(Confirmed) Vote Tampering In North Carolina

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Endless complaints about voter fraud when the goal is to enact pointless voter ID laws. Actual voter fraud? Not a peep.

Yet again in case anyone was wondering if preventing voter fraud was the actual GOP goal this should show that to be a lie.
What's funny/sad about this is when you check the usual conservative sites (well, the ones who will even talk about this that is) the reasoning they are using to dismiss it.... it's only a few dozen votes etc...

This one incident, if the numbers play out like it looks they do now, exceeds all examples of voter impersonation on record for the last several decades combined and quite possibly ever.
 

fskimospy

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What's funny/sad about this is when you check the usual conservative sites (well, the ones who will even talk about this that is) the reasoning they are using to dismiss it.... it's only a few dozen votes etc...

This one incident, if the numbers play out like it looks they do now, exceeds all examples of voter impersonation on record for the last several decades combined and quite possibly ever.

I wonder why they are so interested in voter ID laws if not to prevent fraud then.

It is a mystery.
 

UNCjigga

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North Carolina seems to be the model for the rest of the Republican Party nationwide. GOP here used our legislature to undermine the incoming Dem governor and enshrine their privilege, and now it's happening in Wisconsin and Michigan. Don't be surprised if this spreads beyond our border.

Of course, NC GOP leader's first instinct when this came out was to demand the Board of Elections head to step down due to "bias". A Democrat, of course. How dare they not certify the results!

“This is on the governor now to clean this mess up,” said NCGOP executive director Dallas Woodhouse. “The governor must immediately appoint somebody that both sides of the aisle can have utter confidence in.”

GOP: "We committed election fraud--now it's the Democrat's mess to clean up!"
 

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Mr. Harris won 61 percent of submitted absentee ballots in Bladen County, even though registered Republicans accounted for only 19 percent of the ballots submitted.
Hey now, there you go again with your identity politics. You don't think these Dems could have been naturally persuaded by Harris' "big tent" policies and reaching across the aisle to promote bipartisan solutions? After all, he once suggested “There will never be peace in Jerusalem until the day comes that every knee shall bow, every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.” Sounds like he was reaching across the aisle to Jews [and Muslims] to offer up a true lord and savior!
 
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hal2kilo

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Voter fraud what voter fraud?
voter fraud?

Republicans Finally Have an Election Fraud Scandal. And None of Them Want to Talk About It.

And they aint going down without a fight.
Road block democracy

Wisconsin Republicans Are Mounting a North Carolina–Style Assault on Democracy

Criminal hypocrites
 

fskimospy

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they need to put people in prison for this.

Yes. Remember, that woman in Texas got ten years in prison for submitting one illegal vote.

As we have always said THIS is how you steal elections. You don’t concoct elaborate schemes to impersonate other voters at the polls, you just steal or manipulate ballots en masse and the easiest way to do that is with absentee ballots. Republicans think absentee ballots favor them though so they do nothing because this has never been about anything other than preventing Democrats from voting.
 

HomerJS

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Surprised the usual "voter commission-esque" "conservatives" on this board aren't showing up to decry fraud.

Wait, I meant I'm NOT surprised.

Let’s be clear, when they say “voter integrity” they mean more Republican votes and less Democratic votes. They don’t give 2 shits about honest voting
 
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Should be no "do over" if found of election fraud. Other candidate should auto win as you are disqualified for running now and forever in the future.
 

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Should be no "do over" if found of election fraud. Other candidate should auto win as you are disqualified for running now and forever in the future.

oh yeah if this goes all the way to the candidate then he isnt gonna be running from prison.
 
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zinfamous

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NC, WI, and MI: I guess after the last 2 years of repeated, contemptible displays of what deplorably poor winners they are, the GOP was worried that the American people had forgotten what terrible losers they are, as well.
 

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Yeah this is overtly evil stuff here. I'd hope board conservatives could come here and share that view.
 
