But I do have a Giganews subscription that I enjoy
Is this mean you pay to be part of a new group to download copyrighted material?
But I do have a Giganews subscription that I enjoy
Originally posted by: DefDC
Comcast has now announced that their digital phone and TV service has been capped at 100 calls and 200 TV shows per month. This is more than anyone can or should be using. If they're using more than that, they're in the top 1%, which is unacceptable. Was it ever really advertised as unlimited?
Again, I'm just saying this is a bad precedent. If you are a heavy user, who DOESN'T fileshare, now you're going to have to monitor your bandwidth.
Originally posted by: Ns1
I think the number of legit uses for >250gb/month are pretty limited.
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
100 calls? You have a link on this?
That seems a bit unreasonable. Also I have no idea why they wouldn't cap by hours, as you could make 100 one minute calls and be using much less than someone who calls ten times a month and talks for 30 minutes each. It just doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Pizza,
Any reason you keep lampooning the points that are so flimsy anyone could see right through them and avoid the more reasonable ones (IPTV, VOD for satellite providers...ect ect)?
Roughly 5 gigs per hour of video (HD)
Cap is gone with 50 viewing hours
An hour an a half of TV a day alone would put you right at the cap before you even bothered to open up itunes/zune store/steam...ect ect....
This is just a move to try to limit the viability of IPTV and try to keep VOD service a cable only feature.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Pizza,
Any reason you keep lampooning the points that are so flimsy anyone could see right through them and avoid the more reasonable ones (IPTV, VOD for satellite providers...ect ect)?
Roughly 5 gigs per hour of video (HD)
Cap is gone with 50 viewing hours
An hour an a half of TV a day alone would put you right at the cap before you even bothered to open up itunes/zune store/steam...ect ect....
This is just a move to try to limit the viability of IPTV and try to keep VOD service a cable only feature.
Agreed. Actually, 5 gigs per hour of video (HD) is probably the exact foresight that the ISP's have when making a decision to cap bandwidth. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that as streaming HD becomes more and more popular, bandwidth requirements will *quickly* outstrip ISP's ability to upgrade, and will certainly lead to losses rather than profits.
Give me one reason why the ISP's should increase capacity simply so people can stream HD videos all they want? Don't forget, ISP's aren't in the business out of the goodness of their hearts - they need to make a profit in order to survive. You think you can provide that kind of bandwidth to the majority of your customers and make a profit? Go for it.
You're forgetting one particular point though: when people order videos on demand through their cable provider (or satellite), they PAY for them, directly to the people providing that service. Are you telling me that the cable provider and satellite providers have ZERO costs associated with providing that service? Or, is some of the cost of providing that service covered in the fee that people pay? Suppose a cable company charges $3.99 for a video on demand... that price includes their cost of providing the video through their service. Sure, for some cheaper movies/shows that may not be watched as much, they may be able to absorb the costs without passing them on. You don't realize that the ISP's who are charging for excess bandwidth beyond the cap (some are) aren't simply recouping their costs at that point - PLUS a profit? (Business exists to make a profit.)
And, quite simply, if you don't like it, switch ISP's. I'm sure the abusers, piraters, etc. are also jumping ship to other ISP's. Thus, it won't be long until they realize, "oh fuck. All of Comcasts abusers just came to our network." And, those ISP's drop the cap as well. The ISP's are constantly upgrading their services; people just need to be realistic in understanding that there are a lot of costs to these upgrades; they can only upgrade so fast, and they still need to maintain a profit.
But, you apparently think it's okay that someone can charge $3.99 for the same content and the ISP's have to absorb the cost of delivering it?
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Give me one reason why the ISP's should increase capacity simply so people can stream HD videos all they want?
You're forgetting one particular point though: when people order videos on demand through their cable provider (or satellite), they PAY for them, directly to the people providing that service.
