Compromising pics found on office computer -UPDATE-

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rasczak

Lifer
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Because it DOESN'T FUCKIN' MATTER. It's a couple of LEGAL pictures on a computer. FUCKIN' Shift-delete would have taken care of it in less time than it took to click "New Thread"...

A bunch of pansy-assed mother fuckers... You people are the reason I hate the fuckin' world. You worry about covering your own asses, and have to go run off to the boss, the web, the wife... To ask how to handle life's little problems. Do still get mommy to wipe your ass for you too? :^S

lxskllr,

While your point is quite understandable, the corporate (actually most of the job world) is always going to look for a scapegoat. Had mosh not done anything and someone else discovered the laptop and the photos (using some sort of recovery tool, and you know there are individuals out there who do that sort of thing) she could have been implicated in this as well for simply having deleted the photos in the first place. this could have been construed as trying to cover up for him. She did the right thing. She simply asked for advice on an issue that obviously wasn't as simple as you state. She got the advice, and made a decision using that advice as a guideline. Let be fair here.
 

lxskllr

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lxskllr,

While your point is quite understandable, the corporate (actually most of the job world) is always going to look for a scapegoat. Had mosh not done anything and someone else discovered the laptop and the photos (using some sort of recovery tool, and you know there are individuals out there who do that sort of thing) she could have been implicated in this as well for simply having deleted the photos in the first place. this could have been construed as trying to cover up for him. She did the right thing. She simply asked for advice on an issue that obviously wasn't as simple as you state. She got the advice, and made a decision using that advice as a guideline. Let be fair here.

My response was more directly aimed at nerp, but I stand by my statement. Shift-delete, and go tell the coworker that it might be a good idea to carry his own machine if he wants to privately use a computer. It takes a couple minutes total, and the problem's taken care of, with nobody involved who doesn't have to be involved.

Edit:
...and taking the retarded corporate chess game into account, you've just gained an ally in the office....
 

rasczak

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
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I agree!

In this modern sissy, selfish, politically correct, legal world, paper work and protocol are there just to protect from multimillion dollar lawsuits.

95% of company ethics policies are broken daily.

I wish the world would use more common sense and less protocol.

Just because 95% of company ethics are broken daily doesn't mean you shouldn't hold yourself personally accountable or leave your own personal moral/ethics out when making a decision. Those photos are borderline at best and disgusting (at least to a prude) at worst. if it could be any bit offensive, then wouldn't that be wrong and shouldn't that be a offense worth turning in?
 

D1gger

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You should really see someone about your anger issues. It's not good for your health. Hello ulcer, hypertension, heart attack, etc.


Alright, did what I felt was the right thing this morning. I went to HR, not the top guy, but another person in HR. I told her I was trying to get this laptop set up for the clinic I am in, and not having IT's help yet, I was trying to do it myself. I came upon this picture file and I clicked on it and found these pictures. I told her I didn't think I should delete them b/c I don't want to be involved in the matter in that way. She immediately called in the Head IT guy who called the clinic and told them he wanted the computer immediately. He told me I could check with them Monday for an update.

I did not accuse anyone of anything. I was not asked who I thought put the pictures on there, but I did ask the co-worker who had the computer before me if she had saw these pictures. She said she didn't see any pictures on there when she had it. The file is not hidden at all. There is only one person who had access to the computer between her and I using it as far as I know.

So, it is out of my hands. For people saying I should leave this place of employment b/c of the shaky chain of command... I love my job. It is unique and something I love to do. Leaving is really not an option for me at this point. I would not leave over a situation such as this.

Mosh, I believe you did the correct thing with the exception that I don't believe you should have talked to your co-worker who had the laptop before you. You have now to some degree taken control of the situation away from the people in HR/IT by potentially spreading rumours about who may have put these images on the computer. It would have been better to simply leave it up to HR/IT to investigate and resolve the issue.

You have no idea if the co-worker you spoke to will now begin gossiping the so-and-so downloaded child porn on the computer and this transgression of misuse of a company laptop will become a witch hunt beyond reasonable proportion because of the rumours.

It had to be reported, but it should have been left there.
 

Elganja

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Just because 95% of company ethics are broken daily doesn't mean you shouldn't hold yourself personally accountable or leave your own personal moral/ethics out when making a decision. Those photos are borderline at best and disgusting (at least to a prude) at worst. if it could be any bit offensive, then wouldn't that be wrong and shouldn't that be a offense worth turning in?

do you report yourself for any ethics violation you may have broken? How about the OP?

@lxskllr... I agree with everything you have said, maybe with a little less rage :p
 

vshah

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Mosh,

I see you already took the issue to HR, which was going to be my recommendation. I would also, just to be extra cautious, send a follow up email so that you have a written record of what happened.

-Vivan
 

Adrenaline

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Mosh,

I see you already took the issue to HR, which was going to be my recommendation. I would also, just to be extra cautious, send a follow up email so that you have a written record of what happened.

-Vivan

The email is a good idea as a record. I would also print out the email and file it at home. Any reply you get I would print out and file it at home.

Mosh, if you feel you did the right thing that is all that matters.
 

edro

Lifer
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Just because 95% of company ethics are broken daily doesn't mean you shouldn't hold yourself personally accountable or leave your own personal moral/ethics out when making a decision. Those photos are borderline at best and disgusting (at least to a prude) at worst. if it could be any bit offensive, then wouldn't that be wrong and shouldn't that be a offense worth turning in?
No, because I am not a rat and it does not concern or affect me.

There is a %0.000001 chance she would get in trouble for deleting the images, even IF they somehow found out that they were deleted.

