Originally posted by: allies
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
All I know is, that guy had better be right, or his credibility and his blog are in the toilet.
I think we should ask Victor Wang over at XS to try to run the very same benches mentioned in this blog. I mean, he has run quite a lot already and Conroe is cleaning the pipes. Unless, Victor is the very same person that is being mentioned in the blog. No names were given and I doubt it. ASIA is pretty big
Its his numbers genius!!! Actually read it then go to XS and read the conroe thread...Identical numbers....
If you remember from your laptop test that INtel mobile chips with there 2mb cachje also did well in the first test MolDyn...then not as well in the others....
I actually think his cache theory has some value.....
Whether or not he can then paint all of Conroe with the same broad paint stroke is the real question....
That we will need to wait for fully supported mobos and bioses as well as quality sites doing reviews...like TechReport!!!
Duvie, I know you have a slight(?) vendetta towards keysplayer, but let's not call names. He asked a question, you didn't have to answer in that tone.
On topic, there's so much mystery surrounding Conroe that I really don't know what to believe. I guess time will tell, but I think it's funny how many people are predicting the demise of AMD even though there aren't HARD numbers out there now.
AMD isn't going anywhere, and if A64 vs. P4 was any indication of AMD in '07 vs Conroe, things look pretty bright for them.
I have no vendetta against him....He should actually read and comprehend the articles he wants to highlight...It was clear the moment I read it cause I had already seen the results by Victor at XS....
Since I know he has been following these lame reviews or lack of at XS so far he should have recognized the numbers
DrMrLordX
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Since when did a Zalman CNS9500LED require ice? Did you even click on any of those links and read them?
I know you're still sore over us showing that Dothan can be overclocked and overvolted. It's not the Dothan's fault that the motherboard solutions made it so damn hard to overvolt, but it could be done. Blame the BIOS, not the chip.
As far as Conroe losing any WinRAR tests goes, keep in mind that programs like WinRAR are heavily I/O bound. It says more about the platform used than the processor.
I know you're still sore over us showing that Dothan can be overclocked and overvolted. It's not the Dothan's fault that the motherboard solutions made it so damn hard to overvolt, but it could be done. Blame the BIOS, not the chip.
As far as Conroe losing any WinRAR tests goes, keep in mind that programs like WinRAR are heavily I/O bound. It says more about the platform used than the processor.
I'm not understanding what you mean by "cream":
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1382642&postcount=804
Yonah:
T2600 @ 236*13=3069mhz
winrar3.61
multi=1390
single=843
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X2:
4400+ @ 256.5*10=2565mhz
winrar3.61
multi=1140
single=676
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Conroe:
Conroe E6600 @ 266*9 =2400mhz
winrar3.61
multi=1120
single=675
It seems to me that approximately a stock 2.6Ghz X2 is about equivalent to a 2.4Ghz Conroe. The only outlier is a 3.1Ghz Yonah, which beats both of them by a wide margin.
The best cpu that the world can produce right now is A64 architecture on Intel die process technology.
Imaging Conroe on 90nm process, yeah, not pretty, but that's what A64 is on right now. Architecturly speaking, A64 is still superior, it's the Intel die advantage that make it even comparable between the two.
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Imaging Conroe on 90nm process, yeah, not pretty, but that's what A64 is on right now. Architecturly speaking, A64 is still superior, it's the Intel die advantage that make it even comparable between the two.
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It seems you missed this (same XS thread):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1384563&postcount=829
Cinebench 9.5:
Conroe 2.4ghz 738
X2 @2.4ghz: 669
X2 @2.6ghz: 727
WinRAR 3.6:
Conroe 2.4ghz: 1120
X2 @2.4ghz: 1168
X2 @2.6ghz: 1253
About ScienceMark, I haven't the unofficial binaries used lately by VW. So, with the official ScienceMark 2.0, this is the comparation:
Conroe 2.4ghz: 1308.9
X2 @2.4ghz: 1322.99
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Erm, superior in what way? Because of the on-die memory controller alone?
Conroe isn't running insane clocks dude. 2.4 GHz on 90nm would give you the same performance as 2.4GHz on 65nm when architectures are identical save the die shrink.
Thermals would be higher on 90nm as well as power consumption, as seen with A64.
