colorado vehicle registration is out of control.

OutHouse

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Jun 5, 2000
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if we are not the highest in the country i would be surprised.

history of registering my 2004 Camry

New 2005 $585.70
2006 $357.00
2007 $285.00
2008 $197.84
2009 $136.72
2010 $136.72
2011 $168.07 <<<WTF!
2012 $172.57 <<<WTF!!!!


seriously it should not cost me 172 fricken dollars to put plates on my car. the rise in price starting in 2011 was due to a state bill so it went up for everybody. my co-worker drives a 1979 ford ranger and it went from $35 to $90 bucks a year.

firicken crooks.
 

Numenorean

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Hmm....I thought it was more expensive the last couple years. And they keep flip-flopping on the emissions requirement crap.

Varies by county though as well. They gotta repair the roads somehow right? Except that they don't do it.
 

bfdd

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Since owning my truck in 07, my registration has gone up every year. I think it was like 380 or 400 this year.
 

mugs

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I hope they use some of that extra tax revenue to improve education. Appending "-en" to a verb forms a past participle. You want a present participle which ends with "-ing," often shortened to "-in'."

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Seriously, it's a $40 tax increase. Get over it.
 

Ronstang

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Just remember that the more liberal an area becomes the more bloodsucking the government becomes to pay for all that "free shit" and the government jobs for those that would likely never be able to hold a job in the private sector.
 

Numenorean

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Just remember that the more liberal an area becomes the more bloodsucking the government becomes to pay for all that "free shit" and the government jobs for those that would likely never be able to hold a job in the private sector.

So it's all Boulder's fault then?
 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Hmm....I thought it was more expensive the last couple years. And they keep flip-flopping on the emissions requirement crap.

Varies by county though as well. They gotta repair the roads somehow right? Except that they don't do it.

this is state wide, what county you live in does not matter.

http://www.clearthebenchcolorado.or...o-you-courtesy-of-the-colorado-supreme-court/


So why is the Car Tax (er, “vehicle registration fee”) increase so deeply (and deservedly) unpopular?

One reason is the deeply regressive nature of the tax (er, “fee”) increase - which hurts most those least able to afford it (especially those with lower or fixed incomes, such as blue-collar workers, students, and retired or unemployed individuals). Since newly increased tax (er, package of “fees” - which will go up not just once, but each year through 2012) is now based on vehicle weight, the increase may not seem like much to the latte-sipping Prius-driving set, but makes up a significant portion of the total vehicle registration bill for anyone driving an older, heavier (and incidentally, safer) vehicle.

SB09-108 Registration fee increase total
Vehicles/Trailer FY09-10 FY10-11 FY11-12+
2,000 lbs. & under $22.50 $25.75 $29
2,001-5,000 lbs. $32 $36.50 $41
5,001-10,000 lbs. $39.50 $45.25 $51
10,001-16,000 lbs $51.50 $58.75 $66
16,001 lbs & over $55 $63 $71

Actually, it’s even worse than you think. The FASTER bill (the Colorado Car Tax) actually consists of TWO new “fees”: a “road safety” surcharge fee, and a “Bridge Fund” fee (that will increase in each of the next two years). The new law also imposes a new “vehicle rental fee” of $2/day - with an exemption for politically-correct “vehicle sharing” arrangements, such as instituted in Boulder and other trendy spots. The two new “fees” - and the additional bureaucracy created for each - have been ignored in most of the reporting about the impact of the Car Tax increase on most citizens.

“Road Safety” Surcharge Fee

(incl. trailers & other “nonmotorized” vehicles)


“Bridge Fund” Fee Rate Schedule

(50% 1st year; 75% 2nd year; 100% 3rd year +)
$16 Vehicles <=2000 lbs (incl. motorcycles) $13 Vehicles <=2000 lbs (incl. motorcycles)
$23 Vehicles 2000 - 5000 lbs $18
Vehicles 2000 - 5000 lbs $28
Vehicles 5000 - 10000 lbs $23
Vehicles 5000 - 10000 lbs $37
Vehicles 10000 - 16000 lbs $29
Vehicles 10000 - 16000 lbs $39
Vehicles 16000+ lbs $32 Vehicles 16000+ lbs

And of course there are the “Late Fees” -

“A late registration penalty of $25 for each month or portion of a month that a vehicle is not registered after the one month grace period, not to exceed $100, will be charged beginning June 1, 2009. Expired temporary permit registrations are also included in the $25 penalty. There is no grace period for permits.”

Late fees are now mandatory - the bill removed existing language allowing clerks to exercise discretion:

The department or the authorized agent registering the vehicle may waive the late fee.

Adding insult to injury, the Car Tax bill also creates entirely new bureaucracies, complete with new staff: the “Bridge Enterprise” and the “Transportation Enterprise” - both of which “operate as a government-owned business” within the Department of Transportation. These “government-owned businesses” not only have “exclusive authority to budget and approve the expenditure of moneys” collected by the Car Tax (er, “fees”), but also have the authority to issue/re-issue bonds and contract for loans or grants. The “enterprises” were also added as entities authorized to use eminent domain to seize private property.

