Sure if DNA testing is 100% and they do multiple tests by different facilities to rule out "errors".
definitely an invasion of privacy. people who are arrested have yet to be tried or convicted of any crimes. they could be any law-abiding person like you or me. a fingerprint is adequate to positively identify you for the purposes of keeping track of people in jail.
there is no reason to trust the people who work for the government to do the right thing with power and never make any mistakes, and plenty of examples of why we should NOT trust them. this constitutes a tremendous level of power over law-abiding citizens.
in the tired old phrase, "this isn't a problem if you are not a criminal," just replace "criminal" with "jew." The government's idea about what constitutes crime can change at any time. There are plenty of people from the middle east who have committed no crimes yet are being held without trial. it's a crapshoot about who they'll want to profile next. and life itself is a crapshoot. maybe the next person to be murdered will be that girl who gave you a sip of her drink at the bar, then later got killed by by someone else in the alley. do you really want a rookie cop sending you to jail based on DNA evidence that you were the last known person to associate with her? especially when people consider DNA evidence to automatically equal guilt?
there is no reason to trust the people who work for the government to do the right thing with power and never make any mistakes, and plenty of examples of why we should NOT trust them. this constitutes a tremendous level of power over law-abiding citizens.
in the tired old phrase, "this isn't a problem if you are not a criminal," just replace "criminal" with "jew." The government's idea about what constitutes crime can change at any time. There are plenty of people from the middle east who have committed no crimes yet are being held without trial. it's a crapshoot about who they'll want to profile next. and life itself is a crapshoot. maybe the next person to be murdered will be that girl who gave you a sip of her drink at the bar, then later got killed by by someone else in the alley. do you really want a rookie cop sending you to jail based on DNA evidence that you were the last known person to associate with her? especially when people consider DNA evidence to automatically equal guilt?
frostedflakes
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And you consider the constitution to be a credible source?
I should have been more clear when I asked, I guess what I'm really interested in is what people think the danger of this is. What negative outcomes do you think there could be if the government or states have your DNA on file? The only one I can think of is being more easily identified and convicted if a crime is committed, which is not negative at all (unless you're a criminal, of course).
America has gone to war multiple times to crush dictatorships that were justified by what you just said.
The irony is you think this would protect YOU. Yet hundreds of thousands of our countrymen have died to protect you from THIS!
I'd like to see those go away, too. Unfortunately, tt would be impossible from a logistical perspective to manage our jails without those methods.
I know what you're talking about, but with what's going on right now?....... It needs to be done and I'm all for it.
I can't speak for everyone, but I will just explain my biggest reason for being against this, and why I think my reason is a bad one. I know when I first went to work and they wanted me to get fingerprinted, and have a drug test and all that it kind of annoyed me. But the reason was because somewhere in my mind I LIKE the though that maybe if I really wanted/needed to commit a crime at some point that I could get away with it, I mean before they had my fingerprints in the FBI database I could have left fingerprints and DNA and hairs and all that at a crime scene and if they never had me as a suspect they would never be able to implicate me. Now that is no longer true, if I were to kill someone they would get my fingerprints and BOOM up pops my name and I'm screwed. But in reality no big deal, I'll jsut wear gloves and be fine, that is where DNA comes in, it just makes it THAT much harder for me to commit a crime. IF they had my DNA then even the slightest trace I left behind could link me to a crime and in a way that annoys, me, it limits my FREEDOM, but in reality, only my freedom to commit crime. I personally think this is a GOOD thing to limit, and am OK with this. It honestly makes me have to reevaluate my ability to commit crimes and makes me less likely to commit them I believe, and having DNA testing would further encourage me not to commit crime. And for those too dumb to be discouraged, then they would be caught more often and sent to jail.
I guess thats only me talking, but ask yourself WHAT FREEDOM does this restrict other than your freedom to commit crime? IMO, that is all that is restricted, and that is a good thing so far as I am concerned.
I guess thats only me talking, but ask yourself WHAT FREEDOM does this restrict other than your freedom to commit crime? IMO, that is all that is restricted, and that is a good thing so far as I am concerned.
frostedflakes
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And see, I almost wonder if on some level this is what most people who are opposed to this are thinking. I'm not saying ATOTers are premeditating killers or anything, but I think a majority of people would be capable of a violent crime in the heat of the moment. And if your DNA was on file, you'd probably be screwed, or at least a lot more screwed than if it wasn't. So just to be safe why not oppose such laws under the pretense of it being an invasion of privacy.
Thanks for being honest at least.
The fingerprints and photographs should be discarded if the suspect is not convicted. It is absolutely ridiculous to penalize a person who did not commit a crime.
This should be P&N and I'm not going to go into it. Take your Noobness over to that forum and they'll eat you alive!
**throws the sarcasm meter in your face** ........ No need for it anymore! I say what I feel and you can stick it!
Throckmorton
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I don't understand how this is an invasion of privacy. The only way it's invading privacy is when they use it to find out you left your semen at a crime scene
erikistired
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with the people being released from prison after dna proves them innocent it seems to me being excluded because they have it already is a good thing.
of course, i have no intention of committing a crime like browntown does, so there's that.
of course, i have no intention of committing a crime like browntown does, so there's that.
Anubis
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moshquerade
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