So unless you want us to just keep guessing what you really mean, why not tell us?
In other words: What makes you think a 2.4GHz 90nm Conroe would perform worse than a 2.4GHz 65nm Conroe? We know about thermals and power usage differences, but that affects performance in what way? Please elaborate.
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Would you mind telling the rest of us what exactly, is your issue here?
You go have fun with Winrar 24/7 if you want. The rest of us will have fun with everything else under the sun. Got to wait for AT/FS/H/etc. reviews of the released platform. It is extremely fun to speculate right now with a promising looking new marchitecture, but it all boils down to the release.
You're assuming Conroe can reach 2.4gig on 90nm ... you're right on one point, Conroe isn't running insane clock.
AM2 will run higher clock with less Thermal than Conroe on same die process, which make it architecturally superior.
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AM2 will run higher clock with less Thermal than Conroe on same die process, which make it architecturally superior.
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Considering that AMD is using 90nm SOI process vs Intel 90nm with SS process a comparison on the same die process is pretty much a moot point. It doens't really matter what process each is on, you compare what each has currently at each point in time to what the competititor has at that point in time.
Higher clock with AM2 with less thermals on 65nm? Unknown at this point a pure assumtpion.
well, seeing as we know the clockspeeds and TDP of every AMD chip and every Intel chip for the rest of this year I wouldn't say that its a pure assumption at all. However he is pretty much wrong, the performance Conroes will be in at 95W @ 3.3G, while the AMD will be 125W @ 2.8G, so wrong on both counts.
Disclaimer: these are numbers released by the respective companies and may not represent actuall product specs upon release
Disclaimer: these are numbers released by the respective companies and may not represent actuall product specs upon release
unless AMD have indepdent power management for each core
I do NOT see why " AM2 will run higher clock with less Thermal than Conroe on same die process, which make it architecturally superior."
oh sure, some low-voltage transistors will also help TDP. but that is not related to superior architechture.
I do NOT see why " AM2 will run higher clock with less Thermal than Conroe on same die process, which make it architecturally superior."
oh sure, some low-voltage transistors will also help TDP. but that is not related to superior architechture.
BrownTown your do remember that he is trying to say 65nm vs 65nm, and the 125W TDP compares to the Athlon FX 62 Windsor 2.8GHZ 90nm 125W TDP core to Core Duo E8xxx 3.00+ GHZ Conroe 65nm 95W TDP....
I am saying a 65nm comparison as the moment is pure assumption... as those are still aways off for AMD.
Why try to compare 65nm to 65nm? That's not how it is... any attempt to "even things up" will only throw off what there really is.
Keep in mind Conroe was run on a heatsink without a fan on it, the power consumption is significantly lower than current AMD64s.
Keep in mind Conroe was run on a heatsink without a fan on it, the power consumption is significantly lower than current AMD64s.
I agree completely, I have already addressed this in a prior post, we will be comparing to the 90nm SOI DSL Windsor Core to the 65nm SS Conroe core. As they will be out in the same time frame.
My first post lol. Anyway, I have been using an AMD CPUs all my life. Currently have A64 FX-55 with 2 7800GTXs in SLI. I was a little skeptical about Conroe but seeing all these benchmarks by Victor Wong etc (21secs on SuperPI 1M with an unsupported motherboard is pretty amazing). Also funny how I see all these conspiracy theories to degrade Conroe.
Also, I would have to say that the user designit has to be the most idiotic person I've seen so far. You're fanboyism has gotten wayyyy over your head.
Also, I would have to say that the user designit has to be the most idiotic person I've seen so far. You're fanboyism has gotten wayyyy over your head.
which one those Intel's fanboy are you who just made a hotmail email to be able to register under a different alias (pretending to be a new member) to be able to post stupidity.
You know, using foul language and resorting to profanity is a sign of weakness, if your mom taught you the difference.
These Intel manyfanny yellow panties will do just about anything to coverup the mess their lover boy Intel has laid in their pants.
Give it up. Intel will never catch AMD.
CONROE BUSTED.
You really ought to stop pasting headlines from that sharikou blog, because he is technically clueless and totally biased to boot. As for people who regurgitate that crap, they're even more deluded, LOL.
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