Are you telling me that the cable provider and satellite providers have ZERO costs associated with providing that service? Or, is some of the cost of providing that service covered in the fee that people pay? Suppose a cable company charges $3.99 for a video on demand... that price includes their cost of providing the video through their service. Sure, for some cheaper movies/shows that may not be watched as much, they may be able to absorb the costs without passing them on. But, you apparently think it's okay that someone can charge $3.99 for the same content and the ISP's have to absorb the cost of delivering it? You don't realize that the ISP's who are charging for excess bandwidth beyond the cap (some are) aren't simply recouping their costs at that point - PLUS a profit? (Business exists to make a profit.)
And, quite simply, if you don't like it, switch ISP's. I'm sure the abusers, piraters, etc. are also jumping ship to other ISP's. Thus, it won't be long until they realize, "oh fuck. All of Comcasts abusers just came to our network." And, those ISP's drop the cap as well. The ISP's are constantly upgrading their services; people just need to be realistic in understanding that there are a lot of costs to these upgrades; they can only upgrade so fast, and they still need to maintain a profit.
And, quite simply, if you don't like it, switch ISP's. I'm sure the abusers, piraters, etc. are also jumping ship to other ISP's. Thus, it won't be long until they realize, "oh fuck. All of Comcasts abusers just came to our network." And, those ISP's drop the cap as well. The ISP's are constantly upgrading their services; people just need to be realistic in understanding that there are a lot of costs to these upgrades; they can only upgrade so fast, and they still need to maintain a profit.
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
But in your eyes I'm just a whiny pirate, so that HAS to be the case right?
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, you are a whiner. If you dont like the cap, dont buy the service. Welcome to how business works.
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, you are a whiner. If you dont like the cap, dont buy the service. Welcome to how business works.
Oh and while I'm at it, I should just drop out of my graduate program too since that would be more convenient. I've already stated I'd be willing to pay for a commercial account but Comcast won't offer them to a residentially zoned area.
Oh and Spidey, just becuase you say it over and over again doesn't make it true, a residential Comcast account is FAR from a steal. I dare you to show some credible sources otherwise. I'm pretty sure $50 per month is far more than the operating cost for even a heavy user like myself. Also, I'm sure Verizon will be quite happy to take my money. I dare you to find where I EVER said bandwidth was free. While we are putting words in each others mouths here I might as well misqoute you for saying that you love to eat babies and worship Satan....
Originally posted by: spidey07
Look you retard. It's apparent that you are a college student. Don't have any clue about the real world. Yes, the medical industry requires tons of bandwidth and imaging.
Here's a clue, that industry pays for it. I know, I build that shit for them, along with manufacturing and the service provider arena.
You are so totally clueless. Why the hell don't you operate your own service provider if you have it all figured out? You're apparently a smart guy who understands supply/demand, have at it.
Oh, and you have no fucking idea how much this stuff costs. Entitlement fucker.
Originally posted by: uhohs
Originally posted by: spidey07
Look you retard.
Oh, and you have no fucking idea how much this stuff costs. Entitlement fucker.
name calling and insults! yay!
this discussion/debate is going places.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, you are a whiner. If you dont like the cap, dont buy the service. Welcome to how business works.
Oh and while I'm at it, I should just drop out of my graduate program too since that would be more convenient. I've already stated I'd be willing to pay for a commercial account but Comcast won't offer them to a residentially zoned area.
Oh and Spidey, just becuase you say it over and over again doesn't make it true, a residential Comcast account is FAR from a steal. I dare you to show some credible sources otherwise. I'm pretty sure $50 per month is far more than the operating cost for even a heavy user like myself. Also, I'm sure Verizon will be quite happy to take my money. I dare you to find where I EVER said bandwidth was free. While we are putting words in each others mouths here I might as well misqoute you for saying that you love to eat babies and worship Satan....
Look you retard. It's apparent that you are a college student. Don't have any clue about the real world. Yes, the medical industry requires tons of bandwidth and imaging.
Here's a clue, that industry pays for it. I know, I build that shit for them, along with manufacturing and the service provider arena.
You are so totally clueless. Why the hell don't you operate your own service provider if you have it all figured out? You're apparently a smart guy who understands supply/demand, have at it.
