Conservatives are for kneeling on the football field only for causes they approve

[HomerJS]

If addressed properly, the problem goes away (the pressure on the students to join). That didn't happen. Now it's going to the supreme court. It absurd. Reasonable accommodations can and should be made for personal religious practices so that they don't apply pressure to others to comply. That's all I'm going to say. This isn't a hill I'm going to die on.

God and @nakedfrog already addressed the solution. Why are they wrong and you right??

Mark 6:5-6:8
"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen."

 

[pcgeek11]

I also think it is just stupid grandstanding just like that other @sshole Colin Kapernick.

 

[HomerJS]

I also think it is just stupid grandstanding just like that other @sshole Colin Kapernick.

CK was protesting for a worthy cause. He wanted attention for that cause.

The one thing I've noticed from right wingers, no matter how black people protest they always object.
DeSantis even passed a law abridging the rights of protestors and implied it was ok for them to be run over by drivers

 

[Ajay]

God and @nakedfrog already addressed the solution. Why are they wrong and you right??

Because nakedfrog seemed to be missing the main point of of that scripture. I tire, sometimes, of dealing with out of context 'bible bingo' comments. I was also trying not to be an ass about it. If the coach had knelt in the middle of the field only out of show - then he would be acting like a Pharisee. That doesn’t appear to be his motivation.

Anyway, not it’s before the Supreme Court. I hope that neither side gets what they seem to want.

Edit, derp.

 

[HomerJS]

Because nakedfrog seemed to be missing the main point of of that scripture. I tire, sometimes, of dealing with out of context 'bible bingo' comments. I was also trying not to be an ass about it. If the coach had knelt in the middle of the field only out of show - then he would be acting like a Pharisee. That doesn’t appear to be his motivation.

Anyway, not it’s before the Supreme Court. I hope that neither side gets what they seem to want.

Actually it is being heard by the court now. Why didn't the coach just bow his head on the bench and quietly pray? There would be no issue. That's the meaning behind the bible verse IMO.

 

[noway069111]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused by the OP. What exactly does this have to do with politics and discussions about conservatives and liberals? Is he under the impression that liberals are non-religious and only conservatives are? Makes absolutely no sense and seems like trolling.

 

[HomerJS]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused by the OP. What exactly does this have to do with politics and discussions about conservatives and liberals? Is he under the impression that liberals are non-religious and only conservatives are? Makes absolutely no sense and seems like trolling.

Do you not remember the outrage by conservatives when Colin Kapernick took a knee before NFL games and he did it from the sidelines? Now for some reason kneeling on the field is suddenly acceptable to them.

Not sure why that is murky?

 

[sandorski]

Because nakedfrog seemed to be missing the main point of of that scripture. I tire, sometimes, of dealing with out of context 'bible bingo' comments. I was also trying not to be an ass about it. If the coach had knelt in the middle of the field only out of show - then he would be acting like a Pharisee. That doesn’t appear to be his motivation.

Anyway, not it’s before the Supreme Court. I hope that neither side gets what they seem to want.

Edit, derp.

The motivation is obviously to act Piously. Just like the Phariscees.

 

[noway069111]

Do you not remember the outrage by conservatives when Colin Kapernick took a knee before NFL games and he did it from the sidelines? Now for some reason kneeling on the field is suddenly acceptable to them.

Not sure why that is murky?

Two completely different instances and nothing to do with one another. Also, where does the article talk about conservatives supporting this and all the TV coverage about it? This coach is the one taking it to the higher courts and fighting it.

You simply neglect to mention that Colin wasn't just "kneeling" on the sidelines. He was doing it on national TV and in front of a whole stadium. He knew what he was doing and knew it was going to be on TV. Also wearing shirts and giving interviews. I mean, come on, you act like he was so innocent in what he was doing. His was politically motivated. Not saying he was wrong or that he doesn't deserve another chance.

This coach was doing it for seven years with no complaint until another coach told the principle it was "pretty cool" he was able to do that. So if you think that's the same as someone actively seeking attention on a national level using it as a platform.....

Again, this has nothing to do with politics. His motivations were not political. Not sure why that is hard to understand? It's only a weapon you are using to try to make one party look bad for your personal benefit. Cheers!

NFL players praying together on the field after a game. Haven't heard anything about conservatives being angry about this. It happens all the time in the NFL. Including when players score a touchdown and then kneel down and pray.