BTW, are any of you tattle tails posting from work?
I am going to turn you in.
 

krylon

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Since when is kissing and fondling considered child porn? The only wrongdoing here seems to be your snooping.
 

frostedflakes

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It's kind of borderline. The images aren't pornographic, but even fully clothed, if the images are intended to be sexually arousing, they're still illegal I think.
 

guyver01

Lifer
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Where's the full time forensics lab that scans every HD weekly looking for policy violations?

Well.. technology has changed since the 1920's , which based on your advice, was the last time you worked for ANY company.

There is this new technology now.. called SMS (and no.. i dont mean Text Message SMS) which stands for Systems Management Server. Want to guess what it does?

You guessed it..

SMS can scan your system and inventory EVERYTHING on your pc. It can check against AD Policies and REMOVE stuff that doesn't belong. It takes a snapshot of your harddrive as well, so IT can know EXACTLY what you have on your computer, without you even knowing we do.

If you plug a USB camera into your port without authorization, we will know it.

So... wanna talk again about your "wonderous knowledge" of how the magical world of computers work?

or wanna shut your piehole and admit you're either a 16yr old in high school reading books, or a 90yr old who thinks technology is bad, and the world is shit because of a "negro" in the white house.
 

lxskllr

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Well.. technology has changed since the 1920's , which based on your advice, was the last time you worked for ANY company.

There is this new technology now.. called SMS (and no.. i dont mean Text Message SMS) which stands for Systems Management Server. Want to guess what it does?

You guessed it..

SMS can scan your system and inventory EVERYTHING on your pc. It can check against AD Policies and REMOVE stuff that doesn't belong. It takes a snapshot of your harddrive as well, so IT can know EXACTLY what you have on your computer, without you even knowing we do.

If you plug a USB camera into your port without authorization, we will know it.

So... wanna talk again about your "wonderous knowledge" of how the magical world of computers work?

or wanna shut your piehole and admit you're either a 16yr old in high school reading books, or a 90yr old who thinks technology is bad, and the world is shit because of a "negro" in the white house.

That's pretty special technology that detects deleted files :^S You should should market that shit. I see a big side business in data recovery in your future ;^)
 

CoinOperatedBoy

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That's pretty special technology that detects deleted files :^S You should should market that shit. I see a big side business in data recovery in your future ;^)

Admins/management could have detected the files prior to deletion. Then they'd know Mosh got rid of them and said nothing. This really does happen in the corporate environment -- a place you've revealed you know little about.

Regardless, Mosh did do the right thing. She didn't explicitly rat out the coworker, if that's what you're bitching about. She spoke to her HR rep, pointed no fingers, and took care of the situation professionally. Thumbs up for Mosh, thumbs down for Trolly McGood-ol'-boy here.
 

WHAMPOM

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WWYD?

The Administrator of our office, a man, took one of our laptops with him for a few days to meetings he had in another city. Today I had the laptop and noticed a picture file on it that I hadn't seen before. I opened it and inside were a dozen pictures of two young females, definitely under age, probably about 14-15 years old, engaged in some kissing and fondling of each other. They were fully clothed.

I'm not sure what to do about it. Just leave them on there like I don't know they exist? I don't think I should delete them as I don't want any action taken on those pictures being associated with me. I really don't want to approach him on it, but it's bothering me that I've seen these pictures saved on a computer I am using.

What would you do? : /

When you have porn in your head, you see porn in everything.
 

evident

Lifer
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Since when is kissing and fondling considered child porn? The only wrongdoing here seems to be your snooping.

having indecent images on company property is probably in violation of corporate policy at the least and a person could be reprimanded or fired for it depending on the company of course.

Actually this whole thread does beg the question, should you tip your HR manager?

only if he's jewish!!:D
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
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Admins/management could have detected the files prior to deletion. Then they'd know Mosh got rid of them and said nothing. This really does happen in the corporate environment -- a place you've revealed you know little about.

Regardless, Mosh did do the right thing. She didn't explicitly rat out the coworker, if that's what you're bitching about. She spoke to her HR rep, pointed no fingers, and took care of the situation professionally. Thumbs up for Mosh, thumbs down for Trolly McGood-ol'-boy here.

Yea, because management has policy against ca2635ed1.jpg, and the system specifically checks for any instances of ca2635ed1.jpg on all computers... Care to tell me another one? These stories are getting good :^S
 

CoinOperatedBoy

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Yea, because management has policy against ca2635ed1.jpg, and the system specifically checks for any instances of ca2635ed1.jpg on all computers... Care to tell me another one? These stories are getting good :^S

Just because you're totally ignorant of how corporate system monitoring works doesn't mean it doesn't. People at my workplace were fired for IMs about fantasy football. Having these particular images discovered may be a longshot, but it happens.
 

Regs

Lifer
Aug 9, 2002
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No people at your organization were fired because they were likely involved in gambling or some other serious offense or detriment to the organization.

It's easy to get the facts twisted at work, and people usually believe in the first irrational information they hear.
 
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My response was more directly aimed at nerp, but I stand by my statement. Shift-delete, and go tell the coworker that it might be a good idea to carry his own machine if he wants to privately use a computer. It takes a couple minutes total, and the problem's taken care of, with nobody involved who doesn't have to be involved.

Edit:
...and taking the retarded corporate chess game into account, you've just gained an ally in the office....

Look, at some point you just need to recognize that you're incorrect.

Granted if it were a VERY small company (think 20-30 employees) then maybe. But if you work for a "real" company (with HR, admins, IT, etc) then you NEED to report something like this to protect YOURSELF.


This is a job. I'm not going to do someone a favor if it means risking my job, period. In my opinion all other details (policy, moral, "friendship", etc) can be ignored and she STILL should report it.

I've seen at least 2 cases very similar to this (one with an IT desktop person and another was an office admin) where they didn't report someone for misuse of company equipment. Granted, neither were fired, but it was definitely a HUGE deal.