Comfort Women

[Dari]

The problem with logic based on one wrong assumption (that Japan did not willingly and actively use murder, rape and, torture to subdue civilian populations) is that the internal arguments are very logical and rational. However, that does not make them correct, right or, sensical to people who have not made that one assumption. I recommend you read a little more about the war in China during WW II. I'm the last one to think that just because the majority believes one way that, it must be correct. However, in this case we are and you are wrong.

How do you know any of this? Were you there? There were beheading competitions and such but it was not systemic. Not at all. These were exceptions and performed by excited units. Can you fault an entire army on the actions of a few? Like I said, the Japanese may not have treated their own in the same manner but it's not as if death was not a part of life in Japan...

 

[Dari]

You are fucking insane and possibly a sociopath.

I am not insane. We are a warrior culture. How do you think we became so powerful? With promises and handshakes and kisses? No, with guns. Lots and lots of guns. And aggression. You love our country? Then embrace us for what we are. Killers. Behind every conquest is a defeated people. Behind every hero lies dead men. That's just the way of the world. If you want to change this culture then you never appreciated us and the sacrifice we've had to make to make the greatest nation on earth.

 

[Infohawk]

I am not insane. We are a warrior culture. How do you think we became so powerful? With promises and handshakes and kisses? No, with guns. Lots and lots of guns. And aggression. You love our country? Then embrace us for what we are. Killers. Behind every conquest is a defeated people. Behind every hero lies dead men. That's just the way of the world. If you want to change this culture then you never appreciated us and the sacrifice we've had to make to make the greatest nation on earth.

It's one thing if you want to argue American history is as bloody as Japanese history. It's quite another to act like Japanese atrocities are not a big deal because Americans also have had atrocities. You seem to be making the latter point.

A lot of American history is reprehensible. So is a lot of Japanese history or just about any country's history.

 

[Dari]

It's one thing if you want to argue American history is as bloody as Japanese history. It's quite another to act like Japanese atrocities are not a big deal because Americans also have had atrocities. You seem to be making the latter point.

A lot of American history is reprehensible. So is a lot of Japanese history or just about any country's history.

If mistakes were made then they should be corrected. That is the law of civilizations. But people should not go on these guilt trips and try to make the people that hold those very civilizations together out to be monsters. They were men putting their lives on the line for a calling greater than themselves. I don't care what country that is. Soldiers are soldiers and deserve more than this. It's always the weak trying to bring down the strong. If so and so did something to your compatriots then, instead of asking why that soldier did this to your compatriot, you should ask where your soldiers were during all this.

 

[Infohawk]

If mistakes were made then they should be corrected. That is the law of civilizations. But people should not go on these guilt trips and try to make the people that hold those very civilizations together out to be monsters.

You can't correct those wrongs without teaching people about them. That's why we learn about slavery and the American Indians in America. People just want the Japanese to recognize their past and recognize the mistakes. It's not like anyone is demanding that that Japanese schoolchildren write "we are bad" on the chalkboard over and over.

 

[Dari]

You can't correct those wrongs without teaching people about them. That's why we learn about slavery and the American Indians in America. People just want the Japanese to recognize their past and recognize the mistakes. It's not like anyone is demanding that that Japanese schoolchildren write "we are bad" on the chalkboard over and over.

I really don't understand what the big deal is. Civilians are civilians. They are always in the way and there is a lot of them. They're just there. ALL DAY EVERYDAY. This demand that soldiers or those they represent be made to feel guilty is stupid. Slavery happened in America. So what? It happened everywhere else and the shit is still happening today in Africa as we speak. Whose fault is that? I blame the people that are turned into slaves and especially their leaders. Maybe instead of trying to make people feel bad about themselves we should tell the weak to grow some balls.

Slavery in Africa

 

[Infohawk]

I blame the people that are turned into slaves and especially their leaders. Maybe instead of trying to make people feel bad about themselves we should tell the weak to grow some balls.

So might makes right?

 

[Dari]

So might makes right?

Of course. Always has always will. We're no different from the animal world. The weak get killed. Then you're left with the strongest. That forces their natural enemies to become stronger and the cycle continues until you have highly efficient predators and preys. This is progress. In our civilization you have companies and countries competing. This is healthy and good. The weak die and the strong prosper. That's how it should be.

 

[Infohawk]

Of course. Always has always will. We're no different from the animal world. The weak get killed. Then you're left with the strongest. That forces their natural enemies to become stronger and the cycle continues until you have highly efficient predators and preys. This is progress. In our civilization you have companies and countries competing. This is healthy and good. The weak die and the strong prosper. That's how it should be.

