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The sad part is even up to and past the Vietnam war many service men could get away with paying in Monopoly money. They'd often use the largest bills making the poor girl think she was getting a small fortune.

Some of this contributes to the hate of the USA esp as a war machine.
 
The sad part is even up to and past the Vietnam war many service men could get away with paying in Monopoly money. They'd often use the largest bills making the poor girl think she was getting a small fortune.

Some of this contributes to the hate of the USA esp as a war machine.

Now that's funny.
 
OK. You got me. They are retreating in the East China Sea but going all out in the South China sea🙄

However, no weapons have been fired yet...


Yup, them Chinese sure are retreating from the Sea of Japan. 🙂

http://www.japanprobe.com/2012/03/18/chinese-patrol-ship-violates-japanese-territorial-waters/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/china-japan-warships-territory-dispute_n_883266.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/24/us-japan-china-disputes-idUSTRE77N0R620110824

You were saying? Ohhh, no shot fired = all kosher, all good. It is all the fault of the victims 😵

Still no link? Nothing, no answer to my previous question (post #101 - is it acceptable)? Yup, nothing. 😀
 
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Why focus so much on those two places and ignore China, Vietnam, Singapore, Bangladesh, Borneo, Indonesia, Hong Kong, etc...?

Those are places that were not under colonial masters.

You stated that it was OK for Japan to treat/abuse conquered areas of SE Asia and the Pacific Islands because they were Western colonies.
 
Yup, them Chinese sure are retreating from the Sea of Japan. 🙂

http://www.japanprobe.com/2012/03/18/chinese-patrol-ship-violates-japanese-territorial-waters/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/china-japan-warships-territory-dispute_n_883266.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/24/us-japan-china-disputes-idUSTRE77N0R620110824

You were saying? Ohhh, no shot fired = all kosher, all good. It is all the fault of the victims 😵

Still no link? Nothing, no answer to my previous question (post #101 - is it acceptable)? Yup, nothing. 😀

Are you stupid? I said fishing boats. You know, the kind the Chinese government has no control over. Also, ships are allowed to go through Japan as per international agreements. So the Huffingtonpost article is much ado about nothing. Third, you're fucking linking articles that are months old that have nothing to do with what I specifically wrote. When a Chinese boat gets into a confrontation with Japan and the Japanese coast guard arrests the crew, the Chinese government has no choice but to go nationalistic. That is why they've been telling their fishermen to steer clear of Japanese waters. Try harder.
 
Those are places that were not under colonial masters.

You stated that it was OK for Japan to treat/abuse conquered areas of SE Asia and the Pacific Islands because they were Western colonies.

Hurray for you, you found two minor exceptions. But ignore everything else. Your argument is weak.
 
Are you stupid? I said fishing boats. You know, the kind the Chinese government has no control over. Also, ships are allowed to go through Japan as per international agreements. So the Huffingtonpost article is much ado about nothing. Third, you're fucking linking articles that are months old that have nothing to do with what I specifically wrote. When a Chinese boat gets into a confrontation with Japan and the Japanese coast guard arrests the crew, the Chinese government has no choice but to go nationalistic. That is why they've been telling their fishermen to steer clear of Japanese waters. Try harder.

No, you are the one that is truly stupid. Read my links from Reuters and other sources. Where are yours?

And why still no answer from my question on post #101? Yes or No? Are you that stupid that you can not even answer one word question?

See? I can play name calling game too. 😀

Why don't you go away and play the "blame everything on the victims" game.
 
Other than I have heard them first hand; nope - not made up

Well, I wasn't there so I cannot speak for the validity of the claims. But if were going to start seeking eyewitness accounts, why don't we do the prudent thing and look at the Japanese archives as well. Nope, don't want to do that. Too inconvenient...
 
No, you are the one that is truly stupid. Read my links from Reuters and other sources. Where are yours?

And why still no answer from my question on post #101? Yes or No? Are you that stupid that you can not even answer one word question?

See? I can play name calling game too. 😀

Why don't you go away and play the "blame everything on the victims" game.

You're a fucking idiot if you cannot tell the difference between a fucking fishing boat crewed by fishermen and warships and coast guard vessels.

