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Comey opening statement posted, now with in person testimony

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I see two possibilities on why Trump is neglecting his duty and leaving his country open to Russia continuing to control a portion of the American electorate. 1: He knows and was involved in their interference. 2: The reality of the interference is too much for his fragile ego and weak personality to handle. It diminishes the election win he carries on about endlessly, in that it attributes a portion of his win to Russia's influence having swung some voters in his favour. In the face of this he shuts down and pretends it's not real because his ego cannot handle knowing it, or the thought of others knowing it. He puts his ego before his country, when he is the President.

I'm more inclined to believe it's number two. Trump is a simpleton and predictable, he doesn't do a good job at containing his emotions and it shows a pattern of his weaknesses.

It seems reasonable that there may have been collusion and it will likely come out if it's there. I'm more inclined to believe it was people involved in the campaign, close to him, who had their future goals reliant on his success. The people involved in his campaign who had those close to ties to Russian intelligence and government officials. Trump may have some sense of the smell of it, but I doubt any direct orchestration on his part, he's just not sharp enough for that sort of effort. Look how easily he gets outplayed time and again by Russia, other foreign leaders, Comey etc. One thing I expected to see after he won is exactly this, the scrutiny placed on his office revealing just how ineffectual and out of his element Trump is in a job of such complexity and responsibility. Someone with sharp intelligence and finesse would have been able to remove Comey without the ensuing shitshow Trump brought on himself. I'm not surprised he admires Putin, because Putin is as corrupt and as much a sociopath as Trump, but is also intelligent and adept at manipulating high order machinations to further his ends. Trump's only useful skill is standing up at rallies and getting his fanatical base all charged up with rhetoric, he falls flat when it comes to doing his job. My guess if there is collusion, is that it's Flynn, Manafort & Page - possibly Kushner - who are the prime suspects.
 
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In some ways, I'd say you're right. The general public learned nothing new from Comey's testimony today. However, maybe...Just maybe... Trump's most ardent supporters decrying the "false MSM Russia story" can step back and piece together that everything that's been reported to date has been pretty spot on. Perhaps they gain some trust in the Fourth Estate and can learn not to dismiss everything reported in the mainstream press outright.

Similarly, people should learn that as news is being reported, the graphics guys doing the chyrons on the bottom are bound to make mistakes. Exhibit A: CNN reporting that Sessions asked to call investigation a "matter" and not investigation...Any idiot with a brain cell watching live would know Comey was talking about Lynch and not Sessions. This is not fake news...This is some guy being told what to type getting the wrong direction from a producer. CNN corrected it within minutes.

Is Comey a "grand-stander"? Without a doubt. Did he walk a fine line on why he didn't immediately think President Trump's "directive" was obstruction? Sure...bottom line he's going to protect his reputation and the reputation of the FBI.

But who is more credible, Comey or Trump? I hope the American public can actually weigh the facts and come to and informed conclusion to this question.
 
If the Left is allowed to bring about their anti-american agenda, it will be a lot. They can't wait to tax the working class to death so they can trickle down the money so every SJW can get their free Liberal Arts or Pol Sci degrees at $100k per head. Those gated compounds that the lefty elites hide in don't come cheap. I bet Elizabeth Warren felt so terrible after collecting a 1%er income from Harvard and her consecutive federal appointments.
Don't worry Brandon we're going to get you the help you need in 2020. 😉
 
In some ways, I'd say you're right. The general public learned nothing new from Comey's testimony today. However, maybe...Just maybe... Trump's most ardent supporters decrying the "false MSM Russia story" can step back and piece together that everything that's been reported to date has been pretty spot on. Perhaps they gain some trust in the Fourth Estate and can learn not to dismiss everything reported in the mainstream press outright.

Similarly, people should learn that as news is being reported, the graphics guys doing the chyrons on the bottom are bound to make mistakes. Exhibit A: CNN reporting that Sessions asked to call investigation a "matter" and not investigation...Any idiot with a brain cell watching live would know Comey was talking about Lynch and not Sessions. This is not fake news...This is some guy being told what to type getting the wrong direction from a producer. CNN corrected it within minutes.

