Congratulations to the people of Spain!

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I thought Al Qaeda wasn't Iraq I guess it suddenly is though - no?

Good lord Cad, you're like a broken record in these threads. What part of Iraq and AQ are connected NOW BECAUSE of OIF do you not understand? There may not have been a connection before, but now our war on Iraq has become yet another rallying cry for the Islamists.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Corn, if you don't feed your kids I'm gonna blow you up.

He already feeds his kids. Nice try though.

CkG

That was meant for Corn. He has the brains to figure out what I meant. You may go suck your bigoted finger.

Your supposed analogy was weak - bigot.

CkG

Your reply was weak cause you gots ta feed kids regular like, not just one time. And iffen My analogy was so damn week why wasn't the brilliant wisdom contained therein being reflected in the prior posts, HUMMMMMMMMMMMM?

Eh? Corn already feed the kids - there is no "capitulation". Now run along and beller "bigot" in your homosexual threads. You obviously can't wrap your "elite" mind around the concept of Terrorism and what it has accomplished in Spain.

CkG

What exactly did it accomplished? It woke people up into voting and the fact that they can change their leader with their vote. 90% of them DID NOT approve of their country helping with the war in Iraq. And so they voted out of the office someone who lead them against their wishes. Can you comprehend that, or are you going to twist it again?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Corn
When the ETA learn from al-qaeda's example of how to run a successful terror campaign and murder a few hundred more will you also congratulate Spain then?

Hey, I've got nothing against the "people" voicing their displeasure against the Iraq war. But the swift action of this new government to decree that they will be pulling out of Iraq merely proves to al-qaeda that murdering innocents will give you want you want.........makes me wonder what target will be next?

Apparently the Germans and Frenchies are kinda scared because they are going to hold an emergency EU security conference.

Good point.

CkG

Not really, if i were Al Quaeda, i'd be focusing on other nations that supported the war with Iraq (i.e. England + Italy). These are not random killers.

I thought Al Qaeda wasn't Iraq I guess it suddenly is though - no?
But again you forget about Turkey and Saudi Arabia - they got attacked - no?

Ofcourse these weren't random killers - they had a purpose and they suceeded. They got Spain to run. They got spain to pull out of Iraq(which supposedly Al Qaeda has said was their purpose and the people of Spain believed them). Yeah

Congrats Spain - you may have had a "democratic" election but you also proved that Al Qaeda just has to kill to get what it wants.

CkG

Again, Saudi Arabia and Turkey has lended their support to the US. As for spain 'running', i see it as spain punishing the imbeciles who put them in that position in the first place.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I thought Al Qaeda wasn't Iraq I guess it suddenly is though - no?

Good lord Cad, you're like a broken record in these threads. What part of Iraq and AQ are connected NOW BECAUSE of OIF do you not understand? There may not have been a connection before, but now our war on Iraq has become yet another rallying cry for the Islamists.

Ah yes -the "it suddenly drew them in" theory. So then if they weren't there before, but are now because it is a "rallying cry" for the Islamists - then isn't Spain pulling out like this "giving in"? You are arguing that Iraq turned into a "terrorism war" (which I'd agree with) but you then ignoring that when saying Spain pulled out of Iraq because it wasn't about terrorism. So which is it? Is Iraq currently about Terrorism or is it not? THAT is the only way you can say Spain was attacked by Al Qaeda because of Iraq. So then you admit that Spain allowed the terrorists to win by allowing the attacks to sway their vote and thus - pull out of Iraq(the current battle on Terrorism). Ofcourse if you say Iraq currently isn't about terrorism then you can't connect Al Qaeda to Iraq

So care to explain your way out of that?

CkG

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Corn, if you don't feed your kids I'm gonna blow you up.

He already feeds his kids. Nice try though.

CkG

That was meant for Corn. He has the brains to figure out what I meant. You may go suck your bigoted finger.

Your supposed analogy was weak - bigot.

CkG

Your reply was weak cause you gots ta feed kids regular like, not just one time. And iffen My analogy was so damn week why wasn't the brilliant wisdom contained therein being reflected in the prior posts, HUMMMMMMMMMMMM?

Eh? Corn already feed the kids - there is no "capitulation". Now run along and beller "bigot" in your homosexual threads. You obviously can't wrap your "elite" mind around the concept of Terrorism and what it has accomplished in Spain.

CkG

Why call me elite when it's you who knows what God's thinking. Gosh, I can't compete with that. But speaking of warped week minds, just what was my "supposed analogy"?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Again, Saudi Arabia and Turkey has lended their support to the US. As for spain 'running', i see it as spain punishing the imbeciles who put them in that position in the first place.