EDIT: And I already answered 101. If there was something specific, re-post it.
 
You're a fucking idiot if you cannot tell the difference between a fucking fishing boat crewed by fishermen and warships and coast guard vessels.

EDIT: And I already answered 101. If there was something specific, re-post it.


Fishing boats you said? Now watch how you would pull another straw man and weasle out..LOL.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/NE16Ad01.html

John F Copper, a professor of international studies at Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee, does not doubt that the men are given concrete assignments by the Chinese government, or at least are encouraged in their actions.

"There is little chance they are fishing in disputed waters or where they may provoke Japan, South Korea or the Philippines on their own," Copper said, adding that China wished to display its economic and military clout, especially to Japan, while the issues of sea lanes and oil may be at play as well.

"Also, making claims to territory conforms with the growth of Chinese nationalism, which the PLA has been and is successfully using to its advantage."

Lai I-chung, a researcher at the Taiwan Thinktank, agreed that the fishermen clearly had military or paramilitary connections. He listed several indicators.

"Every Chinese fishing boat needs to report to authorities where it's about to go before sailing out to sea," Lai said. According to him, this explains why vessels belonging to the PLA Navy or other official boats were able to appear at the scene suspiciously quickly in a number of incidents.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1nj_T3PGDc

http://articles.businessinsider.com..._1_illegal-fishing-coast-guard-diaoyu-islands

South Korea is much stronger (military speaking) than Phillipines and Vietnam yet China is bullying it around (Chinese fisherman stab a SK coast guard to death). I don't remember any other nations stab or kill or attack/capture/demand ransome money from Chinese fishermen.

My question was is it ok for China to have oil and gas exploration right off the coasts of sovereign nations (igoring all international rules and norms)? Repost the pic from Chinese government = http://en.cnooc.com.cn/data/upload/month_201206/blocke_u8aJay.jpg
 
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Fishing boats you said? Now watch how you would pull another straw man and weasle out..LOL.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/NE16Ad01.html




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1nj_T3PGDc

http://articles.businessinsider.com..._1_illegal-fishing-coast-guard-diaoyu-islands

South Korea is much stronger (military speaking) than Phillipines and Vietnam yet China is bullying it around (Chinese fisherman stab a SK coast guard to death). I don't remember any other nations stab or kill or attack/capture/demand ransome money from Chinese fishermen.

My question was is it ok for China to have oil and gas exploration right off the coasts of sovereign nations (igoring all international rules and norms)? Repost the pic from Chinese government = http://en.cnooc.com.cn/data/upload/month_201206/blocke_u8aJay.jpg

And yet we have not seen any near those islands. Thanks for proving my point. As for that silly pic you posted, I have no idea what it's showing. And, if the Chinese can skirt international rules without firing a single shot, then they are doing exactly what I said they'd try to do. I don't understand why you think international rules or agreements mean anything to me...
 
And yet we have not seen any near those islands. Thanks for proving my point. As for that silly pic you posted, I have no idea what it's showing. And, if the Chinese can skirt international rules without firing a single shot, then they are doing exactly what I said they'd try to do. I don't understand why you think international rules or agreements mean anything to me...

I tried to have a honest debate with you but your mind is set. Can't help you there.

Have fun with your "blame the victim" game. From your statements, I would know your answer already.
 
Well, I wasn't there so I cannot speak for the validity of the claims. But if were going to start seeking eyewitness accounts, why don't we do the prudent thing and look at the Japanese archives as well. Nope, don't want to do that. Too inconvenient...

Go ahead and dig up the archives for the Philippine campaign. And while at it, Indonesia, Singapore, etc

History researchers have already done this previously and they refernce where the information comes from.

But it may expose what you do not want to know.
 
Dari, do you believe the Holocaust was a fabrication as well? I wonder if your excusing of warcrimes is simply because you have a asian fetish thing, or if you feel the Nazi's were unfairly maligned as well. They stood for the same things you apparently believe in, they felt that might made right, and killed a shitload of people to prove it.
 
Dari, do you believe the Holocaust was a fabrication as well? I wonder if your excusing of warcrimes is simply because you have a asian fetish thing, or if you feel the Nazi's were unfairly maligned as well. They stood for the same things you apparently believe in, they felt that might made right, and killed a shitload of people to prove it.

