Considering going water cooling

[EvilSponge]

Hello all,

I have been thinking for awhile with the advent or multicore cpu's I just saw intel has a six core in the works now that more cooling will be needed in the future. With that being said I'm looking to hear from experienced water people about the technology and the associated costs I am currently running a lapped TR ultra extreme 120 HS with yateloon 120mm fan it keeps my q6600 at 66-67c under prime 95 small fft stress testing. What kind of temps would I expect with water? what cost? I have to say I'm a but worried by having water flowing by my expensive components.

-sponge

 

[aigomorla]

I will love to help you out, however, the 6 core system was leaked by sun. The board that it fits in is a 4 cpu board.

Sun makes MP processor systems. These guys have price tags in the mid 5 digit figures.

If your looking at such a system, i dont think you'll be coming here for advice. A Sun Engineer, a IT Supervisor would be more in your leauge to ask for advice.

 

[EvilSponge]

Nope didn't realize that. Well either way I image soon we may see such a thing for our desktops eventually. I read your excellent water cooling guide and it educated me allot I guess is it better to piece together a system from parts or buy a preengineered solution such as the corsair water cooler.

Thanks for your time,
-sponge

Oh average cost?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: EvilSponge
Nope didn't realize that. Well either way I image soon we may see such a thing for our desktops eventually. I read your excellent water cooling guide and it educated me allot I guess is it better to piece together a system from parts or buy a preengineered solution such as the corsair water cooler.

Thanks for your time,
-sponge

Oh average cost?

varies depending on your objective.

And what you want to cool. Best thing is give me a value which you'd be comfortable with, and i'll recomend some stuff, or tell you to wait and stay on air. :T

 

[Cheezeit]

If you want to cool CPU and GPU mid range, It will cost around or over 300
Last time I checked you could get a Swiftech apogee, mcr 220, 665 pump, micro res, DD maze 5, and some tubing for around that price.

 

[aigomorla]

mcr220 is going to be very limited for a gpu+cpu loop.

 

[EvilSponge]

Wow $300 really I didn't realize it was that much well I'd be cooling my Q6600 GO looking for lower temps than my 66-67c full load of my 3.6ghz clocked cpu

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: EvilSponge
Wow $300 really I didn't realize it was that much well I'd be cooling my Q6600 GO looking for lower temps than my 66-67c full load of my 3.6ghz clocked cpu

could probably do it for around 200 at the lowest for a cpu only loop.

 

[EvilSponge]

Hey aigomorla what kind of temps could I expect with water? OC'ed at my current level?

 

[zanejohnson]

just throwing this out there, but water might not be your best choice unless you plan on cooling your GPU as well with the kit....


look at pelteir coolers, the coolit freezone line are really nice and almost live up to watercooling standards..

the only drawback to pelteir cooling is they can really draw alof of amps from your power supply when they are actively cooling..

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: zanejohnson
just throwing this out there, but water might not be your best choice unless you plan on cooling your GPU as well with the kit....


look at pelteir coolers, the coolit freezone line are really nice and almost live up to watercooling standards..

the only drawback to pelteir cooling is they can really draw alof of amps from your power supply when they are actively cooling..

Sorry coolit is not all its out to be. The unit is very limited for the price range. A TRUE will race and catch it at higher overclocks, and quite possibly beat it.

TEC's can only move a set amount of voltage, and the units are nowhere near capable of unloading an overclocked Quadcore.

Stick with a TRUE or do a real water migration. This is where im tring to get it.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: zanejohnson
just throwing this out there, but water might not be your best choice unless you plan on cooling your GPU as well with the kit....


look at pelteir coolers, the coolit freezone line are really nice and almost live up to watercooling standards..

the only drawback to pelteir cooling is they can really draw alof of amps from your power supply when they are actively cooling..

Sorry coolit is not all its out to be. The unit is very limited for the price range. A TRUE will race and catch it at higher overclocks, and quite possibly beat it.

TEC's can only move a set amount of voltage, and the units are nowhere near capable of unloading an overclocked Quadcore.

Stick with a TRUE or do a real water migration. This is where im tring to get it.

QFT, it's starting to look like we need a TEC guide around here. I wonder if anyone around here could write one up. Like someone who used to use them a LN recirculator to cool Yag lasers....

