Comcast 250gb per Month Cap

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: toonces
I :heart: my 100/10mbps connection
¥4,580


(no caps)

:beer: *ENVY*

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: tw1164
OP, If you're moving anything close to 250gb/m, they don't want you as a customer. Your threats of leaving don't mean shit.

That's the truth of it. They will be happy to lose your business.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: DefDC

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: DefDC
I don't Torrent or fileshare. But I do have a Giganews subscription that I enjoy.

I have to laugh at this! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Let's paraphrase those sentences:
"I don't pirate illegal content through torrents or filesharing. But I do pirate illegal content through newsgroups, which somehow makes it okay."

Laugh all you want. There's a huge BANDWIDTH difference between torrents and Usenet. That's what this conversation is about... Thanks for playing though...

So you are, in fact, using newsgroups for downloading illegal materials?

= nobody gives a shit what you have to say anyway

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: DefDC

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: DefDC
I don't Torrent or fileshare. But I do have a Giganews subscription that I enjoy.

I have to laugh at this! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Let's paraphrase those sentences:
"I don't pirate illegal content through torrents or filesharing. But I do pirate illegal content through newsgroups, which somehow makes it okay."

Laugh all you want. There's a huge BANDWIDTH difference between torrents and Usenet. That's what this conversation is about... Thanks for playing though...

I'll reword what you just wrote :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
"Comcast should be damn grateful I'm pirating MASSIVE amounts of illegal content through usenet."

Grow up. :roll:

 

[DrPizza]

I still can't even comprehend what the pirates who download so much stuff are actually doing with it. They're simply hoarders - no different than the little old lady who has 80 cats in her house. You can't seriously be watching all of those downloaded movies & listening to all of the downloaded songs.

Anyway, I think comcast simply could see the future - with more video on demand, and now HD, I think they're being proactive before their networks are completely fubared. Go with their stats for a moment - the average person is using just a few GB a month. Can you imagine what would happen if the primary medium to watch HD videos was through their network, as more and more people buy HD televisions? Those who think they're not investing in upgrading their lines - do you even think that they could keep up if total bandwidth went up 10-fold in 5 years?

And, if there's no competition - what's forcing them to upgrade their networks? Why should they? They exist to make a profit. If someone could move into their area and offer a better service for less money, then someone would. Think about it - look at people like me who have no options for broadband - I live on the edge of a very small town; population ~200. There's absolutely no way anyone could run lines here and make a profit unless those lines were subsidized by the gov't. I don't blame the ISP's one bit for not investing in this area - they'd lose money. And, I don't blame them one bit for wanting to continue to provide services for people who abuse their networks.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Why should they upgrade in markets with no competition? So that they don't get caught with their pants down when some DOES come in and leapfrogs them technologically. It only makes sense from a business standpoint to roll out your network into places with the weakest competition.
Take my current situation, I'm still on Comcrap for another 2 months (part of the tail end of a 6 month special offer and even so I'm paying $100 a month no SD tv with no HBO or showtime or anything of the like and 6Mb internet (that in all reality performs closer to 2, maybe 2 and a half). Verizon offers 3 Mb DSL and is what I will be switching to (along with Dish network for my TV services). If Verizon rolled out FIOS here, Comcast would simply not be able to compete at all and Verizon would quickly soak up the overwhelming majority of the customers in the city.
If Comcast actually did offer something competitive, there would be far less to draw Verizon into laying fiber lines in town to gain what would be a smaller slice of the market.
This really is simply Econ101, something it appears Comcast execs failed. Say hello to AOL 2.0

 

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: DefDC

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: DefDC
I don't Torrent or fileshare. But I do have a Giganews subscription that I enjoy.

I have to laugh at this! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Let's paraphrase those sentences:
"I don't pirate illegal content through torrents or filesharing. But I do pirate illegal content through newsgroups, which somehow makes it okay."

Laugh all you want. There's a huge BANDWIDTH difference between torrents and Usenet. That's what this conversation is about... Thanks for playing though...

I'll reword what you just wrote :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
"Comcast should be damn grateful I'm pirating MASSIVE amounts of illegal content through usenet."

Grow up. :roll:

You need to STFU until you know what you're talking about. Did I say I pirate massive amounts on Usenet? I'm bot going to say that I don't indulge a bit. (Oh NOES!!! We know that NO ONE would do that here.)

Read the fucking posts. I stream stuff from home to work, Netflix, and I am a network engineer by trade. I don't like the idea that I now have to monitor my previously unlimited service. Even if I only use HALF of that, now I have to keep tabs. Can I watch all my football games streamed when I work saturdays? Or do I need to keep some of my limited bandwidth for when I have to work at home? Who needs it? BTW, I *AM* looking at business class internet service, but I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO.