Oh, and you have no fucking idea how much this stuff costs. Entitlement fucker.
Originally posted by: Renob
But I do have a Giganews subscription that I enjoy
Is this mean you pay to be part of a new group to download copyrighted material?
Why should Comcast invest in the network when it is more than good enough for 99.9% of their customers? You really think they should double their spending just to cater to the 0.1% that demands 100x more bandwidth than their median customer? That's just poor business, it doesn't make any sense at all.Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, you are a whiner. If you dont like the cap, dont buy the service. Welcome to how business works.
Oh and while I'm at it, I should just drop out of my graduate program too since that would be more convenient. I've already stated I'd be willing to pay for a commercial account but Comcast won't offer them to a residentially zoned area.
Oh and Spidey, just becuase you say it over and over again doesn't make it true, a residential Comcast account is FAR from a steal. I dare you to show some credible sources otherwise. I'm pretty sure $50 per month is far more than the operating cost for even a heavy user like myself. Also, I'm sure Verizon will be quite happy to take my money. I dare you to find where I EVER said bandwidth was free. While we are putting words in each others mouths here I might as well misqoute you for saying that you love to eat babies and worship Satan....
Look you retard. It's apparent that you are a college student. Don't have any clue about the real world. Yes, the medical industry requires tons of bandwidth and imaging.
Here's a clue, that industry pays for it. I know, I build that shit for them, along with manufacturing and the service provider arena.
You are so totally clueless. Why the hell don't you operate your own service provider if you have it all figured out? You're apparently a smart guy who understands supply/demand, have at it.
Oh, and you have no fucking idea how much this stuff costs. Entitlement fucker.
And that my friend is why you have 0 credibility.
Go look up some finical information.
Last quarter Comcast pulled a profit of 18 million dollars while spending 6 million on maintenance/upkeep while having a 56% growth in free cash.
They could easily afford to double their spending and still record huge profits.
Note, that is PROFITS not revenue.
Your point is now utterly moot and welcome to the 5th grade.
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Why should Comcast invest in the network when it is adequate for 99.9% of their customers?Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, you are a whiner. If you dont like the cap, dont buy the service. Welcome to how business works.
Oh and while I'm at it, I should just drop out of my graduate program too since that would be more convenient. I've already stated I'd be willing to pay for a commercial account but Comcast won't offer them to a residentially zoned area.
Oh and Spidey, just becuase you say it over and over again doesn't make it true, a residential Comcast account is FAR from a steal. I dare you to show some credible sources otherwise. I'm pretty sure $50 per month is far more than the operating cost for even a heavy user like myself. Also, I'm sure Verizon will be quite happy to take my money. I dare you to find where I EVER said bandwidth was free. While we are putting words in each others mouths here I might as well misqoute you for saying that you love to eat babies and worship Satan....
Look you retard. It's apparent that you are a college student. Don't have any clue about the real world. Yes, the medical industry requires tons of bandwidth and imaging.
Here's a clue, that industry pays for it. I know, I build that shit for them, along with manufacturing and the service provider arena.
You are so totally clueless. Why the hell don't you operate your own service provider if you have it all figured out? You're apparently a smart guy who understands supply/demand, have at it.
Oh, and you have no fucking idea how much this stuff costs. Entitlement fucker.
And that my friend is why you have 0 credibility.
Go look up some finical information.
Last quarter Comcast pulled a profit of 18 million dollars while spending 6 million on maintenance/upkeep while having a 56% growth in free cash.
They could easily afford to double their spending and still record huge profits.
Note, that is PROFITS not revenue.
Your point is now utterly moot and welcome to the 5th grade.
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Why should Comcast invest in the network when it is more than good enough for 99.9% of their customers? You really think they should double their spending just to cater to the 0.1% that demands 100x more bandwidth than their median customer? That's just poor business, it doesn't make any sense at all.Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, you are a whiner. If you dont like the cap, dont buy the service. Welcome to how business works.
