Conroe 2.4GHz benchmarked

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: designit
Here is a link for you about Dothan not a good overclocker.
Yes the article is outdated. But that was the time I was interested in buying one of those. BTW, How many of you bought Dothan because you did so for ease of overclocking?

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00593/

Yours was factual? . Oh man its getting more ridiculous.
The "Hint" about power efficiency of conroe was for the fact that this chip is made to take max advantage of low wattage, low heat. cpu frequency has maxed out w/ that kind of setup. You put more voltage to it will just crash(my first statement). plain and simple. I wouldnt know if Smart Memory out of order queing is going to be another factor or not. I also wonder why XS hasn?t overclocked it yet(I dont buy the excuse about "this mobo is not made for overclocking"). Intel put out a bench mark a month ago, but adamantly against overclocking it. why?
Dream on. will leave you dreamers alone, no more poking your balloon from here, already busted.

Is it safe to assume that you not only have limited knowledge of cpu architecture but also that you also have limited knowledge of circuit design?

Oh, and just to add some 'substance' to this post. When the celeron was overclocked from 300MHz to 450MHz (50%), that was considered a great overclock. Now when Dothan goes from 1.6GHz to 2.4GHz, now you're saying 'oh man... it doesn't look like it'll overclock very well at all'. Why the suddent change?

It's no use Dave. This is the "Anti-Intelia" we are seeing here. And, you know what happened to Intelia, right?

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: designit
Is it safe to say that you are an idiot?
If the answer is no, then dont reply to my post.

:laugh: If you're gonna be witty can you at least get the saying right?

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: designit
Here is a link for you about Dothan not a good overclocker.
Yes the article is outdated. But that was the time I was interested in buying one of those. BTW, How many of you bought Dothan because you did so for ease of overclocking?

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00593/

Yours was factual? . Oh man its getting more ridiculous.
The "Hint" about power efficiency of conroe was for the fact that this chip is made to take max advantage of low wattage, low heat. cpu frequency has maxed out w/ that kind of setup. You put more voltage to it will just crash(my first statement). plain and simple. I wouldnt know if Smart Memory out of order queing is going to be another factor or not. I also wonder why XS hasn?t overclocked it yet(I dont buy the excuse about "this mobo is not made for overclocking"). Intel put out a bench mark a month ago, but adamantly against overclocking it. why?
Dream on. will leave you dreamers alone, no more poking your balloon from here, already busted.

I call Troll.

How hard is it to get someone kicked out for needlessly baiting people? And I'm not an Intel desktop user. Yet.

Guess there are AMD trolls along with Intel ones. Neither "side" has a monopoly on stupidity.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: designit
Are you an idiot?
If the answer is no, then dont reply to my post.

:laugh: Are you even reading what you're typing? So you want only idiots to respond to your posts? Is that because your posts are so full of B.S. that only idiots would believe you?

 

[designit]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: designit
Are you an idiot?
If the answer is no, then dont reply to my post.

:laugh: Are you even reading what you're typing? So you want only idiots to respond to your posts? Is that because your posts are so full of B.S. that only idiots would believe you?

Well, I have found a few idiots responding, so far.
No. only because idiots replied. too many have replied un-inelegantly and without any decency.
It appears only idiots post in this thread, came to find out. So I am just having little fun and monkeying around w/ you.
If you are an idiot you will respond to this post.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: designit
Here is a link for you about Dothan not a good overclocker.
Yes the article is outdated. But that was the time I was interested in buying one of those. BTW, How many of you bought Dothan because you did so for ease of overclocking?

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00593/

Yours was factual? . Oh man its getting more ridiculous.
The "Hint" about power efficiency of conroe was for the fact that this chip is made to take max advantage of low wattage, low heat. cpu frequency has maxed out w/ that kind of setup. You put more voltage to it will just crash(my first statement). plain and simple. I wouldnt know if Smart Memory out of order queing is going to be another factor or not. I also wonder why XS hasn?t overclocked it yet(I dont buy the excuse about "this mobo is not made for overclocking"). Intel put out a bench mark a month ago, but adamantly against overclocking it. why?
Dream on. will leave you dreamers alone, no more poking your balloon from here, already busted.

This is a stunning example of critical thinking gone horribly wrong.

1). Name one "low voltage" chip out there that "crashes" when it's given more volts. I'll give you two examples of chips that were specced for low voltages but could take higher desktop-level volts

a). The famous Athlon XP-M
b). Dothan

Dothan can and has been overvolted with successful results, though a pin mod is usually necessary for this.

Read THIS link:

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=393963

for real information about Dothan overclocking that goes beyond the vague speculation published in your latest link. Anyone who "hasn't heard of a Dothan being overclocked past 2.4 ghz" has lousy hearing.