In Iraq? Are you sure? Please show me where.

CkG

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
:beer:

We really need another thread on this?

As a showcase for such clearsighted eloquence?

Yes.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
What exactly did it accomplished? It woke people up into voting and the fact that they can change their leader with their vote. 90% of them DID NOT approve of their country helping with the war in Iraq. And so they voted out of the office someone who lead them against their wishes. Can you comprehend that, or are you going to twist it again?

What part of - THE POLLS SHOWED THAT THE POPULAR PARTY WAS AHEAD 2-3 DAYS BEFORE THE ATTACK. Can you comprehend that, or are you going to twist it again?

I'm not arguing against Democracy - fool. I'm saying that the terrorists have found a way to sway democracy. They won when they successfully swayed voters by killing.
Corn said it well:

When the ETA learn from al-qaeda's example of how to run a successful terror campaign and murder a few hundred more will you also congratulate Spain then?

Hey, I've got nothing against the "people" voicing their displeasure against the Iraq war. But the swift action of this new government to decree that they will be pulling out of Iraq merely proves to al-qaeda that murdering innocents will give you want you want.........makes me wonder what target will be next?

Next excuse please....

CkG

 

[fjord]

Well congratulations are in order.

I've been watching interviews of spanish folks--they are very angry that their now-outgoing government lied to them. They are saying that they refuse to be manipulated by a government that was attempting to divert attention from the truth.

One guy said that the Spanish were not about to make the same mistake of rewarding a deceitful Government, as in the US.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I thought Al Qaeda wasn't Iraq I guess it suddenly is though - no?

Good lord Cad, you're like a broken record in these threads. What part of Iraq and AQ are connected NOW BECAUSE of OIF do you not understand? There may not have been a connection before, but now our war on Iraq has become yet another rallying cry for the Islamists.

Ah yes -the "it suddenly drew them in" theory. So then if they weren't there before, but are now because it is a "rallying cry" for the Islamists - then isn't Spain pulling out like this "giving in"? You are arguing that Iraq turned into a "terrorism war" (which I'd agree with) but you then ignoring that when saying Spain pulled out of Iraq because it wasn't about terrorism. So which is it? Is Iraq currently about Terrorism or is it not? THAT is the only way you can say Spain was attacked by Al Qaeda because of Iraq. So then you admit that Spain allowed the terrorists to win by allowing the attacks to sway their vote and thus - pull out of Iraq(the current battle on Terrorism). Ofcourse if you say Iraq currently isn't about terrorism then you can't connect Al Qaeda to Iraq

So care to explain your way out of that?

CkG

Iraq wasn't about AQ. After we invaded, it now has become an issue. Spain joined our coalition and therefore: the friend of my enemy is my enemy applies. If 90% of Spaniards disagreed with their government's involvement in OIF to begin with -- watch closely Cad -- that means **BEFORE** this terrorist attack, how is the people voting out the current Spanish gov't based on their original sentiments somehow capitulating to terror?

As I mentioned earlier (or in another thread, I can't keep track), pulling troops in June (as the incoming prime minister has mentioned) would coincide with turnover of control to Iraqis. Frankly, your black/white choices, while meshing well with Bush's world-view, do nothing but oversimplify a complex situation. No, Iraq is not ONLY about terrorism. Are terrorists drawn there to fight the U.S. occupation? Of course. Are terrorist orgs like AQ using our occupation of Iraq to stir up resentment and recruit? Of course they are.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

OK. So let's see. If the prime minister had listened to the people of his country and NOT supported the war with Iraq, would this type of attack have happened so that it would influence an election?

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
What exactly did it accomplished? It woke people up into voting and the fact that they can change their leader with their vote. 90% of them DID NOT approve of their country helping with the war in Iraq. And so they voted out of the office someone who lead them against their wishes. Can you comprehend that, or are you going to twist it again?

What part of - THE POLLS SHOWED THAT THE POPULAR PARTY WAS AHEAD 2-3 DAYS BEFORE THE ATTACK. Can you comprehend that, or are you going to twist it again?

I'm not arguing against Democracy - fool. I'm saying that the terrorists have found a way to sway democracy. They won when they successfully swayed voters by killing.
Corn said it well:

When the ETA learn from al-qaeda's example of how to run a successful terror campaign and murder a few hundred more will you also congratulate Spain then?