So if someone rapes and tortures your family and your family wasn't strong enough to stop them, it's all good? Should we even punish those kinds of crimes or should we cut to the chase and hold thunderdome-style competitions to weed the weak people out?

 

[Dari]

So if someone rapes and tortures your family and your family wasn't strong enough to stop them, it's all good? Should we even punish those kinds of crimes or should we cut to the chase and hold thunderdome-style competitions to weed the weak people out?

That is between two groups living under a legal system. The comparison is false. But, even so, if I failed to prevent that from happening then it's totally my failt. Absolutely. I am 100% to blame.

 

[CitizenKain]

Soldiers are soldiers and deserve more than this. It's always the weak trying to bring down the strong.
If you want to change this culture then you never appreciated us and the sacrifice we've had to make to make the greatest nation on earth.

No they don't. If they commit a war crime the best thing they deserve is be treated like the fucking cowards they are and to be publicly shamed for the rest of their life, along with everyone who let them do it.
What sacrifice have you made where us civilians should worship the ground you walk on? Nothing, you haven't, nor will ever sacrifice a fucking thing. Funny that I always see this garbage from a desk jockey. Imagine that, a family history of desk jockeys speaking about sacrifice.

 

[evident]

OP are you japanese nationalist? That's the only way I can fathom how much of an idiot douchebag* you are.

*not that japanese are idiot douchebags, only when it comes to their own history due to their schools glossing over their wartime events. and even then many japanese come to realize what their government hides from them

 

[Dari]

No they don't. If they commit a war crime the best thing they deserve is be treated like the fucking cowards they are and to be publicly shamed for the rest of their life, along with everyone who let them do it.
What sacrifice have you made where us civilians should worship the ground you walk on? Nothing, you haven't, nor will ever sacrifice a fucking thing. Funny that I always see this garbage from a desk jockey. Imagine that, a family history of desk jockeys speaking about sacrifice.

Well, you just have to look at my past posts...

 

[dawheat]

Of course. Always has always will. We're no different from the animal world. The weak get killed. Then you're left with the strongest. That forces their natural enemies to become stronger and the cycle continues until you have highly efficient predators and preys. This is progress. In our civilization you have companies and countries competing. This is healthy and good. The weak die and the strong prosper. That's how it should be.

I honestly hope there doesn't come a day you don't rue those words. With China ascendant in Asia and only growing over time, in 20, 40, 60 years, isn't not impossible that Japan finds itself under the Chinese boot.

Sooner than later, Japan won't have the ability to repel a conventional Chinese attack, much less a nuclear one, without American protection.

 

[Nemesis 1]

So many here are shameless.War is ugly no matter what the brutality. Its like some blacks today blaming all whites today for the past that we had no part in. I don't need to learn about such things. I could careless that another man wants to inslave another. ANy imtelligent person knows you can not enslave another. Any intelligent person knows that anothers sins are not sharred. UNless the taxes you pay go to do evil upon man and all living beings. This is why scripture requires you to take back by WHAT EVER MEANS . 2x what you contribute to the Beast. Funny thing about this truth. The poor take back way more than they give by 100x . Lets see how that turns out . LOL. Japan is brutal in its history undenyable fact . Let me remind you . I foretold the tradegy in todays Japan I told you all they would be the First NATION of Power to be judged. These people were choosen because of their brutality and their blindless support to evil men . The Japaness people as a Whole are the most honorable people who have ever lived . In their own manner in their nature they have been true. This is why they were First . No nation on earth would have responded like the they did . They are an example to you as to how you should react to coming events . I can tell you now that no other nation will be as civil as these people were. You people want so much to judge . But when judgement comes to you. You shall fail. Japan is over they live the slow death their punishment was harsh.

 

[Svnla]

I honestly hope there doesn't come a day you don't rue those words. With China ascendant in Asia and only growing over time, in 20, 40, 60 years, isn't not impossible that Japan finds itself under the Chinese boot.

Sooner than later, Japan won't have the ability to repel a conventional Chinese attack, much less a nuclear one, without American protection.

This (the bolded and underlined part).

China is beating the war drum loudy and more aggressive every day. It is claiming the whole South of China Sea as its own and attacking unarmed fishermen from smaller neighbors. It is ignoring international rules and norms.

Tense situation indeed.

