Colorado SC just disqualified Trump from the ballot using the Fourteenth Amendment Section 3 of the Constitution

[kage69]

He told them:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Please, stop making a fool of yourself. Riots don't come with fake electors plots. You really need to stop being so damn obtuse because of feels.

Trump also told, nee' demanded, office General Counsel Ryan Germany "... better check the ballots, because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. … Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have far more than that as it stands now. We’ll have more and more."

Trump is on tape bullying election workers in Detroit into not certifying election results.

Time to wake up pcgeek11, time to be honest with yourself as well as the rest of us. Your constant defense of a traitor is a shitty look coming from a vet, and your regard for the office of CiC has a similar stench. Snap out of it.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump was attempting to replace the lawfully elected government of the United States with himself. If that’s not an insurrection what is?

I mean, they say his actions don't constitute a insurrection. But, then there’s this convoluted, multi-pronged approach and evidence to overturning the election, including:

1. J6 a genuine threat to Pence not being able to do his duty
2. Pressuring governors
3. Pressuring county election officials
4. Message discipline
5. 60+ legal cases
6. The Dominion/Smartmatic lies
7. Fake electors scheme
8. (More, but I’m typing this off the top of my head)

And all of them, with the "possible" exception of #6, have Trump’s direct involvement.

And, there is no doubt Trump and his team obviously had a plan for what would happen if their coup succeeded. They had to have had a plan. What was it? kick out or imprison Pelosi, Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc? So why are we treating this insurrectionist, a man who obviously acted in opposition to the Constitution, by giving him the constant, continual, benefit of a doubt? Why should we be bothered to give him the benefit of a USSC judgment, one NOT REQUIRED BY THE 14TH AMENDMENT, so he can do this again?

 

[hal2kilo]

I mean, they say his actions don't constitute a insurrection. But, then there’s this convoluted, multi-pronged approach and evidence to overturning the election, including:

1. J6 a genuine threat to Pence not being able to do his duty
2. Pressuring governors
3. Pressuring county election officials
4. Message discipline
5. 60+ legal cases
6. The Dominion/Smartmatic lies
7. Fake electors scheme
8. (More, but I’m typing this off the top of my head)

And all of them, with the "possible" exception of #6, have Trump’s direct involvement.

And, there is no doubt Trump and his team obviously had a plan for what would happen if their coup succeeded. They had to have had a plan. What was it? kick out or imprison Pelosi, Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc? So are we treating this insurrectionist, a man who obviously acted in opposition to the Constitution, by giving him the constant, continual, benefit of a doubt? Why should we be bothered to give him the benefit of a USSC judgment, one NOT REQUIRED BY THE 14TH AMENDMENT, so he can do this again?

This was planned before the election. Trump tells you every time what he's going to do. He said several times before the election that if he loses, it's because of voter fraud. Jan. 6 was no surprise to me, just the ferocity.

 

[Moonbeam]

Very clear and sensible explanation, thank you.
It's still the presumption of a crime having been committed, a presumption of guilt. At least I assume insurrection is a crime. I'll be very interested to see what the SC has to say.
Is running for president a privilege or a right? Can it be deigned without due process? If he's found to be ineligible in one state doesn't that indicate that he's ineligible in every state? It's a constitutional rule, it has apply across all fifty states. What happens if he wins the election but has this ruling hanging over him? Can one state say he can't hold the office and the others have to follow that decision? I don't see how that can be pared down into a state by state decision.

I will be interested too. As to your questions, they are interesting too. But rather than try to answer them since I can’t let me go back to something I said earlier that I suspect may be driving them.

When I watch you post here and consider your themes, I see or imagine I see in you something I feel is true and familiar in me.

As a child I was what I you could maybe call a goodie two shoes. I was a good boy in a very naughty world and I hated most people for their incessant placing their own needs above the needs of others. I was a moralist, a Christ like prisoner who was not allowed by religious faith to complain. The story of Job had great resonance.

But I never got the credit I deserved. Nobody noticed the effort it cost to suppress evil thoughts and intentions, how much it cost in lustful satisfactions to be good. Morality comes at a high price.