Hey, I've got nothing against the "people" voicing their displeasure against the Iraq war. But the swift action of this new government to decree that they will be pulling out of Iraq merely proves to al-qaeda that murdering innocents will give you want you want.........makes me wonder what target will be next?

Next excuse please....

CkG

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Corn
When the ETA learn from al-qaeda's example of how to run a successful terror campaign and murder a few hundred more will you also congratulate Spain then?

Hey, I've got nothing against the "people" voicing their displeasure against the Iraq war. But the swift action of this new government to decree that they will be pulling out of Iraq merely proves to al-qaeda that murdering innocents will give you want you want.........makes me wonder what target will be next?

Apparently the Germans and Frenchies are kinda scared because they are going to hold an emergency EU security conference.

Good point.

CkG

Not really, if i were Al Quaeda, i'd be focusing on other nations that supported the war with Iraq (i.e. England + Italy). These are not random killers.

So Al Quaeda only cares about Iraq? I thought their main focus was Afgahnistan, you know where france and germany both have troops. The fact is that nobody in the west is "safe" from Al Quaeda, they hate the west and they want us all converted to Islam and put under the law of Sharia, anything else is unacceptable. This is the era of the Muslim crusade and their crusade involves as much bloodshed as the Christian crusade did. You can either oppose their crusade and radical Islam or you can get a Koran and start studying.

No matter how you feel about Iraq, Al Queada is a threat to the west and must be eliminated. You give them power by conceeding to anything they do.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ah yes -the "it suddenly drew them in" theory. So then if they weren't there before, but are now because it is a "rallying cry" for the Islamists - then isn't Spain pulling out like this "giving in"? You are arguing that Iraq turned into a "terrorism war" (which I'd agree with) but you then ignoring that when saying Spain pulled out of Iraq because it wasn't about terrorism. So which is it? Is Iraq currently about Terrorism or is it not? THAT is the only way you can say Spain was attacked by Al Qaeda because of Iraq. So then you admit that Spain allowed the terrorists to win by allowing the attacks to sway their vote and thus - pull out of Iraq(the current battle on Terrorism). Ofcourse if you say Iraq currently isn't about terrorism then you can't connect Al Qaeda to Iraq

So care to explain your way out of that?

CkG

Iraq wasn't about AQ. After we invaded, it now has become an issue. Spain joined our coalition and therefore: the friend of my enemy is my enemy applies. If 90% of Spaniards disagreed with their government's involvement in OIF to begin with -- watch closely Cad -- that means **BEFORE** this terrorist attack, how is the people voting out the current Spanish gov't based on their original sentiments somehow capitulating to terror?

As I mentioned earlier (or in another thread, I can't keep track), pulling troops in June (as the incoming prime minister has mentioned) would coincide with turnover of control to Iraqis. Frankly, your black/white choices, while meshing well with Bush's world-view, do nothing but oversimplify a complex situation. No, Iraq is not ONLY about terrorism. Are terrorists drawn there to fight the U.S. occupation? Of course. Are terrorist orgs like AQ using our occupation of Iraq to stir up resentment and recruit? Of course they are.

Right - so Spain is pulling out of Iraq which is now the central battle ground on terror because they got attacked. Remember, (now read closely DM) just 2-3 days before the election the ruling Popular party was ahead. But since the attacks people made it an issue to vote for someone who will get them out of Iraq - which Al Qaeda said was their motive(and the people of spain believed them).

I'm not sure why the left here can't understand this...oh wait - I know why...

CkG

 

[Gaard]

Maybe Spain's society decided to vote out a deceitful admin.

And vote in one that would better serve the people.

 

[SuperTool]

The Spanish government went on an Iraq field trip without getting permission of it's parents (the Spanish people), and has now gotten a spanking
Would the other members of the coalition please get their people on board for this adventure before they go in, so we can avoid these sort of embarassing withdrawals.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ah yes -the "it suddenly drew them in" theory. So then if they weren't there before, but are now because it is a "rallying cry" for the Islamists - then isn't Spain pulling out like this "giving in"? You are arguing that Iraq turned into a "terrorism war" (which I'd agree with) but you then ignoring that when saying Spain pulled out of Iraq because it wasn't about terrorism. So which is it? Is Iraq currently about Terrorism or is it not? THAT is the only way you can say Spain was attacked by Al Qaeda because of Iraq. So then you admit that Spain allowed the terrorists to win by allowing the attacks to sway their vote and thus - pull out of Iraq(the current battle on Terrorism). Ofcourse if you say Iraq currently isn't about terrorism then you can't connect Al Qaeda to Iraq

So care to explain your way out of that?