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NC, WI, and MI: I guess after the last 2 years of repeated, contemptible displays of what deplorably poor winners they are, the GOP was worried that the American people had forgotten what terrible losers they are, as well.

In their defense, even when they lose they win...


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nickqt

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There's been an ongoing civil war for the past 40+ years. The traitors misuse their governmental powers to wage war on their enemies at every opportunity. Then they project their own crimes onto the other party, screaming and spitting.

Collaborators are just as guilty as the traitors.
 

UNCjigga

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Wait...so the State Board of Elections investigated this Dowless guy back in 2016...he admitted to tampering absentee ballots...and then nothing? The media (NPR) even covered it!!

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/606/just-what-i-wanted/act-two-0

Highlights from the Transcript (get ready for some epic GOP Boogeyman projection!):

[Zoe Chace (NPR)] "The man leading the hunt for voter fraud in North Carolina is Dallas Woodhouse, executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party.
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In the real world, Dallas looks for voter fraud, he will tell you, as a matter of principle. There was also a numbers game going on this November. The Republican governor of North Carolina refused to concede the election for weeks because it was such a close race. At the moment I met Dallas, the governor was down just 8,500 votes out of 4.7 million. There were other close races also.

Dallas was out running down every claim of voter fraud around the state. His team accused people of voting twice. That was dismissed. People who voted when they were dead, that was dismissed. Felons who voted.
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The day we talk, Dallas has a smoking gun, a few hundred ballots in the southeast of the state, lots with the same handwriting on them. Jackpot. He takes a breath.”

[Dallas Woodhouse]
“They do realize that 300 or 400 write-in votes can't be done by one person. They do realize that's illegal.”

[Zoe Chace]
“Here's what happened. Down in Bladen County, North Carolina, this guy Brian was going through absentee balance at the Board of Elections. He's a board member, a Republican. His job was to scrutinize each ballot as it came out of the machine. He's heard a lot about voter fraud, never seen it before, but he believes it's widespread. He's heard a lot about it on the news. His eyes are peeled.

And then he notices something. Way down at the bottom of the ballot, there was room for a write-in candidate, the county soil and water district supervisor. And he kept seeing the name Franklin Graham.”

[Brian]
“And it looked like the same handwriting a lot of times.”
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[Zoe Chace]
“It wasn't just one person's handwriting. It was around a dozen people. Dallas has a term for what he thinks this is. He calls it an absentee ballot mill. This is what he pictures when he hears about all these ballots with the same handwriting on them. Key Democratic operatives, running around searching for old people who barely know their own names and then filling out ballots for them. A blatant scheme, Dallas thinks, that gins up votes for the Democrats. And the Democratic governor, remember, is only up by a couple thousand votes.”

[Dallas Woodhouse]
“Should the election board find that these are absentee ballot mills, with the purpose of fraudulent voting, those people should go to jail. They should go to jail. They should spend the first term of the Trump administration behind bars.”
...

[Zoe Chace]
"The governor's lawyers come off a little sloppy. Because a few hours in, the complaint starts to fall apart in this kind of mortifying way. It happens when the person who actually filed the complaint against the Bladen County Improvement Association PAC takes the stand."

[Man 5]
"How you doing, sir?"

[Mccrae Dowless]
"Doing fine, Mr. Michael."

[Zoe Chace]
"McCrae Dowless. He's actually the guy who won the soil and water supervisor race in Bladen County. And he takes the stand looking like he's not quite ready for this. He doesn't have a suit. He's got a big beard, skinny guy, windbreaker. And once he's up there being questioned by one of the Democrats on the Board of Elections, he seems amazingly unfamiliar with his own case."

[Man 5]
"You allege that there was a scheme that was taking place in Bladen County, correct? That's the words that you used-- "blatant scheme"? What did you mean by that?"

[Mccrae Dowless]
"Scheme?"

[Man 5]
"You used the words, "resulting from a blatant scheme."

[Mccrae Dowless]
"Are you saying I used the words or the attorney that wrote that up used the words?"