Yet despite all of these revenue-generating and spending powers, the bill’s language explicitly states that both “enterprises” - “shall not be subject to any provisions of Section 20 of Article X of the state Constitution” (i.e. TABOR, the Taxpayer’s Bill of Rights). They are not constrained, or accountable.

But all of this is necessary “to preserve our crumbling transportation infrastructure,” right? That was the justification for passing the bill - along with claims that any and all “fees” collected “shall be used exclusively for the construction, maintenance, and supervision of the public highways of the state.” Says so right in the legislative language (43-4-810), so it must be true, correct?

Not so much. The dirty little secret of the FASTER bill is that many of the taxes (er, “fees”) collected don’t go towards the construction or maintenance of roads or bridges at all, but for “multi-modal and demand-side transportation solutions” - such as the desire of certain state Senators for streetcars in Denver - justified by other language in a following section (43-4-812):

43-4-812. Use of user fees for transit - legislative declaration.

(2) THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HEREBY FINDS AND DECLARES THAT THE FUNDING OF TRANSIT-RELATED PROJECTS AUTHORIZED BY SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION CONSTITUTES MAINTENANCE AND SUPERVISION OF STATE HIGHWAYS BECAUSE IT WILL HELP TO REDUCE TRAFFIC ON STATE HIGHWAYS AND THEREBY REDUCE WEAR AND TEAR ON STATE HIGHWAYS AND BRIDGES AND INCREASE THEIR RELIABILITY, SAFETY, AND EXPECTED USEFUL LIFE.
 

OutHouse

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I hope they use some of that extra tax revenue to improve education. Appending "-en" to a verb forms a past participle. You want a present participle which ends with "-ing," often shortened to "-in'."

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Seriously, it's a $40 tax increase. Get over it.

i dont give a shit about -en....

$40 bucks is 40 bucks im glad you are swimen in wealth that you can just blow off any tax the state decides to impose on you.

the main point im trying to make mugs i should not have to pay $172 bucks to register my car. go get your reg out of your car and list your state an how much you pay. im curious.
 
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OutHouse

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figured out the issue...

so whats the problem? is a great car, ive put 170K miles on it and have had NO mechanical problems and i plan on driving it for many more years. I have a wife and 3 kids what do you suggest i drive a impractical sporty car or a gas guzzling SUV?
 

guyver01

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so whats the problem?

no issue... you just got subjected to the chick car tax. they figured women drivers are worse... so women drivers get taxed more. Don't get me wrong.. its a pretty little car. my mom drives one... my wife drives one...

'tis all
 

ahenkel

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Only cost me 77 bucks for a 4 year registration and since I live rural I don't have to pay for DEQ testing. Yeehaw.
 

deanx0r

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The sad thing about this is that they call it a fee, not a tax. That's how this tax hike is flying under the radar and doesnt have go on our ballots.

Gotta thanks Ritter for that.
 

Capt Caveman

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Just remember that the more liberal an area becomes the more bloodsucking the government becomes to pay for all that "free shit" and the government jobs for those that would likely never be able to hold a job in the private sector.

????? I just bought a new vehicle in MA and paid $100 to register it and it's good for two years.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Waa Waa Waa

Try paying registration fees in Cali then you can come back and complain.

Surprisingly, when we moved to California in 87 from Washington state, our vehicle license fees dropped by about 15-20%.
Our license fees here WERE reduced by quite a bit...then Gray Davis raised them...and Ah-Nold dropped them again...until he raised them yet again. That increase is SUPPOSED to end July 1, but of course, Governor Moonbeam wants to continue the "temporary increase" another 5 years...:rolleyes:
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Surprisingly, when we moved to California in 87 from Washington state, our vehicle license fees dropped by about 15-20%.
Our license fees here WERE reduced by quite a bit...then Gray Davis raised them...and Ah-Nold dropped them again...until he raised them yet again. That increase is SUPPOSED to end July 1, but of course, Governor Moonbeam wants to continue the "temporary increase" another 5 years...:rolleyes:

With the huge deficit I'm not expecting them to drop at all.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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When people don't want taxes to go up, all those little fees rise instead. I bet some people would prefer user-based fees, then only the people utilizing them are paying.
 

Chaotic42

Lifer
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That sounds about like Mississippi. I can't look up the prices without a tag number and owner name, but they are very expensive around here.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Vehicle registration fees are what put Arnold Schwarzenegger into power and ousted former governor Joe Davis here in California.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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With the huge deficit I'm not expecting them to drop at all.

Legally, the "temporary increase expires on June 30th, but since Jerry's pushing hard to continue the increase...Normally, I've gotten my renewal paperwork by now, (due 7/16) but he's ordered the DMV to hold all renewals due after July 1 so the DMV doesn't have to send a supplemental bill for the increase.