The reason? These instances aren't political driven or trying to make a statement to others.

 

[Pens1566]

Here's the test ... if it were the same scenario, just for muslim evening prayers, would they be ok with it? No? Well then, guess it's not ok in this scenario either.

FTR, none should be allowed during the course of public school events.

 

[noway069111]

Here's the test ... if it were the same scenario, just for muslim evening prayers, would they be ok with it? No? Well then, guess it's not ok in this scenario either.

FTR, none should be allowed during the course of public school events.

He got fired for it. I do find it highly odd that the principle said he wasn't aware of it after the coach had been doing it for seven years, lol. CYA!

 

[dawp]

I don't get that argument. Is it truly "a public space"? So anyone, any member of the public, could decide to go for a stroll across the playing field, or, indeed, use it for prayer (including non-Christian ones) at any time, even while this school is attempting to play a football game on it?

Maybe if the school had provided a private room for him to perform his prayer in, before the game, that might be the 'compromise solution' you suggest? As it is it seems pretty obvious it's a performance on his part, and having an 'audience' and making a statement to the children he has authority over is the whole point.

Weird case, the coach started by making a personal prayer of thanksgiving on the field. No harm no foul. Then out of a combination of solidarity and FOMO, it turned into something else. The Directive from the district for him to stop praying on the field was a violation of his right. It’s a public space by definition. Seems like a better option would have been to require him to not allow the players to join him. It’s unfortunate for those who genuinely want to join him, but life is full of these less than ideal choices. The motivational speeches invoking his faith is the part that’s over the line in a public school. Pretty clear on that last point.

if access is restricted to sporting or class events is it really public space?

I believe most stadiums in school districts only have access for practice and games, any other time the gates are closed and locked.

 

[HomerJS]

Two completely different instances and nothing to do with one another. Also, where does the article talk about conservatives supporting this and all the TV coverage about it? This coach is the one taking it to the higher courts and fighting it.

You simply neglect to mention that Colin wasn't just "kneeling" on the sidelines. He was doing it on national TV and in front of a whole stadium. He knew what he was doing and knew it was going to be on TV. Also wearing shirts and giving interviews. I mean, come on, you act like he was so innocent in what he was doing. His was politically motivated. Not saying he was wrong or that he doesn't deserve another chance.

This coach was doing it for seven years with no complaint until another coach told the principle it was "pretty cool" he was able to do that. So if you think that's the same as someone actively seeking attention on a national level using it as a platform.....

Again, this has nothing to do with politics. His motivations were not political. Not sure why that is hard to understand? It's only a weapon you are using to try to make one party look bad for your personal benefit. Cheers!

NFL players praying together on the field after a game. Haven't heard anything about conservatives being angry about this. It happens all the time in the NFL. Including when players score a touchdown and then kneel down and pray.

The reason? These instances aren't political driven or trying to make a statement to others.

Of course CK wanted attention. He was peaceful protesting for a good cause. For the record is wasn't on TV live. National anthem happed around 5 minutes before the game. Sunday regular season not on live TV.

I didn't say the coaches motivation was political. He is in charge of the team working for the local government. There is a separation of church and state issue here.

My beef is conservatives are fine taking a knee on the field as long as they are praising their God. But let some black man protest police abuse of minorities it's a major crime.

Imagine the outrage if a Muslim player pulled out a prayer rug and faced East, there would be a new political outrage by the righties ala CRT.

 

[noway069111]

Of course CK wanted attention. He was peaceful protesting for a good cause. For the record is wasn't on TV live. National anthem happed around 5 minutes before the game. Sunday regular season not on live TV.

I didn't say the coaches motivation was political. He is in charge of the team working for the local government. There is a separation of church and state issue here.

My beef is conservatives are fine taking a knee on the field as long as they are praising their God. But let some black man protest police abuse of minorities it's a major crime.

Imagine the outrage if a Muslim player pulled out a prayer rug and faced East, there would be a new political outrage by the righties ala CRT.

Again, where in the article does it state "conservatives are fine taking a knee on the field as long as they are praising their God. " or the fact that it has anything to do with this "news" you are promoting. It's just your excuse to use it as a tool for your cause. You're no better than the people you are talking about. Ironic, isn't it?

