Concealed carry doesn't work if they already have a gun on you right?

[OverVolt]

Doesn't matter or doesn't matter much?

Lol if it was a limit of 4 or something, then it would matter, but at that point you might as well ban everything that isn't a muzzle loader musket (a defacto gun ban). Or repeal the 2nd amendment.

I mean really, do you guys honestly think 10 vs 30 round magazines actually saved anyones life? How would you know for certain?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Lol if it was a limit of 4 or something, then it would matter, but at that point you might as well ban everything that isn't a muzzle loader musket (a defacto gun ban). Or repeal the 2nd amendment.

I mean really, do you guys honestly think 10 vs 30 round magazines actually saved anyones life? and cost no one their life in defense? It probably hurts just as many as it saves at best.

Do really think a mass murderer is going to derp only use 7 round mags?

What a stupid comment, I'm disappointed you're even trying to argue such an illogical point.


This video proves you need 4 rounds minimum to safely put down a vicious attacker.

What about 2 attackers, or 3? My concern with this is home invasions, which statistically have more than 3 attackers.


What would you do if 4 armed men burst into your home screaming police? Cower in the corner, no doubt.


I'm sure your family is proud.

 

[MtnMan]

If a bg's intent is to shoot you, you would have already been shot. His goal is to intimidate and scare you into complying with what ever he wants, through fear.

Draw and shoot without any hesitation at all, and continue to shoot until the threat is eliminated.

 

[OverVolt]

Do really think a mass murderer is going to derp only use 7 round mags?

What a stupid comment, I'm disappointed you're even trying to argue such an illogical point.


This video proves you need 4 rounds minimum to safely put down a vicious attacker.

What about 2 attackers, or 3? My concern with this is home invasions, which statistically have more than 3 attackers.


What would you do if 4 armed men burst into your home screaming police? Cower in the corner, no doubt.


I'm sure your family is proud.

Its just a very slight hyperbole of the anti-gun argument. Not by much actually, since many states have 10 round magazine limits now. They'd go for 4,5,7 etc. if they could. Hopefully it makes people realize its not going to saves anyone's life, and if anything make it so that people using them for self defense are pretty much defenseless if they keep going, probably costing law abiding people their lives. AKA their efforts are futile.

 

[ivwshane]

Its just a very slight hyperbole of the anti-gun argument. Not by much actually, since many states have 10 round magazine limits now. They'd go for 4,5,7 etc. if they could. Hopefully it makes people realize its not going to saves anyone's life, and if anything make it so that people using them for self defense are pretty much defenseless if they keep going, probably costing law abiding people their lives. AKA their efforts are futile.

Lol, talk about hyperbole.

 

[irishScott]

Lol, talk about hyperbole.

Governor Cuomo has stated that he wanted 5 round magazine restrictions, but didn't see it as possible. So he "settled" for 7.

Seriously, outside of New York Cuomo is probably the best thing to happen for gun rights advocates in the last 20 years. Any time some lefty laughs at the slippery slope argument, laughs at the idea of confiscation, calls anyone who believes in it a conspiracy theorist, there's good 'ol Cuomo on public record stating that's exactly what he wants. And he backed it up by ramming the pathetically flawed SAFE act through as well.

It's sad because most Democrats don't want unreasonable gun restrictions, they just want to give the keys to the safe (the gun safe, if you will) to those that do.

 

[MtnMan]

Only a few states have a mag capacity limit. My local gun store had a stack of 50 round drum mags for Glocks sitting on the counter the last time I was there.

I carry a .40 sub-compact with 9 +1, plus a 12 round extra mag. If I carry my 9mm I'm 16 +1 with another 16 in a extra mag.

 

[ivwshane]

Governor Cuomo has stated that he wanted 5 round magazine restrictions, but didn't see it as possible. So he "settled" for 7.

Seriously, outside of New York Cuomo is probably the best thing to happen for gun rights advocates in the last 20 years. Any time some lefty laughs at the slippery slope argument, laughs at the idea of confiscation, calls anyone who believes in it a conspiracy theorist, there's good 'ol Cuomo on public record stating that's exactly what he wants. And he backed it up by ramming the pathetically flawed SAFE act through as well.

It's sad because most Democrats don't want unreasonable gun restrictions, they just want to give the keys to the safe (the gun safe, if you will) to those that do.

So one guy represents all democrats and therefore validates overvolts claim/hyperbole? Thanks I'll remember that next time. Hell you even stated most dems want reasonable gun restrictions, so I don't know what your point was.

 

[irishScott]

So one guy represents all democrats and therefore validates overvolts claim/hyperbole? Thanks I'll remember that next time. Hell you even stated most dems want reasonable gun restrictions, so I don't know what your point was.