@OP CPU only loops are a great way to make a slow migration to water cooling. The overall benefits of water cooling a GPU are substantially less than a CPU, most of the last and about half of the current generation of cards can be safely cooled passively, you definately cannot say the same about CPUs. A mid-range CPU only loop will seem expensive compared to a high end air cooler but, it's an intro, and it's fun. It's like extenz for your e-peen.

 

[EvilSponge]

LOL DerwenArtos12 ok I'll have to mull it over thanks for the input

 

[EvilSponge]

Can I get a parts list for a cpu loop only. I want to start off slow.
Thanks,
-sponge

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: EvilSponge
Can I get a parts list for a cpu loop only. I want to start off slow.
Thanks,
-sponge

budget!

 

[EvilSponge]

Well I'm looking to buy it a peice at a time like one month I'll get the cpu water block the next the pump ect. Say $200? See my sig for what I'm trying to cool also will it beat my 62-63c loaded temps?

Thanks,
-sponge
Also will my Antec900 work well for this?

 

[EvilSponge]

Well I'm looking to buy it a peice at a time like one month I'll get the cpu water block the next the pump ect. Say $200? See my sig for what I'm trying to cool also will it beat my 62-63c loaded temps?

Thanks,
-sponge
Also will my Antec900 work well for this?

 

[Rubycon]

TEC is very useful for precision spot cooling where control is paramount. Proper deployment from condensation control to monitoring and safeguarding OTOH is beyond the scope of 98% of the enthusiast crowd, however.

Better watercooling is afforded by using a chiller. It can be simple or complex. A thorough psychological evaluation is recommended to see where you stand on tolerance levels before you proceed.

 

[aigomorla]

XSPC Res/Top Combo

Swiftech MCP-355

EK Supreme

MCR320

7/16ID Masterkleer

<possible chipset block if you like>


To start

 

[EvilSponge]

Thanks aigomorla you did not mention do you think my antec 900 would be a good case for this it does have rubber gommets for tubing I believe. Oh how many feet of the tubing I think I'll start there oh and 1 gallon of distilled water right can I add food coloring for effect LOL the pump is as much as my TRUE! I like the danger aspect water around electronics gotta love it. It's the whole reason men like to BARBQ! Seriously your water cooling newbie faq made me think I might be able to do this without frying my stuff


-sponge

 

[EvilSponge]

I don't think I can fit that radiator in my case. My power supply mounts at the bottom and I have a big 200mm fan at the top other options?

-sponge

 

[Jessica69]

I know you're worried about the expense of going to watercooling, but realize.....it's an investment that can be moved from computer to computer. The parts are not throwaway, unlike air cpu coolers, for the most part. So, spending that $200 or so, while daunting for an up front expense, is an expense that can be thought of being spread over a long time of use. Over a year, that $200 comes out to less than $20/mo.

And as for the radiator, there are ways to mount them on the rear of the case.....the RadBox is one way.

http://www.performance-pcs.com...h=335&products_id=1956 (This is one place that carries it....Performance PCs....has good pics of how it mounts on this page, too.)


Go here, XtremeSystems.org, and look at some of the water cooled systems others have assembled.....you can get a lot of ideas from others' work....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f.../forumdisplay.php?f=70 Go to the Water Cooled Case Gallery at the top of the thread list......and look, and look, and look. Lots of great work in there!

 

[EvilSponge]

Hey Jessica69,

Yeah to be honest I'm not totally freaked out by the price as I'm trying to get over the phobia about water near electronics . With that being said I appreciate your links I figured people have had to deal with the same issues as me. I have to say though for my case the biggest radiator I can do would be the 2x120mm foot print type yeah the adapter thing will work for me I believe. You must be a water cooled person what are you cooling right now? Do you think water can bring my temps lower than 63c loaded for my quad @ 3.6ghz?

Thanks,
-sponge

I agree with teh investment part just planning on buying the stuff one peice a month

 

[EvilSponge]

Yeah looked at the xsystems water gallery the one thing I noticed is the cases are typically full towers which would be better for accomdating all the extra gear needed for water. Dunno I do have a largish Lian-Li case still could convert that to water esaier than my antec 900

 

[0roo0roo]

seriously missed the boat on water cooling.
it was somewhat justified during p4 overclocking madness days.
now its excessive, intel processors are ridiculously fast and cool while doing it. use the money to save up for a bigger screen or something. the new overclocking is buying a 30" lcd dude. hardcore is 2 30".
yes, even al gore has triple 30" lcd desktop. you can't let al gore beat you right?