[Man 5]
"Well, it's got your signature at the end."

[Mccrae Dowless]
"It's got my signature here on it. But as far as writing that personal-- writing that up, I didn't do that. The attorney did. The attorney was the one that drew the protest up."
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[Zoe Chace]
"The complaint is dismissed, 3 to 2. Dreams of the perfect Republican Christmas gift melt away. I can't say for sure, but in talking to reporters, election board members, activists, it seems that no one in North Carolina was able to find a single case of true voter fraud, where someone deliberately impersonates someone else, casts a ballot in their name, real fraud, except possibly one case. One. And that one comes out in a very strange twist during this same hearing, just not where the Republicans were looking. One of the board members starts asking McCrae, their incumbent Republican soil and water supervisor, about whether his side had committed voter fraud.
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Here's what tumbles out of McCrae under the board's questioning. He had some people working for him, getting out the vote-- volunteers, McCrae calls them. The volunteers, though, were allegedly getting paid for each ballot they turned in. That is illegal. One of the voters who signed an affidavit said that Get Out the Vote workers came by and had her family request absentee ballots. But then they never received their absentee ballots in the mail like they were supposed to. Then, when the family went to vote on election day, they were told they'd already voted. In essence, McCrae's getting accused of paying people to obtain absentee ballots, fill them out, and cast their votes on someone else's behalf. That, for sure, is illegal. McCrae says he didn't do anything wrong.

An election board member then calls for further criminal investigation, what appears to be Republican voter fraud.

[Man 8]
"I will be making a motion, that any and all information that this board has in its possession shall be forwarded to the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina."

[Zoe Chace]
"The attorney could choose to keep looking into Horace as well, but the focus of the investigation seems to be what McCrae has just revealed. Two days later, the governor of North Carolina concedes the race to the Democrats. There are just no votes left to recount, no more fraud left to look into.

Dallas Woodhouse, the Republican fraud hunter, says there is still systemic voter fraud out there, stuff that's not being caught. And that is going to continue until the voting system itself changes. Right now, Dallas would say there are too many opportunities for voter fraud, too many ways that people could pretend to be someone else. Right now, you show up to vote with no ID, they let you vote. You show up at the wrong precinct, they let you vote."

[Dallas Woodhouse]
"Our side does think the voters have some responsibilities. And the best example is showing up to the right place to vote on election day. I do think that's a fair statement."

[Zoe Chace]
"I think that is the exact thing that Democrats will point to saying, that disenfranchises our people because our people--"

[Dallas Woodhouse]
"How does it disenfranchise their people?"

[Zoe Chace]
"Because their people--"

[Dallas Woodhouse]
"See, they have such a negative, horrible, demeaning view of their own people, that they can't show up at the right place to vote."
 
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I don't see a response proportional to the act. Is anyone doing anything? There should be people yelling for a civil rights investigation and voiding the results in the counties involved for a redo.

Where the hell are people making this a priority? Are the Dems going to seat this fraud?
 

fskimospy

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I don't see a response proportional to the act. Is anyone doing anything? There should be people yelling for a civil rights investigation and voiding the results in the counties involved for a redo.

Where the hell are people making this a priority? Are the Dems going to seat this fraud?

Democrats are saying they are considering not seating him:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...fe2b12-f7e3-11e8-863c-9e2f864d47e7_story.html

As things stand I doubt they will let him take his seat.
 

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fskimospy

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"Considering" bothers me. If this issue isn't fairly dealt with by January this is a must-do-no-brainer for me. We can't have a thief who without a doubt had the election stolen installed. Dems better not start folding or be ready to lose 2020.

I feel like from the text of the article they are saying pretty clearly they won't.
 

trenchfoot

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The tip-o-the-'ol-iceberg.

Let's see if the Repubs in DC and in their state controlled legislatures actually do something to stop these crimes from happening. If they don't or simply give it some empty half-ass effort for show (as I suspect is this case) then color me not surprised.