CkG

Iraq wasn't about AQ. After we invaded, it now has become an issue. Spain joined our coalition and therefore: the friend of my enemy is my enemy applies. If 90% of Spaniards disagreed with their government's involvement in OIF to begin with -- watch closely Cad -- that means **BEFORE** this terrorist attack, how is the people voting out the current Spanish gov't based on their original sentiments somehow capitulating to terror?

As I mentioned earlier (or in another thread, I can't keep track), pulling troops in June (as the incoming prime minister has mentioned) would coincide with turnover of control to Iraqis. Frankly, your black/white choices, while meshing well with Bush's world-view, do nothing but oversimplify a complex situation. No, Iraq is not ONLY about terrorism. Are terrorists drawn there to fight the U.S. occupation? Of course. Are terrorist orgs like AQ using our occupation of Iraq to stir up resentment and recruit? Of course they are.

Right - so Spain is pulling out of Iraq which is now the central battle ground on terror because they got attacked. Remember, (now read closely DM) just 2-3 days before the election the ruling Popular party was ahead. But since the attacks people made it an issue to vote for someone who will get them out of Iraq - which Al Qaeda said was their motive(and the people of spain believed them).

I'm not sure why the left here can't understand this...oh wait - I know why...

CkG

You're stringing together a lot of hypotheticals Cad. I clearly understand what this LOOKS like, however I don't fault the Spanish people one bit. If anything, the AQ attack in Spain put an exclamation point on their distrust of their current leadership. Remember, they already were against OIF. In many ways, the terrorists have won nothing. The incoming leadership has vowed to fight terror. They intend to pull troops in Iraq to coincide with transfer of control to the Iraqi interim leadership. What concessions have the terrorists gotten? A whole lot of nothing if you ask me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ah yes -the "it suddenly drew them in" theory. So then if they weren't there before, but are now because it is a "rallying cry" for the Islamists - then isn't Spain pulling out like this "giving in"? You are arguing that Iraq turned into a "terrorism war" (which I'd agree with) but you then ignoring that when saying Spain pulled out of Iraq because it wasn't about terrorism. So which is it? Is Iraq currently about Terrorism or is it not? THAT is the only way you can say Spain was attacked by Al Qaeda because of Iraq. So then you admit that Spain allowed the terrorists to win by allowing the attacks to sway their vote and thus - pull out of Iraq(the current battle on Terrorism). Ofcourse if you say Iraq currently isn't about terrorism then you can't connect Al Qaeda to Iraq

So care to explain your way out of that?

CkG

Iraq wasn't about AQ. After we invaded, it now has become an issue. Spain joined our coalition and therefore: the friend of my enemy is my enemy applies. If 90% of Spaniards disagreed with their government's involvement in OIF to begin with -- watch closely Cad -- that means **BEFORE** this terrorist attack, how is the people voting out the current Spanish gov't based on their original sentiments somehow capitulating to terror?

As I mentioned earlier (or in another thread, I can't keep track), pulling troops in June (as the incoming prime minister has mentioned) would coincide with turnover of control to Iraqis. Frankly, your black/white choices, while meshing well with Bush's world-view, do nothing but oversimplify a complex situation. No, Iraq is not ONLY about terrorism. Are terrorists drawn there to fight the U.S. occupation? Of course. Are terrorist orgs like AQ using our occupation of Iraq to stir up resentment and recruit? Of course they are.

Right - so Spain is pulling out of Iraq which is now the central battle ground on terror because they got attacked. Remember, (now read closely DM) just 2-3 days before the election the ruling Popular party was ahead. But since the attacks people made it an issue to vote for someone who will get them out of Iraq - which Al Qaeda said was their motive(and the people of spain believed them).

I'm not sure why the left here can't understand this...oh wait - I know why...

CkG

Iraq is the central battleground for terror? Might want to tell that to the troops who've been scraping through Afghanistan looking for the king of terror, Osama bin Laden.

And, the Popular party was only a few % points ahead...looks like the "not sure" folks formed an opinion and ousted the (not-so)Popular party.

 

[DealMonkey]

Some interesting election analysis ... highlights:

But some analysts and members of the public said Aznar had helped to bring Sunday's defeat upon his Popular Party (PP).

The perception that Aznar had sought to exploit the attacks for political gain by blaming Basque separatist group ETA only strengthened the backlash that turned opinion polls on their head.

That added to a growing impression that the government was manipulating information, a charge that had also been leveled by critics at the time of the sinking of the Prestige oil tanker off Spain's northwestern coast.