2). If you don't what Smart Memory out of order queing is and don't know how or if it will affect overclocking, why did you even mention it?

3). I have no idea why XS hasn't overclocked their chip yet, but it could have something to do with the fact that it's an engineering sample with bugs. Anandtech was unable to overclock their Yonah sample they reviewed months ago due to some problems with the only board they had on hand capable of supporting the chip.

In conclusion: Dothan is a good overclocker. Whether or not Dothan is a good overclocker really doesn't mean much with respect to the overclockability of Yonah, Merom, or Conroe. Nothing out there hints that Yonah, Merom, or Conroe will be poor overclockers. Furthermore, your understanding of CPU architecture is lacking. That final link you pasted is nearly two years old and was published before the adapter was released for desktop Dothan usage(previously people had to use those crappy i855-based boards that cost an arm and a leg).

Please stop posting gross misinterpretations of data.

 

[dexvx]

There are not many who've overclocked Yonah, but from the preliminary results, they seem to be fairly decent overclockers. A couple people have gotten 2.5+Ghz at stock voltage (+25% overclock). With some moderate voltage bumps, it would seem that 3Ghz is not out of the question for the Yonah.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Nice, a 3 ghz Yonah would be pretty sweet. Any desktop boards out for that thing yet?

 

[Jules]

Not out yet, cry more

 

[kknd1967]

Aopen has been quite active on this
http://global.aopen.com.tw/products/mb/

Note for full size workstation though

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Nice, a 3 ghz Yonah would be pretty sweet. Any desktop boards out for that thing yet?

 

[JoKeRr]

Does anyone have ducktape?? I need it to seal someone's mouth.

Btw, in this article:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00593/

The writer specifically said "Dothan Desktops Probably Won't Overclock All That Much", for anyone who can read English properly, it's obvious the writer doesn't know, and he/she is making an educated guess--in this case is proven to be wrong.

The Asus socket 479 adapter was developed to be used with p4p800 board--DUAL CHANNEL MEMORY CONTROLLER--no handicap performance there dude.

so plz, give me a break.

 

[Absolute0]

IIRC Dothans are good for 2.7-3 Ghz on air, 3.x on phase change, and i've seen a Dothan benchable at 4 Ghz on extreme cooling. That's as good as the best AMD64s, and just a little faster clock for clock i think.

Xtremesystems is down now, but if you check it out later, Yonah is hitting 3 Ghz on air. I saw 3 Ghz benchable on the stock heatsink. Also there's benchmarks of Yonah at 3.45 Ghz on a single stage ripping through 3dmark.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Absolute0
Xtremesystems is down now, but if you check it out later, Yonah is hitting 3 Ghz on air. I saw 3 Ghz benchable on the stock heatsink. Also there's benchmarks of Yonah at 3.45 Ghz on a single stage ripping through 3dmark.

Nah, not stock heatsink. Xtremesystems stock means no mods to the chip (lapping/removal of IHS) or motherboard. One of them was on air, albeit at a pretty high voltage (1.5v). The best results on stock heatsink and nominal voltage increase (less than .1v) are around the 2.7Ghz mark.

 

[Absolute0]

read some of this stuff

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1385224&postcount=1162

This guy can do more, he's trying to mess with the ram
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1381035&postcount=1014

And his cooling
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1381068&postcount=1017

This shows that Yonah beats A64 clock for clock even in games
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/att...?attachmentid=45630&stc=1&d=1144394412

Here is a Yonah stable at 3.1 on a Tuniq Tower
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95335

Yonah at 3.06 on a zalman
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95534

 

[burney]

Originally posted by: designit

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: designit
Are you an idiot?
If the answer is no, then dont reply to my post.

:laugh: Are you even reading what you're typing? So you want only idiots to respond to your posts? Is that because your posts are so full of B.S. that only idiots would believe you?

Well, I have found a few idiots responding, so far.
No. only because idiots replied. too many have replied un-inelegantly and without any decency.
It appears only idiots post in this thread, came to find out. So I am just having little fun and monkeying around w/ you.
If you are an idiot you will respond to this post.

designit please do not post stupid insights of urs on computer architecture, have u ever heard about who wants to be a idiot!..

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: designit

Well, I have found a few idiots responding, so far.
No. only because idiots replied. too many have replied un-inelegantly and without any decency.
It appears only idiots post in this thread, came to find out. So I am just having little fun and monkeying around w/ you.
If you are an idiot you will respond to this post.

Lol. That's sig worthy.

 

[nate39]

just out of curiosity, what is everyone's take on this blog?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

 

[Hulk]

That is an interesting take on the Conroe performance preview.

But it doesn't mention the gaming performance and the video encoding where Conroe soundly beats AMD. I think that he picked a few applications that AMD is well suited for.