I'm trying to make a point about regulated bandwidth and you keep getting off on a piracy tangent which I ALREADY CLARIFIED that I am *NOT* a bandwidth sucking P2Per or anything near a hoarding software/music pirate.

 

[spidey07]

DefDC - you know bandwidth isn't free and you also know you are getting a killer deal for the service you get if you are remotely connected to networking. You also know that you never had an unlimited service.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: spidey07
DefDC - you know bandwidth isn't free and you also know you are getting a killer deal for the service you get if you are remotely connected to networking. You also know that you never had an unlimited service.

Ding ding ding. Some people cant read maybe? If you were going over before, you would have already known.

 

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: spidey07
DefDC - you know bandwidth isn't free and you also know you are getting a killer deal for the service you get if you are remotely connected to networking. You also know that you never had an unlimited service.

Sure I know this. Again, I'm not soaking up as much bandwidth as you think. However, I know that there has had to have been at least a few months that I have exceeded 250gb. Though, probably not by a lot.

I don't think I'm abusing the system. In fact, I think we should be grandfathered in, seeing as we aren't out of control. I certainly don't think my usage is unreasonable.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: DefDC
Anyone use generously uses Netflix or any other streaming site will be using quite a bit. Enjoy adult entertainment? That's a lot, too. I transfer podcasts from home to work, all the time.... I chat, with video, to family just about every night. Many times for hours at a time. It doesn't take that much to surpass 250GB, with any illegal downloading.

If all you do is email, and surf, a $15 DSL connection will work for you. You don't need the speed of cable.

Don't know what kind of bandwidth video chat uses, but Netflix movies are around 2GB each (they stream at 2.2Mbps, approx 1GB/hour). That means you'd have to watch 250 hours worth of video in a month, or about 125 movies assuming two hours per movie. Considering there are 720 hours in a month, that just isn't realistic. Do you know anybody who spends 35% of their day, every day, watching Netflix movies?

I mean, sure, there are ways to hit this cap, but none of it is very likely. I have no life, and there's no way I could (or would even want to) watch that many movies in a month. Even the FCC, who smacked down Comcast for BT throttling, promotes reasonable bandwidth caps as a means of protocol-agnostic network management. For the time being, I'm sure the FCC would agree that 250GB is *very* reasonable. In the future, if 250GB is no longer "reasonable," the FCC will probably encourage or force Comcast to raise it. However, 250GB should accommodate all but the heaviest users (according to Comcast, the top 0.1% of their customers currently exceed 250GB/mo) for many years to come.

throw in some linux distro iso's, all the flash crap, espn360, the crappy myspace pages, youtube, and streaming content.. I could hit 250 gigs easily be not torrenting or downloading illegal stuff.

Im against caps, but why is it when people try to defend them the best they can come up with is downloading linux distros?

 

[PliotronX]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Im against caps, but why is it when people try to defend them the best they can come up with is downloading linux distros?

Keyboard drivers 😀

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: DefDC
Anyone use generously uses Netflix or any other streaming site will be using quite a bit. Enjoy adult entertainment? That's a lot, too. I transfer podcasts from home to work, all the time.... I chat, with video, to family just about every night. Many times for hours at a time. It doesn't take that much to surpass 250GB, with any illegal downloading.

If all you do is email, and surf, a $15 DSL connection will work for you. You don't need the speed of cable.

Don't know what kind of bandwidth video chat uses, but Netflix movies are around 2GB each (they stream at 2.2Mbps, approx 1GB/hour). That means you'd have to watch 250 hours worth of video in a month, or about 125 movies assuming two hours per movie. Considering there are 720 hours in a month, that just isn't realistic. Do you know anybody who spends 35% of their day, every day, watching Netflix movies?

I mean, sure, there are ways to hit this cap, but none of it is very likely. I have no life, and there's no way I could (or would even want to) watch that many movies in a month. Even the FCC, who smacked down Comcast for BT throttling, promotes reasonable bandwidth caps as a means of protocol-agnostic network management. For the time being, I'm sure the FCC would agree that 250GB is *very* reasonable. In the future, if 250GB is no longer "reasonable," the FCC will probably encourage or force Comcast to raise it. However, 250GB should accommodate all but the heaviest users (according to Comcast, the top 0.1% of their customers currently exceed 250GB/mo) for many years to come.

throw in some linux distro iso's, all the flash crap, espn360, the crappy myspace pages, youtube, and streaming content.. I could hit 250 gigs easily be not torrenting or downloading illegal stuff.

Im against caps, but why is it when people try to defend them the best they can come up with is downloading linux distros?

HD video on demand serives through a satellite provider isn't valid? Last time I checked Rocky III had nothing to do with linux 🙂

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Shens. If it was so easy to do, why is it < 1% of people who go over?