Is Comey a "grand-stander"? Without a doubt. Did he walk a fine line on why he didn't immediately think President Trump's "directive" was obstruction? Sure...bottom line he's going to protect his reputation and the reputation of the FBI.

But who is more credible, Comey or Trump? I hope the American public can actually weigh the facts and come to and informed conclusion to this question.

I mean having allegations of activity that could very well lead to obstruction of justice charges stated under oath as opposed to anonymously sourced articles is a pretty huge deal. Now we're going to see direct congressional investigation of Trump himself and I imagine he's in the crosshairs of the special prosecutor now as well.

That's a pretty huge deal. The constant attempts to label that as 'nothing' are frankly obvious signs of wishful thinking and desperation.
 
But who is more credible, Comey or Trump? I hope the American public can actually weigh the facts and come to and informed conclusion to this question.

The general public already failed one sniff test against Trump. I have little faith it'll change now. People are too planted in their partisan roots to change.
 
Is Comey a "grand-stander"? Without a doubt.
I've seen this a few times, and unless people are primarily referencing his past or something, I disagree. Watching him in this hearing he seemed very specific, very detailed, and answered what he was ask, sometimes adding detail into what he felt was appropriate. He was hardly bombastic or grandstanding by any measurable method.
 
Trump's personal lawyer has a bizarre statement out that simultaneously calls Comey a liar, asserts that he violated privilege/illegally leaked information, and cites his statements confirming that the president was not under investigation as vindicating.

Fucking crazytown.
 
Trump's personal lawyer has a bizarre statement out that simultaneously calls Comey a liar, asserts that he violated privilege/illegally leaked information, and cites his statements confirming that the president was not under investigation as vindicating.

Fucking crazytown.
Yep, seems to be trying to grasp on to whatever handholds are left to keep the man from roasting. Saw the same from a few of the R's on that committee.
 
They need to call Coats and Rogers back to congress and compel them to say if Trump asked them to interfere. Should they refuse without legal grounds a charge of contempt should be put forth.
 
Hahaha, we ALL called this one from you. Thanks for not disappointing!

Nothing to see here guys, the former head of the FBI just came out and said that the President of the United States directed him to drop an investigation into his national security adviser's lies to the FBI about his involvement with a hostile foreign power. He also said the president lied repeatedly about the nature of their interactions and that he was fired due to his refusal to drop the Russia investigation.

Nothing to see at all!

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Do you really think Trump will be indicted for obstruction of justice based on the Flynn comment he made to Comey?
 
It's all very disturbing and it all indicated that Trump is what we all thought he was (a Russian stooge) but Comey refuses to cast any judgment on Trump's actions. Sound and Fury as usual.



And I didn't say the hearing should stop. It serves a purpose to have Comey up there if only to hold Trump's feet to the fire. If Comey could spend the rest of his life at that desk answering questions it would please me greatly even if it never got Trump impeached.


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Do you really think Trump will be indicted for obstruction of justice based on the Flynn comment to Comey?

No because people like you and those you support don't give a fuck about the country and care more about a politician's whose career is over.

Party before country, right, traitor?
 
Do you really think Trump will be indicted for obstruction of justice based on the Flynn comment to Comey?
I think he'll be indicted for obstruction of justice based on a series of events, not one specific one. It's a trend pointing more and more toward Trump wishing this 'whole russia thing' will just go away, and his intent to make that happen. And if it won't happen with one FBI director, he's going to find someone who will make it happen. This wouldn't be uncommon in the business sector.
 
I understand McCain might like to partisan his questions but correct me if I'm wrong... He wasn't making any sense was he? I was trying like hell to follow his line of thought but I couldn't figure out even the essence of what he was trying to get at. I am completely open to someone offering up an explanation of what McCain seemed to think he was getting at???