I hope AMD is competitive with Conroe but I have a bad feeling about this. If anything Conroe will be further optimized by launch.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: nate39
just out of curiosity, what is everyone's take on this blog?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

While Sciencemark is mainly a CPU test, its also synthetic. Awesome how he left out SuperPi, which is another synthetic CPU test. Hell, even the much hated (at least on AT) Sandra is another synthetic CPU test.

His comments about the L2 were off, because I'm pretty damn sure FEAR can't run off the L2.

 

[Markfw]

Very interesting... I would love to see the real benchmarks. This makes a lot of sense to me. This is why I keep saying to wait for the full set.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: nate39
just out of curiosity, what is everyone's take on this blog?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

The biggest flaw in his analysis is the fact that he seems to expect a prescott optimized binary will perform well on cores; note the bolded "optimized for pentium" as if a P4 binary is advantageous for merom. Consider P4 optimized binaries space its ALU operations to take advantage of replay windows, which would cause havoc on merom.

Arguing a 4MB working set conspiracy theory with a single prescott test is stupid, especially when merom has already demonstrated an advantage in games, which sure as hell don't live in the L2. Then he makes the huge statement, saying merom will be slower clock-for-clock, using the same prescott test. Great methods. He calls Anand a button pusher even though the article was accompanied with detailed specs, embraces data with a flawed test and unspecified platform details, and ignores existing benchmarks (i.e. AT, xtremesystems) that use worksets exceeding merom's L2 size.

All the while he links to AMD talking points and makes statements like "Intel is capacity limited", even as he miscounts the total number of 65nm fabs in the oudated pdf he links to and ignores intel's wafer size advantage. Oh, I read a bunch of his other posts and found gaping holes and glaring bias on all his analysis. Wonder where he went to do his PhD, LOL.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
1). Name one "low voltage" chip out there that "crashes" when it's given more volts. I'll give you two examples of chips that were specced for low voltages but could take higher desktop-level volts

a). The famous Athlon XP-M
b). Dothan
---SNIP---

Come one, you left out the mobile P4-Northwood-based Celeron
I'm still running the 4 chips I bought from Karaktu back in May 04. 2x 2.8GHz, 1x 2.9GHz, 1x 3.2GHz

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: nate39
just out of curiosity, what is everyone's take on this blog?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

All I know is, that guy had better be right, or his credibility and his blog are in the toilet.
I think we should ask Victor Wang over at XS to try to run the very same benches mentioned in this blog. I mean, he has run quite a lot already and Conroe is cleaning the pipes. Unless, Victor is the very same person that is being mentioned in the blog. No names were given and I doubt it. ASIA is pretty big

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: nate39
just out of curiosity, what is everyone's take on this blog?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

All I know is, that guy had better be right, or his credibility and his blog are in the toilet.
I think we should ask Victor Wang over at XS to try to run the very same benches mentioned in this blog. I mean, he has run quite a lot already and Conroe is cleaning the pipes. Unless, Victor is the very same person that is being mentioned in the blog. No names were given and I doubt it. ASIA is pretty big

Its his numbers genius!!! Actually read it then go to XS and read the conroe thread...Identical numbers....


If you remember from your laptop test that INtel mobile chips with there 2mb cachje also did well in the first test MolDyn...then not as well in the others....

I actually think his cache theory has some value.....

Whether or not he can then paint all of Conroe with the same broad paint stroke is the real question....

That we will need to wait for fully supported mobos and bioses as well as quality sites doing reviews...like TechReport!!!

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: nate39
just out of curiosity, what is everyone's take on this blog?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

All I know is, that guy had better be right, or his credibility and his blog are in the toilet.
I think we should ask Victor Wang over at XS to try to run the very same benches mentioned in this blog. I mean, he has run quite a lot already and Conroe is cleaning the pipes. Unless, Victor is the very same person that is being mentioned in the blog. No names were given and I doubt it. ASIA is pretty big

Its his numbers genius!!! Actually read it then go to XS and read the conroe thread...Identical numbers....


If you remember from your laptop test that INtel mobile chips with there 2mb cachje also did well in the first test MolDyn...then not as well in the others....

I actually think his cache theory has some value.....

Whether or not he can then paint all of Conroe with the same broad paint stroke is the real question....

That we will need to wait for fully supported mobos and bioses as well as quality sites doing reviews...like TechReport!!!

Duvie, I know you have a slight(?) vendetta towards keysplayer, but let's not call names. He asked a question, you didn't have to answer in that tone.

On topic, there's so much mystery surrounding Conroe that I really don't know what to believe. I guess time will tell, but I think it's funny how many people are predicting the demise of AMD even though there aren't HARD numbers out there now.

AMD isn't going anywhere, and if A64 vs. P4 was any indication of AMD in '07 vs Conroe, things look pretty bright for them.