Oh and while I'm at it, I should just drop out of my graduate program too since that would be more convenient. I've already stated I'd be willing to pay for a commercial account but Comcast won't offer them to a residentially zoned area.
Oh and Spidey, just becuase you say it over and over again doesn't make it true, a residential Comcast account is FAR from a steal. I dare you to show some credible sources otherwise. I'm pretty sure $50 per month is far more than the operating cost for even a heavy user like myself. Also, I'm sure Verizon will be quite happy to take my money. I dare you to find where I EVER said bandwidth was free. While we are putting words in each others mouths here I might as well misqoute you for saying that you love to eat babies and worship Satan....
Look you retard. It's apparent that you are a college student. Don't have any clue about the real world. Yes, the medical industry requires tons of bandwidth and imaging.
Here's a clue, that industry pays for it. I know, I build that shit for them, along with manufacturing and the service provider arena.
You are so totally clueless. Why the hell don't you operate your own service provider if you have it all figured out? You're apparently a smart guy who understands supply/demand, have at it.
Oh, and you have no fucking idea how much this stuff costs. Entitlement fucker.
And that my friend is why you have 0 credibility.
Go look up some finical information.
Last quarter Comcast pulled a profit of 18 million dollars while spending 6 million on maintenance/upkeep while having a 56% growth in free cash.
They could easily afford to double their spending and still record huge profits.
Note, that is PROFITS not revenue.
Your point is now utterly moot and welcome to the 5th grade.
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
There are always options. T1 for a few grand a month, or you can probably get an OC3 for $20-30k/month.![]()
I actually posted about this earlier in the thread, Comcast is implementing a system almost exactly like that.Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Why should Comcast invest in the network when it is more than good enough for 99.9% of their customers? You really think they should double their spending just to cater to the 0.1% that demands 100x more bandwidth than their median customer? That's just poor business, it doesn't make any sense at all.Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yes, you are a whiner. If you dont like the cap, dont buy the service. Welcome to how business works.
Oh and while I'm at it, I should just drop out of my graduate program too since that would be more convenient. I've already stated I'd be willing to pay for a commercial account but Comcast won't offer them to a residentially zoned area.
Oh and Spidey, just becuase you say it over and over again doesn't make it true, a residential Comcast account is FAR from a steal. I dare you to show some credible sources otherwise. I'm pretty sure $50 per month is far more than the operating cost for even a heavy user like myself. Also, I'm sure Verizon will be quite happy to take my money. I dare you to find where I EVER said bandwidth was free. While we are putting words in each others mouths here I might as well misqoute you for saying that you love to eat babies and worship Satan....
Look you retard. It's apparent that you are a college student. Don't have any clue about the real world. Yes, the medical industry requires tons of bandwidth and imaging.
Here's a clue, that industry pays for it. I know, I build that shit for them, along with manufacturing and the service provider arena.
You are so totally clueless. Why the hell don't you operate your own service provider if you have it all figured out? You're apparently a smart guy who understands supply/demand, have at it.
Oh, and you have no fucking idea how much this stuff costs. Entitlement fucker.
And that my friend is why you have 0 credibility.
Go look up some finical information.
Last quarter Comcast pulled a profit of 18 million dollars while spending 6 million on maintenance/upkeep while having a 56% growth in free cash.
They could easily afford to double their spending and still record huge profits.
Note, that is PROFITS not revenue.
Your point is now utterly moot and welcome to the 5th grade.
There is a large difference between the words "could" and "should".
I said they "could" double their spending on upgrading their network and still make money.
I feel they "should" spend appropriately so they can best serve their subscribers.
They should have enough bandwidth so that they could use a "soft" rather than a "hard" QoS system. They could just keep an index of the bandwidth usage of the subscribers and when the network hits a certain utilization point (lets say 70%) the heaviest users get dropped to a lower QoS priority (as in they get slowed down). Some nodes will less stressed than others, so why should the people who are doing no harm to the portion of the network they reside in be punished the same way people who actually do.