My point, which was quite clearly stated, was that the reasonable dems aren't in charge of the gun control movement. People like Cuomo, Bloomberg, Brady and Feinstein are. Yet Democrats just blindly support them, refuse to reign them in, and then vilify pro-gunners for refusing to put our guns in the hands of people who have in some cases gone on public record saying they would gladly confiscate and smelt them down if they had the chance.

 

[ivwshane]

My point, which was quite clearly stated, was that the reasonable dems aren't in charge of the gun control movement. People like Cuomo, Bloomberg, Brady and Feinstein are. Yet Democrats just blindly support them, refuse to reign them in, and then vilify pro-gunners for refusing to put our guns in the hands of people who have in some cases gone on public record saying they would gladly confiscate and smelt them down if they had the chance.

Yes and my point was that your point was invalid as democrats are not in lockstep with one another. Sure you have some democrats leading the way but they have few followers.

 

[momeNt]

Should the otherside of the argument start posting stories where the opposite was true? Would that change your mind? No? Then why the fuck do you think your story is of any importance?

Anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal.

If there is any margin of successful defense by having the right to carry available to you as a citizen, then it should be allowed. Just because it isn't successful 100% of the time doesn't mean that people should be unable to carry a weapon.

The logic in your post is astounding.

 

[ivwshane]

If there is any margin of successful defense by having the right to carry available to you as a citizen, then it should be allowed. Just because it isn't successful 100% of the time doesn't mean that people should be unable to carry a weapon.

The logic in your post is astounding.

Interesting because the anti gun crowd uses the same argument you just made to push their agenda but somehow I think you would disagree with their logic.

My logic is sound

 

[Genx87]

Governor Cuomo has stated that he wanted 5 round magazine restrictions, but didn't see it as possible. So he "settled" for 7.

Seriously, outside of New York Cuomo is probably the best thing to happen for gun rights advocates in the last 20 years. Any time some lefty laughs at the slippery slope argument, laughs at the idea of confiscation, calls anyone who believes in it a conspiracy theorist, there's good 'ol Cuomo on public record stating that's exactly what he wants. And he backed it up by ramming the pathetically flawed SAFE act through as well.

It's sad because most Democrats don't want unreasonable gun restrictions, they just want to give the keys to the safe (the gun safe, if you will) to those that do.

Have those idiots in the NY state house fixed the exemption for law enforcement? Or are cops running around with 7 rounds in their mags? Or are cops breaking the law?

 

[Genx87]

Yes and my point was that your point was invalid as democrats are not in lockstep with one another. Sure you have some democrats leading the way but they have few followers.

Surely you can point us to democrats fighting these people then? They have enough followers to get these idiotic gun laws passed within your party.

 

[ivwshane]

Surely you can point us to democrats fighting these people then? They have enough followers to get these idiotic gun laws passed within your party.

Sure, just look at the gun bills that didnt pass. You will find multiple democrats voted against them.

 

[Genx87]

Sure, just look at the gun bills that didnt pass. You will find multiple democrats voted against them.

Oh wow, that is what you call leading a fight against the party's leaders?

 

[ivwshane]

Oh wow, that is what you call leading a fight against the party's leaders?

What did you expect? Attack ads? Physical confrontation? Have you seen republicans come out against other republicans? What did that look like?

 

[Genx87]

What did you expect? Attack ads? Physical confrontation? Have you seen republicans come out against other republicans? What did that look like?

I'd expect them to call out their leaders for the bullshit they are spewing. I have seen republicans call others out for their bullshit policies.

 

[ivwshane]

I'd expect them to call out their leaders for the bullshit they are spewing. I have seen republicans call others out for their bullshit policies.

Really? Please share. I suspect any member of any party calling out their respective leaders would probably be on their way out (either leaving their party or leaving politics).

 

[Genx87]

Really? Please share. I suspect any member of any party calling out their respective leaders would probably be on their way out (either leaving their party or leaving politics).

You missed the last decade or so of Ron Paul? The guy called out republicans on their bullshit policies. Where is the democrats ron paul?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Look at the general mindset of democrats... Not just the leaders, but the followers as well.


Their political 'side' tends to lean heavily towards group-think, and they will support a position purely because the Dear Leader says so.


They are responsible for this mess, including the silent ones who allow this stupidity without saying anything.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Really? Please share. I suspect any member of any party calling out their respective leaders would probably be on their way out (either leaving their party or leaving politics).

False.... In general the republican party is much more open towards people giving their say so.

Our American democrat party will toss out anyone who speaks against them.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What did you expect? Attack ads? Physical confrontation? Have you seen republicans come out against other republicans? What did that look like?

Don't be daft.

 

[ivwshane]

You missed the last decade or so of Ron Paul? The guy called out republicans on their bullshit policies. Where is the democrats ron paul?

Ron Paul? A republican in name only, literally.

 

[Genx87]

Ron Paul? A republican in name only, literally.

That is your retort? Then where are the democtats in name only?