Most of these excessive use cases are people who have started their own neighborhood wireless ISP, and actually have three, four, or even more households hammering one account.

I just got into the neighborhood ISP business, myself, but I capped each neighbor at 30GB per month. That would leave me with 130GB per month, which is still generous. I use between 60GB ~ 90GB per month on average, and I'm on the internet eight freaking hours every day and download applications, drivers, user manuals, BIOS updates, and other stuff almost every day.

I agree with others that 250GB per month is actually a generous cap that really tries hard to target only the very worst cases. If you need more than that, you should get a commercial or business account.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Shens. If it was so easy to do, why is it < 1% of people who go over?

Most of these excessive use cases are people who have started their own neighborhood wireless ISP, and actually have three, four, or even more households hammering one account.

I just got into the neighborhood ISP business, myself, but I capped each neighbor at 30GB per month. That would leave me with 130GB per month, which is still generous. I use between 60GB ~ 90GB per month on average, and I'm on the internet eight freaking hours every day and download applications, drivers, user manuals, BIOS updates, and other stuff almost every day.

I agree with others that 250GB per month is actually a generous cap that really tries hard to target only the very worst cases. If you need more than that, you should get a commercial or business account.

You do realize that's against the ToS, right? 😛

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
You do realize that's against the ToS, right? 😛

I know nothing! 😀

 

[BarneyFife]

What happens when you hit 250? Do they terminate you?

 

[Pepsei]

no problem with this as long as they don't cap my torrents.... i trade a lot of ethnic anime.

 

[DefDC]

If you hit your cap, you'll get a "courtesy call". The second time, you get banned for a year.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I still can't even comprehend what the pirates who download so much stuff are actually doing with it. They're simply hoarders - no different than the little old lady who has 80 cats in her house. You can't seriously be watching all of those downloaded movies & listening to all of the downloaded songs.

You'd be surprised how much I can download and still use. What if I want Microsoft Office? That's about 600MB(Not counting upload) and I only use that rarely. Then say I want to download full DVD rips because I like the quality. Those two hour movies are now 4GBs instead of two. There are games such as GRID too, what if I download the game and then play it for a few hours and find it is just not what I thought it was?

ATM: I am downloading all three seasons of arrested development that DVD ISOs. That's about 35GBs. Downloading all star wars movies in 1080P, that's about 48GBs. To you it may seem unreasonable, but some of us do want to watch some things in HIGHER QUALITY. Why else would there be high-definition movies? Also, there are television shows. They can be 45 minutes long but 1.10GBs. (720P) Shows such as LOST, which I adore I'll download in the regular format, 350MB, and then later download in the HD format because of time. (Because I love to talk to my friends about LOST after we see it each night)

Anyway, I don't just horde all my stuff, I do consume it. Sometimes slowly, and that's because it is a lot. I still have to listen to 7.2 days worth of music. (16.96GB, 2530 songs) Which I DO but slowly because I can't always be listening to music while I watch a movie or play SOME games. (Although when I normally game I listen to a podcast or music... I can play games really well and still concentrate on a podcast; I enjoy that)

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[StageLeft]

This is reasonable, just as we pay more to use more cell limits. You'd have to be dling gobs of movies and warez to shoot past it and the high bandwidth people who complain are looking to others to subsidize them, since the costs have to go somewhere.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is reasonable, just as we pay more to use more cell limits. You'd have to be dling gobs of movies and warez to shoot past it and the high bandwidth people who complain are looking to others to subsidize them, since the costs have to go somewhere.

Yeah, but they plan to keep this cap for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is advertised as UNLIMITED SERVICE. If it said, "Limited service" I wouldn't get it, would I?

 

[JEDI]

lol.. 250gb/month?!

how much freaking porn are people d/l per day for them to cap it at 250gb/month!?!?! :Q

i dont think i've even d/l 250meg of porn lifetime.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is reasonable, just as we pay more to use more cell limits. You'd have to be dling gobs of movies and warez to shoot past it and the high bandwidth people who complain are looking to others to subsidize them, since the costs have to go somewhere.

Yeah, but they plan to keep this cap for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is advertised as UNLIMITED SERVICE. If it said, "Limited service" I wouldn't get it, would I?

It's not advertised as unlimited anymore.

 

[Kelemvor]

I have no problem with them setting a limit as long as it's a pretty damn high limit. Also they need to have a way that you can log onto a site at any time to see what you're currently at and they need to have some sort of pricing where each additional XX gigs cost $X.XX kind of like a cell phone plan.

I'm sure they looked at all their customer's usage and picked something that most people would be under. If you're over that amount, then you probably should be paying more than everyone else.

And of course then the "Stop pirating and you'll be under the limit" argument comes in as well.. heh heh.