Also, note I never said LIVE TV, I said he was on TV and knew it. Hello, McFly. It was all over the news and ESPN. Quit trying to squirm around the facts and know the truth. It's well documented. Even so, he was doing it in front of crowds of 60k+ with a political motivation. This guy was doing it in front of small audiences with no TV coverage. He was wrong for doing it after being told not to. That's why he was fired. But this isn't some national outrage article and conservatives have nothing to do with it. Geeze.

 

[thilanliyan]

Again, where in the article does it state "conservatives are fine taking a knee on the field as long as they are praising their God. " or the fact that it has anything to do with this "news" you are promoting. It's just your excuse to use it as a tool for your cause. You're no better than the people you are talking about. Ironic, isn't it?

Also, note I never said LIVE TV, I said he was on TV and knew it. Hello, McFly. It was all over the news and ESPN. Quit trying to squirm around the facts and know the truth. It's well documented. Even so, he was doing it in front of crowds of 60k+ with a political motivation. This guy was doing it in front of small audiences with no TV coverage. He was wrong for doing it after being told not to. That's why he was fired. But this isn't some national outrage article and conservatives have nothing to do with it. Geeze.

Advocating for less violence towards people is political?

 

[HomerJS]

Again, where in the article does it state "conservatives are fine taking a knee on the field as long as they are praising their God. " or the fact that it has anything to do with this "news" you are promoting. It's just your excuse to use it as a tool for your cause. You're no better than the people you are talking about. Ironic, isn't it?

Also, note I never said LIVE TV, I said he was on TV and knew it. Hello, McFly. It was all over the news and ESPN. Quit trying to squirm around the facts and know the truth. It's well documented. Even so, he was doing it in front of crowds of 60k+ with a political motivation. This guy was doing it in front of small audiences with no TV coverage. He was wrong for doing it after being told not to. That's why he was fired. But this isn't some national outrage article and conservatives have nothing to do with it. Geeze.

The article doesn't say it. I said it from recall because I remember all the support Tim Tebow got for kneeling on the field. Here's Newsmax praising Tebow and castigating Kepernick. Just one example.
Kaepernick and Tebow: A Tale of Two NFL Knees | Newsmax.com

 

[nakedfrog]

Because nakedfrog seemed to be missing the main point of of that scripture. I tire, sometimes, of dealing with out of context 'bible bingo' comments. I was also trying not to be an ass about it. If the coach had knelt in the middle of the field only out of show - then he would be acting like a Pharisee. That doesn’t appear to be his motivation.

Anyway, not it’s before the Supreme Court. I hope that neither side gets what they seem to want.

Edit, derp.

Dude went out to the 50 yard line on the field to do it, and you're saying that's not "out of show"?

Let's look at the facts again.

In compliance with the district's request, Kennedy temporarily stopped praying on the field after games. But one month later, in mid-October 2015, he informed the district through an attorney that he would resume saying a post-game prayer at the 50-yard-line after requesting a religious accommodation under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of religion.

"No reasonable observer could conclude that a football coach who waits until the game is over and the players have left the field and then walks to mid-field to say a short, private, personal prayer is speaking on behalf of the state," his lawyer said in a letter to the Bremerton School District. "Quite the opposite, Coach Kennedy is engaged in private religious expression upon which the state may not infringe."

Eeeeh, I still highly dispute that this is a "private religious expression". Or that he was being discriminated against based on his religion, TBH.
But THEN, instead of turning the other cheek:

And so, after the final whistle at Bremerton's homecoming game on October 16, 2015, Kennedy shook hands with the opposing team, waited until players were singing their fight song, and then knelt at the 50-yard-line, bowed his head, and, joined by players from both teams, members of the media and the public, prayed.

He did so again for the next two games, after which the district placed Kennedy on paid administrative leave from his position as an assistant coach for violating its directives. During a subsequent evaluation of Kennedy's performance, Bremerton's athletic director recommended he not be rehired for the next season, citing a failure to follow district policy and failure to supervise student-athletes after games.

Perhaps if he'd done as his lawyer's letter said, he'd still have his job. But evidently you would not describe these actions as "being for show", would you? Still tooootally a private religious expression? And then they simply did not rehire him for the next season, since he didn't follow district policy.

 

[Captante]

"I didn't want to cause any waves, and the thing I wanted to do was coach football and thank God after the game."
Oh, bullshit.

Mark 6:5-6:8
"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen."

Funny ... it occurs to me that these folks wouldn't like the answer to "what would Jesus do?" in this case because he would be kicking their asses!