Thus, as a victim of lack of worldly respect for my outstanding virtue, my sympathy always tended to favor those who suffer judgment by the worthless, those who themselves have no idea what price the good pay to be good, how little they are appreciated, how unnoticed, how much even despised for being better than others.

This is why I hold contempt for those who judge, why I see that in others as a sin they commit, why I see such types everywhere.

So my answer to your question would be, did you feel under appreciated as a child. If so, perhaps that is why you have the questions that you do.

When I died to all hope there is any such thing as good or evil, I woke to the realization that the source of truth that matters had and will always be the joy of being real. Virtue is its only reward, and the only one that matters. It is when the ego is not. The truth is and does not need our help. The capacity to trust was stolen from us.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Which if they determine that a president is immune from being disqualified because they participated in an insurrection, would be a completely ridiculous assertion.

Well, It’s very unlikely the Supreme Court to overrule a finding of fact (that Trump did engage in insurection). It's possible, they’ll say the finder of fact needs to reconsider, taking into account something else. And that’s if they address the facts, instead of only the law. But, with this court, who knows! Gorsuch and friends had absolutely no problem lying about the findings of facts in Bremerton v. Kennedy. I cant imagine that would be a problem for them here.

 

[eelw]

Thing is, these orange monkey butt kissers, they’ll call us hypocrites for supporting Biden when he uses his new presidential powers to stay in power in 2025. But let’s say SCOTUS is stupid enough to say the orange monkey has presidential immunity, would Biden abuse it and destroy democracy to save it from another orange monkey term?

 

[fskimospy]

I mean, they say his actions don't constitute a insurrection. But, then there’s this convoluted, multi-pronged approach and evidence to overturning the election, including:

1. J6 a genuine threat to Pence not being able to do his duty
2. Pressuring governors
3. Pressuring county election officials
4. Message discipline
5. 60+ legal cases
6. The Dominion/Smartmatic lies
7. Fake electors scheme
8. (More, but I’m typing this off the top of my head)

And all of them, with the "possible" exception of #6, have Trump’s direct involvement.

And, there is no doubt Trump and his team obviously had a plan for what would happen if their coup succeeded. They had to have had a plan. What was it? kick out or imprison Pelosi, Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc? So why are we treating this insurrectionist, a man who obviously acted in opposition to the Constitution, by giving him the constant, continual, benefit of a doubt? Why should we be bothered to give him the benefit of a USSC judgment, one NOT REQUIRED BY THE 14TH AMENDMENT, so he can do this again?

I think the plan was pretty clearly to have the house vote to install Trump and then in that case you’re going to have genuine confusion in the country as to whose claim is legal. Even though we all know that’s bullshit the claim would have been ‘there were irregularities and the house stepped in to settle the matter. The system works!’

Once you have that it’s ‘possession is 9/10ths of the law’. Trump’s in the office - who is going to make him leave?

 

[HomerJS]

Please, stop making a fool of yourself. Riots don't come with fake electors plots. You really need to stop being so damn obtuse because of feels.

Trump also told, nee' demanded, office General Counsel Ryan Germany "... better check the ballots, because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. … Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have far more than that as it stands now. We’ll have more and more."

Trump is on tape bullying election workers in Detroit into not certifying election results.

Time to wake up pcgeek11, time to be honest with yourself as well as the rest of us. Your constant defense of a traitor is a shitty look coming from a vet, and your regard for the office of CiC has a similar stench. Snap out of it.

He's already made a fool of himself so many times over, I doubt he is capable of stopping.

 

[Zorba]

That is what I said isn't it?

But I'll play along. So we'll call it an insurrection like you want. It was not even remotely comparable to the Civil War.

If the civil war had been successful the South would've been allowed to split from the Union. If Jan 6th had been successful, it would've been the end of American democracy.

 

[fskimospy]

Still waiting for anyone to provide me with a logical, neutral legal principle where Robert E. Lee could be barred from office without a conviction but Trump can’t.