"The PP has only itself to blame. If the government had been honest with the public instead of trying to lay the blame on ETA at all costs, the PP could still have won this election," said one voter, Ramon Capellos, a Socialist supporter.

 

[CaptnKirk]

CAD - I have a simple question for you.
Are you ready ? Here goes. . .

Where in the hell do you get off standing and judging what the country and the people of Spain should or should not be doing ?
Do you live in Madrid, is Spain your country ? Do you vote in their elections ?
Do you think that the Midwestern United States has the right to tell any country how to think and how to live ?

Or are you just a guy in Ankeny, Iowa that thinks he has the right to tell others how to live.
or whom to love
or who to date
which God to worship
or who is or is not a patriot.

Good Lord, Trafficant was right . . .
there is no inteligent life on this planet.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
Iraq is the central battleground for terror? Might want to tell that to the troops who've been scraping through Afghanistan looking for the king of terror, Osama bin Laden.

And, the Popular party was only a few % points ahead...looks like the "not sure" folks formed an opinion and ousted the (not-so)Popular party.

and the "not sure" folks were swayed by the terrorists.

Anyway - according to the left it has become the battleground - they keep saying that Iraq is the cause and breeding ground. If they say so... otherwise they couldn't use the Al Qaeda/Iraq scenario for Spain - no?

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
CAD - I have a simple question for you.
Are you ready ? Here goes. . .

Where in the hell do you get off standing and judging what the country and the people of Spain should or should not be doing ?
Do you live in Madrid, is Spain your country ? Do you vote in their elections ?
Do you think that the Midwestern United States has the right to tell any country how to think and how to live ?

Or are you just a guy in Ankeny, Iowa that thinks he has the right to tell others how to live.
or whom to love
or who to date
which God to worship
or who is or is not a patriot.

Good Lord, Trafficant was right . . .
there is no inteligent life on this planet.

Wow nothing like having the point sail WAY over your head and completely disregarding what I said earlier.

Here is a little help for those who read blindly.

I'm not arguing against Democracy - fool. I'm saying that the terrorists have found a way to sway democracy. They won when they successfully swayed voters by killing.
Corn said it well:

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When the ETA learn from al-qaeda's example of how to run a successful terror campaign and murder a few hundred more will you also congratulate Spain then?

Hey, I've got nothing against the "people" voicing their displeasure against the Iraq war. But the swift action of this new government to decree that they will be pulling out of Iraq merely proves to al-qaeda that murdering innocents will give you want you want.........makes me wonder what target will be next?
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Next excuse please....

CkG

 

[NonSequiter]

Congratulations to the people of Spain!

Yep, you suffered a terrible act of terrorism and then added insult to injury by electing a Socialist government. I could care less what policy of the new goverment plans to implement vis a vis Iraq, picking a Socialist government was an act of stupidity in and of itself. That would be like the American voting public choosing the Constitution Party candidate for President.

So you've hired a Socialist to be your Prime Minister. What do you plan to do to top that, set yourselves on fire?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Anyway - according to the left it has become the battleground - they keep saying that Iraq is the cause and breeding ground. If they say so... otherwise they couldn't use the Al Qaeda/Iraq scenario for Spain - no?

Your contention remains incorrect. That you continue to repeat it after countless people have clearly, repeatedly explained why it is wrong demonstrates how dishonest you have become in your defense of King George. Please let us all know if you someday become interested in discussion instead of pointless diversionary arguments.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Anyway - according to the left it has become the battleground - they keep saying that Iraq is the cause and breeding ground. If they say so... otherwise they couldn't use the Al Qaeda/Iraq scenario for Spain - no?

Your contention remains incorrect. That you continue to repeat it after countless people have clearly, repeatedly explained why it is wrong demonstrates how dishonest you have become in your defense of King George. Please let us all know if you someday become interested in discussion instead of pointless diversionary arguments.

So it is your contention that Iraq isn't a current battleground for terrorism?

CkG

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Anyway - according to the left it has become the battleground - they keep saying that Iraq is the cause and breeding ground. If they say so... otherwise they couldn't use the Al Qaeda/Iraq scenario for Spain - no?

Your contention remains incorrect. That you continue to repeat it after countless people have clearly, repeatedly explained why it is wrong demonstrates how dishonest you have become in your defense of King George. Please let us all know if you someday become interested in discussion instead of pointless diversionary arguments.

So it is your contention that Iraq isn't a current battleground for terrorism?

CkG

Of course it is, but only because we decided to invade it. Now there are terrorists roaming the streets all over the place.