 

[Captante]

CK was protesting for a worthy cause. He wanted attention for that cause.

The one thing I've noticed from right wingers, no matter how black people protest they always object.
DeSantis even passed a law abridging the rights of protestors and implied it was ok for them to be run over by drivers

CK had a completely valid point but the way he chose to go about expressing it was EXTREMELY counter-productive to his supposed cause in many ways.

My biggest problem with CK has to do with him being a complete hypocrite and has zero to do with his race.... his main/real "cause" was himself.

 

[IronWing]

I also think it is just stupid grandstanding just like that other @sshole Colin Kapernick.

Colin Kapernick wasn't on the government dime when he knelt so it's comparing apples and staplers.

 

[noway069111]

The article doesn't say it. I said it from recall because I remember all the support Tim Tebow got for kneeling on the field. Here's Newsmax praising Tebow and castigating Kepernick. Just one example.
Kaepernick and Tebow: A Tale of Two NFL Knees | Newsmax.com

Got it. So your title "Conservatives are for kneeling on the football field only for causes they approve" is nothing but click-bait, conjecture or straight up trolling. Has nothing to do with the actual news or article. Good to know.

Starting to sound like a great conservative in the making! Twisting things to make them fit your agenda. You're certainly on the right path like the little angry orange man. GJ!

 

[Meghan54]

Got it. So your title "Conservatives are for kneeling on the football field only for causes they approve" is nothing but click-bait, conjecture or straight up trolling. Has nothing to do with the actual news or article. Good to know.

Starting to sound like a great conservative in the making! Twisting things to make them fit your agenda. You're certainly on the right path like the little angry orange man. GJ!

Said with no sense of irony.

 

[noway069111]

Said with no sense of irony.

What are you talking about? There is no "irony". Irony would be that the conservatives are supporting this court case and talking about it, but condemning CK . The OP even admitted that the article doesn't have anything to do with conservatives. This is solely driven by the coach and his beliefs. So how is that ironic when the OP is only conjecting his own opinion, not an actual fact or anything that is being discussed? People here do not seem to use logical thinking. Very odd. Can't post a news story without twisting it and blaming some political party that has nothing to do with the subject! Sounds brilliant! Is that really how Liberals work? To me, sounds like both parties are idiots, if that is the case. You don't know the meaning of irony or how to be honest about the subject matter. It's like CNN vs Fox. Both are just bias BS "news". Fox is so full of shit and CNN post nothing but "Opinion" (which they conveniently changed the name from "analysis", LOL). Both sides are so full of shit. But, you do you!

 

[JD50]

What are you talking about? There is no "irony". Irony would be that the conservatives are supporting this court case and talking about it, but condemning CK . The OP even admitted that the article doesn't have anything to do with conservatives. This is solely driven by the coach and his beliefs. So how is that ironic when the OP is only conjecting his own opinion, not an actual fact or anything that is being discussed? People here do not seem to use logical thinking. Very odd. Can't post a news story without twisting it and blaming some political party that has nothing to do with the subject! Sounds brilliant! Is that really how Liberals work? To me, sounds like both parties are idiots, if that is the case. You don't know the meaning of irony or how to be honest about the subject matter. It's like CNN vs Fox. Both are just bias BS "news". Fox is so full of shit and CNN post nothing but "Opinion" (which they conveniently changed the name from "analysis", LOL). Both sides are so full of shit. But, you do you!

Conservatives have been whining about prayer not being allowed in school for decades, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they also support high school coaches leading a prayer. This is a well known conservative position, I live in Trump country and they won't shut the fuck up about stuff like this.

And of course the OP is giving his opinion, that's the point of this forum.

 

[noway069111]

Conservatives have been whining about prayer not being allowed in school for decades, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they also support high school coaches leading a prayer. This is a well known conservative position, I live in Trump country and they won't shut the fuck up about stuff like this.

And of course the OP is giving his opinion, that's the point of this forum.

Interesting. So this forum allows people to twist the facts and state opinions in the title? So it would be OK if someone made a post that said "Liberals hate religion and only want people to kneel for political reasons"? Then post an article that has nothing to do with Liberals?

You guys have a very interesting forum that allows the twisting of truth, but then blames their rivals for doing the same thing. hahah "but, but but, Conservatives do it!", so we can do it too! So how are you any different from what you are hating? Very odd how it works.