What McCain tried to do was connect the Clinton campaign to the Russians as hypothetically there may have been some contact. Unfortunately there's no such hint of a thing and McCain was so confused he used a closed investigation which had nothing to do with Russian interference to show hypocrisy.

He didn't bother me and I felt great pity for him as I would any other person beset with dementia.
 
What McCain tried to do was connect the Clinton campaign to the Russians as hypothetically there may have been some contact. Unfortunately there's no such hint of a thing and McCain was so confused he used a closed investigation which had nothing to do with Russian interference to show hypocrisy.

He didn't bother me and I felt great pity for him as I would any other person beset with dementia.
I'm sure some site is already prepping the story for 'McCain grills Comey on Democratic favoritism; Hillary complicit in Russian Hacking?'.
 
Do you really think Trump will be indicted for obstruction of justice based on the Flynn comment to Comey?

Nope, the president actually being indicted might not even be legal after all. Do I now expect the investigation to mushroom into additional congressional investigations and additional inquiries from the special prosecutor into Trump himself which could eventually lead to impeachment? Absolutely.

In the end it's primarily a political question of how bad the stench has to get before either congressional Republicans feel compelled to act or Democrats take one of the houses of Congress back, but this is absolutely huge stuff. The fired director of the FBI for all intents and purposes outlined activity that could be reasonably construed as criminal by the President to Congress, under oath. That's about as big a 'burger' as you will ever see before a congressional committee.

Again, think about the sequence of events here:
1) Trump asks for loyalty from Comey.
2) Trump asks Comey to stop investigating one of his surrogates.
3) Comey refuses Trump's request
4) Trump fires him and admits he did it because of his investigation.

That's awfully obstruction-of-justice-y, wouldn't you say? That's now all in the record, under oath. That's really, REALLY bad. If you ever had ANY concern about abuse of federal power by Obama this is exponentially worse.
 
I think he'll be indicted for obstruction of justice based on a series of events, not one specific one. It's a trend pointing more and more toward Trump wishing this 'whole russia thing' will just go away, and his intent to make that happen. And if it won't happen with one FBI director, he's going to find someone who will make it happen. This wouldn't be uncommon in the business sector.
Thanks for effectively admitting that Comey's perception of intent means nothing meaningful in and of itself regarding legitimate grounds for indictment. Do you know of any other evidence of possible obstruction...or is this just wishful thing?
 
Yep, this will put added pressure on finding out from Coats/Rogers if they were asked to push Comey. Whether it's from the committee(s) or from Mueller. Then it's outside the realm of he said - he said.
 
I really wish Comey answered McCain more directly, i.e.:
Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server had no connection whatsoever to Russian interference with our election. We concluded that criminal charges against her were not appropriate in regards to using a private email server. To my knowledge, no single person has been guaranteed any protection from any charges that might stem from the completely separate investigation into the Russian counter-intelligence investigation. Since it was ongoing when I left the FBI, I cannot comment as to any evidence against any persons involved in this investigation in an open setting.​

Comey becomes more impressive every time I see him. Every person at the hearing understood what was happening with McCain and that the two issues were not connected. As such there was really nothing to be gained from Comey going further and I heard compassion for a man who served his country but now suffers, even though McCain may not realize it.

IMO if there is nothing to be gained then compassion is the correct choice.
 
Thanks for effectively admitting that Comey's perception of intent means nothing meaningful in and of itself regarding legitimate grounds for indictment. Do you know of any other evidence of possible obstruction...or is this just wishful thing?
You need to be careful with that. Perception of intent may not be an indictable offense, but it can still lead to an investigation and it can still hang Trump in the end. If overwhelming evidence points to his intent being one thing, trump saying 'I didn't mean that' won't hold water.
 
No because people like you and those you support don't give a fuck about the country and care more about a politician's whose career is over.

Party before country, right, traitor?

I don't think Trump did the right thing, in fact the opposite. You know I have no love for that man. Nevertheless in a proceeding Comey's testimony alone should not be sufficient grounds for a successful prosecution. If the standard is lowered for Trump it is for us all.
 
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