Yeah, it happened. In that case it was government abandoning its own citizens, which is the worst thing imaginable to me. It's like a parent abandoning their child. Not just the German government at the time but other governments that willingly handed over their own people to satiate a wild beast.
 
Go ahead and dig up the archives for the Philippine campaign. And while at it, Indonesia, Singapore, etc

History researchers have already done this previously and they refernce where the information comes from.

But it may expose what you do not want to know.

I'm not really following the argument you're making here. There was a vacuum in that vast region and it was filled by Japan. Are you trying to argue that there's a right way and a wrong way to fight? Who determines what is right or wrong? It's all subjective.
 
The comfort women crime that Japanese military committed was very real, along with the anthrax experiment they did on civilians in China, Taiwan, and Korea.

Most Japanese civilians today have nothing to do with it and they do feel remorse of what their previous generation did. However the right wing has a lot of power in politics and finances and they are the one who try to white wash their history and beautify it. There are these kind of people in every nation, including US, Russia, China, Korea, etc, but they are not the majority of population in Japan.

Most of the civilians between China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Philippine, Taiwan, etc have nothing against each other. It is their government who try to beat the drum to settle the dispute of sovereign of some tiny islands here and there. Japan claims they own the "Fishing island" off Taiwan as part of their other island, but geologically they are near Taiwan and China claims that they own it (along with Taiwan, as they are merely in cease fire and the commies are technically still fighting a 60-70 year civil war with KMT).

China doesn't want to settle the fishing island dispute in court with Japan because they use the same tactic the Japanese did to try to claim sovereign on the island off South China sea now claimed by Philippine.

US will likely not do anything if there's war break out between them only along these small islands, but if they start attacking the mainland of Japan or Phillipine then we will probably be forced to do something. China probably wouldn't want to attack until they are more powerful, but they do not want others to think that they can get away with the islands in the mean time, thus the war drumming.

I don't know what would NK be like in the future. I do not see China allowing Korea to unite and SK keeping their US base. I also do not see China wanting to incite NK invading SK like they did last time, as the cost would be too big.

Japan will probably not be allowed to own their own military as long as their right wing military power is still around. If we leave them alone they may end up another aggressor in Asia again like last time. That and having an island off Siberia helps keep Russia and China in check too.
 
I'm not really following the argument you're making here. There was a vacuum in that vast region and it was filled by Japan. Are you trying to argue that there's a right way and a wrong way to fight? Who determines what is right or wrong? It's all subjective.

The original colonial vacuum was filled in after WW1.

the Japanese decided to take it all afterwards during their expansion in the 30s'

The way they treated the existing populations is the issue.


Comfort women were not obtained via help wanted posters.
Roads were not built via contracts; they were built using slave labor overseen by the ilitary.
A person could not get up in the morning was executed. Same with one that fell out of the work line.
 
The original colonial vacuum was filled in after WW1.

the Japanese decided to take it all afterwards during their expansion in the 30s'

The way they treated the existing populations is the issue.


Comfort women were not obtained via help wanted posters.
Roads were not built via contracts; they were built using slave labor overseen by the ilitary.
A person could not get up in the morning was executed. Same with one that fell out of the work line.

Figments of your imagination.
 
Figments of your imagination.

Yet documented in historical records from the Japanese and conquered countries.

POWs experienced what I described.

You are attempting to deny what happened and excuse any evidence as to what happened as justified actions.
 
Yet documented in historical records from the Japanese and conquered countries.

POWs experienced what I described.

You are attempting to deny what happened and excuse any evidence as to what happened as justified actions.

The main topic here was on comfort women. I've tried to explain some inaccuracies about it and laid bare some fables. Again, I'm trying to understand what point you're trying to make here. Even if what you said is true, so what? Is there a bad way to fight a war and a good way? Whose way is good/bad? What exactly are you trying to convince me? Shit happens in war. It's a time when anything goes. Your original point in this thread was to say that Japan's invasion of some of the territories were unjustified. That makes no sense. It's akin to saying that a colonialist's invasion of a territory is unjustified. The colonialist and I will ask you: Says who?
 
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