation seemed to figure that out pretty quickly. But not here. Here we have to fight about stimulus and fight about masks and fight about vaccines, and all the people fighting against those things come from one side of the aisle.

I never said vaccines hurt, or even that masks hurt, although I do believe they have done more psychological damage than we are willing to admit.

Even MORE stimulus huh? I wonder if you're still gonna say that when the effects of that much borrowing are gonna start really kicking in. At some point the Fed WILL have to raise rates and the fallout of that is quite possibly going to be biblical in its proportions.

 

[eikelbijter]

I did not

The rational thing is for everyone who CAN be vaccinated to do so, as quickly as possible. To argue otherwise is folly. To not get vaccinated at this point is both foolish and reckless.

Not if you've been infected with Covid it isn't! If you haven't, depending on your risk level, it certainly can be considered reckless, but foolish is not for you to say. If you're healthy and under 40 it's not anymore foolish than mountain biking or parachuting.

 

[nakedfrog]

Of course it's 100%.

What I'm getting at though is that, in THIS CASE, not yet another hypothetical situation, in REALITY we just saw something like 24 THOUSAND cases in fully vaccinated Brits reported in ONE DAY. The notion that if we just vaccinate everybody we prevent those who haven't been infected from getting it seems like wishful thinking.

Source?
I found this, but no mention of how many of them were fully vaccinated: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/br...ly-covid-19-cases-first-rise-week-2021-07-28/

 

[cytg111]

I never said vaccines hurt, or even that masks hurt, although I do believe they have done more psychological damage than we are willing to admit.

Well, this little virus was an EXCELLENT opportunity to unite people vs. an outwards enemy.
EXCELLENT opportunity.
But. You know. MORONS. Actually they are not morons, bitches be out of work if internal conflict suddenly went away. CANT HAVE THAT.

 

[cytg111]

Source?
I found this, but no mention of how many of them were fully vaccinated: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/br...ly-covid-19-cases-first-rise-week-2021-07-28/

Yea I searched a bit couldnt find it either.

 

[nakedfrog]

Not if you've been infected with Covid it isn't! If you haven't, depending on your risk level, it certainly can be considered reckless, but foolish is not for you to say. If you're healthy and under 40 it's not anymore foolish than mountain biking or parachuting.

Give me $2.21 so I can take your opinion and get my double cheeseburger already.

 

[nakedfrog]

Yea I searched a bit couldnt find it either.

The most likely reason for that is that it's bullshit, like much else that he's got to say.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm a professional musician. My work stopped COLD just like that. I've done alright in my life so I wasn't ever at risk of becoming homeless or anything, but many other musicians here in LA weren't in the same boat. I know of a few people personally whose lives have been upended in ways you guys can't even imagine. Half the restaurants here have gone out of business, some owners who I know personally have lost everything they built up for years.

We all risk each other's lives everyday when we get on that freeway. I'm not a fool, I'm not reckless, but we do need to stay rational.

Why do you think "you guys" can't even imagine?

 

[cytg111]

The most likely reason for that is that it's bullshit, like much else that he's got to say.

I think he's got a little pride going on, I am not judging him too hard on that.

 

[eikelbijter]

Source?
I found this, but no mention of how many of them were fully vaccinated: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/br...ly-covid-19-cases-first-rise-week-2021-07-28/

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[eikelbijter]

Why do you think "you guys" can't even imagine?

Because I got MULTPLE posts saying this year was BETTER than normal, because I assume, and yes, ASSUME, that most on this forum are geeks of above average intelligence in professions that have not been adversely impacted by the pandemic, and in many cases were POSITIVELY affected. Hell, California took in more than a billion dollars MORE revenue in taxes than the year before the pandemic, with MILLIONS out of work.There are quite a few who have benefited financially from this horror show.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Because I got MULTPLE posts saying this year was BETTER than normal, because I assume, and yes, ASSUME, that most on this forum are geeks of above average intelligence in professions that have not been adversely impacted by the pandemic, and in many cases were POSITIVELY affected. Hell, California took in more than a billion dollars MORE revenue in taxes than the year before the pandemic, with MILLIONS out of work.There are quite a few who have benefited financially from this horror show.

So what? That's some people's experience. I didn't see anyone try to say that everyone is getting the same thing. Some people have made shit loads of money, others are now destitute.

Someone's personal experience on this board doesn't automatically assume that they don't know anyone negatively affected.

 

[nakedfrog]

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So, where in there does it say that those 24k cases were in people that were fully vaccinated? Looking around, I'm not seeing it. Here's your opportunity to show me up, Hamburglar.

 

[eikelbijter]

Well, this little virus was an EXCELLENT opportunity to unite people vs. an outwards enemy.
EXCELLENT opportunity.
But. You know. MORONS. Actually they are not morons, bitches be out of work if internal conflict suddenly went away. CANT HAVE THAT.

I'm not sure what you're babbling about, but I'm talking about kids in very precarious times of their lives not seeing faces, instilling some sort of baseline fear of "the others".

In a population like here in LA where I've lived for damn near 30 years now, where irrational fear is almost a religion, it's made it even worse than I thought humanly possible.

 

[eikelbijter]

So what? That's some people's experience. I didn't see anyone try to say that everyone is getting the same thing. Some people have made shit loads of money, others are now destitute.

Someone's personal experience on this board doesn't automatically assume that they don't know anyone negatively affected.

So would you agree with me that the world "stopped" for at least some people? Because that notion was ridiculed by others a few posts up.

 

[pmv]

So, where in there does it say that those 24k cases were in people that were fully vaccinated? Looking around, I'm not seeing it. Here's your opportunity to show me up, Hamburglar.

This is another reason why I really dislike information being conveyed in videos rather than text (though that particular youtube doc I believe is quite a sensible one), because it's hard to extract or cite individual parts of what is said. But in that video he does mention that of "total infections" 22% are part-vaccinated and 18% fully so. Not sure how that relates to the 24,000 figure...I mean one could work it out but it means shuffling back-and-forth in the video to see the figures.

Point is that being vaccinated doesn't completely stop you getting the infection, it just greatly reduces the chances of needing hospitalisation or of dying from it. What I keep seeing is that they don't entirely know yet whether the vaccinated are less likely to infect others.

Edit - I think it means 13000 of the 24000 are part-vaccinated and 11000 fully-vaccinated.

 

[eikelbijter]

So, where in there does it say that those 24k cases were in people that were fully vaccinated? Looking around, I'm not seeing it. Here's your opportunity to show me up, Hamburglar.

Here ya go:

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Again, I'm not saying this is 100% accurate, I don't KNOW and nobody does; NO numbers are perfect, all models are wrong, some are useful. But this is a legit project.