 

[Nintendesert]

So many here are shameless.War is ugly no matter what the brutality. Its like some blacks today blaming all whites today for the past that we had no part in. I don't need to learn about such things. I could careless that another man wants to inslave another. ANy imtelligent person knows you can not enslave another. Any intelligent person knows that anothers sins are not sharred. UNless the taxes you pay go to do evil upon man and all living beings. This is why scripture requires you to take back by WHAT EVER MEANS . 2x what you contribute to the Beast. Funny thing about this truth. The poor take back way more than they give by 100x . Lets see how that turns out . LOL. Japan is brutal in its history undenyable fact . Let me remind you . I foretold the tradegy in todays Japan I told you all they would be the First NATION of Power to be judged. These people were choosen because of their brutality and their blindless support to evil men . The Japaness people as a Whole are the most honorable people who have ever lived . In their own manner in their nature they have been true. This is why they were First . No nation on earth would have responded like the they did . They are an example to you as to how you should react to coming events . I can tell you now that no other nation will be as civil as these people were. You people want so much to judge . But when judgement comes to you. You shall fail. Japan is over they live the slow death their punishment was harsh.

I honestly never have any idea what you're trying to say. It's just like a big wall of text critting me in the eye with a high dose of rambling. D:

 

[Dari]

I honestly hope there doesn't come a day you don't rue those words. With China ascendant in Asia and only growing over time, in 20, 40, 60 years, isn't not impossible that Japan finds itself under the Chinese boot.

Sooner than later, Japan won't have the ability to repel a conventional Chinese attack, much less a nuclear one, without American protection.

So? If they have to fight they will fight to preserve their civilization and dignity. What China (or any other power) does is not important. What's important is the response.

 

[Dari]

This (the bolded and underlined part).

China is beating the war drum loudy and more aggressive every day. It is claiming the whole South of China Sea as its own and attacking unarmed fishermen from smaller neighbors. It is ignoring international rules and norms.

Tense situation indeed.

They are doing it for their domestic audience and to win land without firing a single shot. It's an intelligent move but can easily bring about a crisis when one of the other nations buck and actually tries to fight back. Right now, China cannot win a naval war against America or even Japan. They will see how far they can push but won't risk a war. This is especially true considering their hold to power in China is not guaranteed.

 

[Svnla]

They are doing it for their domestic audience and to win land without firing a single shot. It's an intelligent move but can easily bring about a crisis when one of the other nations buck and actually tries to fight back. Right now, China cannot win a naval war against America or even Japan. They will see how far they can push but won't risk a war. This is especially true considering their hold to power in China is not guaranteed.

Nice try to spin. Not a single shot? In 1974, China attacked, murdered Vietnamese sailors, and took Paracel Islands from Vietnam. In 1988, China attacked unarmed supply ship and took part of Spratlys from Vietnam. China is pushing around Phillipines right now at Scarborough Shoal (well withint the 200 miles EEZ of Phillipines as international standard). China is attacking, detainning, and demanding ransome money from poor and unarmed fishermen from the neighbors. China is planing to explore oil/gas right off the coast of Vietnam and Phillipines, ignoring all international rules and norms.

Yet China is so scared of Russia, the same one that attacked, killed scores of Chinese, and took huge swap of land at the Amur River from China. I wonder why China is not acting bad ass toward Russia? Not a beep. Typical of bully.

Please learn a history lesson or two.

China is behaving just like Nazi Germany in the 30's, pushing around and trying to swallow smaller neighbors. Other nations such as France and UK looked away and let Nazi Germany did what they did. We all know what happend.

IIRC, several nations have disputes in the South of China Sea such as Phillipines, Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Brunei, Malaysia, but ONLY China is the one that attacked others and the most aggresive/bullying. And that is how you called "intelligent move"? LOL

Those that ignore history shall doom to repeat it - George S.

 

[werepossum]

Define "eternal apology." It's not a big deal to teach students about past atrocities at some point in time. It's not like anyone is forcing them to have a moment of silence every day. The first and most important step is acknowledgment.

Exactly. No need for eternal apologies, but each nation needs to acknowledge its own atrocities when it teaches its children history. Teaching the "atrocities" of atomic bombing without also teaching the true atrocities such as the Rape of Nanjing gives rise to a generation of Japanese children who feel like victims and cannot recognize other nations' atrocities (and other acts of war) in a rational perspective.

No real threat? TO whom? They blockaded Japan, starving her of oil. They took the best land for themselves, leaving nothing for the natives. Colonialism is colonialism, no matter how you try to make it look.

The Western powers refused to sell Japan oil because she was invading and subjugating her neighbors. There is simply no way one can honestly condemn that except by asserting that the Japanese are the master race and therefore entitled to special treatment. From a humanitarian standpoint, one does not with a clear conscience sell materiel to assist a nation in invading, enslaving, and wholesale murdering other, weaker nations. If you believe that might equals right, stronger nations were denying a weaker nation the ability to grow strong enough to pose a threat to themselves. Any way you look at that, Japan loses. Same with Pearl Harbor - without which there would have been no war with Imperial Japan - that a nation will not assist you in invading, enslaving, and wholesale murdering other, weaker nations grants you no rights to attack a nation with which you are at peace without first presenting a declaration of war.

Yes, colonialism is an evil thing. Japan too was engaging in colonialism, but much more savagely than did any Western power in the twentieth century.

 

[TerryMathews]

ROFL Japanese and North Koreans spied together during the 80s on South Korea? Why on EARTH would Japan even care about South Korea during the 80s, let alone work with North Korea, which was a sworn enemy of Japan??? South Korea had the same GDP as Botswana in the early 80s, had 40,000 US troops stationed there, it was as much a threat to Japan as a gnat is to a bull. Please stop posting drivel like that and even trying to remotely pass it off as fact. "i was stationed in Korea" yea who gives a crap? i passed through Paris for 2 days on a stopover and can hardly claim to be an expert on anything. Americans stationed in Korea hardly EVER mingle with locals, heck there are people who never even left the Yongsan base area & its 2012, its that pathetic! I imagine in the early 80s it was even worse, so don't pretend you know anything about Korea cause you were stationed there!






Japanese don't say "comfort women" since that is an entirely English phrase. This euphemism was created in the English language, hence English speakers created it. you're blaming the Japanese for OUR language use? WE choose not to say sex slaves and use the more sensitive phrase "comfort women", don't blame the Japanese for our sensitivies as well.

And with your logic we can say the Atom bomb should be renamed to "Bomb of utter destruction and annihilation" as it would be more descriptive of what it is, and gun should be renamed to "instrument of death" as that's more reflective too. Lets call all things for what they are!! *end sarcasm*

You're an idiot. The kanji literally means "military comfort women".

 

[Dari]

Nice try to spin. Not a single shot? In 1974, China attacked, murdered Vietnamese sailors, and took Paracel Islands from Vietnam. In 1988, China attacked unarmed supply ship and took part of Spratlys from Vietnam. China is pushing around Phillipines right now at Scarborough Shoal (well withint the 200 miles EEZ of Phillipines as international standard). China is attacking, detainning, and demanding ransome money from poor and unarmed fishermen from the neighbors. China is planing to explore oil/gas right off the coast of Vietnam and Phillipines, ignoring all international rules and norms.

Yet China is so scared of Russia, the same one that attacked and took huge land at the Amur River from China. I wonder why China is not acting bad ass toward Russia? Typical of bully.

Please learn a history lesson or two.

China is behaving just like Nazi Germany in the 30's, pushing around and trying to swallow smaller neighbors. Other nations such as France and UK looked away and let Nazi Germany did what they did. We all know what happend.

IIRC, several nations have disputes in the South of China Sea such as Phillipines, Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Brunei, Malaysia, but ONLY China is the one that attacked others and the most aggresive/bullying.

Those that ignore history shall doom to repeat it - George S.

Vietnam is an ally of America today. In the 1970s they were alone because they just fought a brutal war with us. As for Scarborough the Chinese could not back down for fear of their domestic audience but they're going to have to leave that shoal. We just had a war game there a couple of months ago. They are trying to push to see what they can get.

 

[Dari]

Exactly. No need for eternal apologies, but each nation needs to acknowledge its own atrocities when it teaches its children history. Teaching the "atrocities" of atomic bombing without also teaching the true atrocities such as the Rape of Nanjing gives rise to a generation of Japanese children who feel like victims and cannot recognize other nations' atrocities (and other acts of war) in a rational perspective.


The Western powers refused to sell Japan oil because she was invading and subjugating her neighbors. There is simply no way one can honestly condemn that except by asserting that the Japanese are the master race and therefore entitled to special treatment. From a humanitarian standpoint, one does not with a clear conscience sell materiel to assist a nation in invading, enslaving, and wholesale murdering other, weaker nations. If you believe that might equals right, stronger nations were denying a weaker nation the ability to grow strong enough to pose a threat to themselves. Any way you look at that, Japan loses. Same with Pearl Harbor - without which there would have been no war with Imperial Japan - that a nation will not assist you in invading, enslaving, and wholesale murdering other, weaker nations grants you no rights to attack a nation with which you are at peace without first presenting a declaration of war.

Yes, colonialism is an evil thing. Japan too was engaging in colonialism, but much more savagely than did any Western power in the twentieth century.

Are you fucking serious? Invading and subjugating its neighbors? What? With the exception of Korea and Russia, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE conquests were the colony of a Western power. Japan took from the West what the West took from the natives. Don't try to pretend that the West was looking out for the interests of the natives when they only cared for themselves. When Japan left the Western nations promptly came back but sometimes things did not go according to plan (see Vietnam)...

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Philippines were autonomous after the Spanish American war and had full independence 10 year before the Japanese showed up.

They may have been colonies of Western powers but they were not anyway like the western nations.
Many were colonies in name only.