 

[gothuevos]

And, it means Dark Brandon can just ignore the '24 results (if he loses) and declare himself god-emperor for life.

No, different rules for Dem presidents.

 

[gothuevos]

"Guys, this time we got Trump!"

 

[Zorba]

He also told them to fight like hell.

He also tried to get the SS to allow guns in because they wouldn't be used against him.

 

[fskimospy]

"Guys, this time we got Trump!"

Yep, we do!

 

[kage69]

Spent a lot of time driving today, listened to a program on the state of the Michigan GOP. What a complete shit show they have going. I was relieved to hear magats in the state of my birth are as feckless and corrupt as they are broke. So little agreement, so much infighting and lying. Thanks, Il Douche! Couldn't happen to more deserving group of treasonous losers.

 

[kage69]

He's already made a fool of himself so many times over, I doubt he is capable of stopping.

That's certainly true, he has. But he's also capable of accepting facts, eventually. He's done it once or twice here before and I feel he can do it again.

Defending a traitor who wants to end American democracy should be anathema to someone who swore/served to uphold and defend the Constitution. Any vet who considers Trump's ego driven crimes to be more important than the rights American enlisted have paid for in blood is a fucking disgrace. Means their service meant nothing and their love of country is just partisan lust. Real dirtbag stuff, very depressing.

 

[JTsyo]

I think the plan was pretty clearly to have the house vote to install Trump and then in that case you’re going to have genuine confusion in the country as to whose claim is legal. Even though we all know that’s bullshit the claim would have been ‘there were irregularities and the house stepped in to settle the matter. The system works!’

Once you have that it’s ‘possession is 9/10ths of the law’. Trump’s in the office - who is going to make him leave?

This is another point of hypocrisy. The house was going to throw out state votes after losing all the cases in court trying to prove fraud but now they insist Trump can't be throw off the ballot without a trial for insurrection.

 

[brycejones]

"Guys, this time we got Trump!"

You should wipe the tanner from your lips.

 

[JTsyo]

"Guys, this time we got Trump!"

I think most are cynical of the SC and don't think they'll uphold it. I certainly don't give it good odds.

 

[zinfamous]

No you are comparing one person that actively took up arms against the United States Government with someone that did not take up arms against the United States Government.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

I know you will bring up his other quote:

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,"

Fighting like hell doesn't equate to taking over by armed conflict and insurrection.

holy fuck you are one dumb fucking cvnt.

the shit is your problem, man? how fucking dumb are you and how did you live this long, being so fucking dumb?

 

[zinfamous]

I didn't say that the civil war was not an insurrection. It absolutely was.

Jan 6th was not an insurrection IMO, it was a riot.

by definition, Jan 6 was an insurrection.

why are you such a blithering idiot?

your opinions don't matter. facts matter. you have no facts on your side. this is what makes you dumb and embarrassing. stop being so fucking embarrassing to humans.

by the way, it also hasnt' stipped. the insurrection continues to this day. The fucking treasonous freedom caucus are slow walking it without any pause right now. They are doing everything to save their cvnt traitor in Donald Trump, who factually led the insurrection, very violently.

They plotted to kill people with the guns and bombs that they brought with them. These are facts, and it hasn't stopped happening. Fox News is trying desperately to keep them relevant. These are all plainly observable facts. Denying the plain truth is just part of the insurrection. You can be as dumb and ignorant as you well are, and still be playing into it. Your post pretty much puts you in with the traitors, so you should probably stop being such a dumb fucking cvnt and wake the fuck up.

you think the Civil War started any other way? Stop being a dumb cvnt.

 

[Fenixgoon]

No you are comparing one person that actively took up arms against the United States Government with someone that did not take up arms against the United States Government.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

I know you will bring up his other quote:

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,"

Fighting like hell doesn't equate to taking over by armed conflict and insurrection.

We saw how that turned out...

 

[zinfamous]

I didn't say that the civil war was not an insurrection. It absolutely was.

Jan 6th was not an insurrection IMO, it was a riot.

god you're fucking dumb.

did you know that all the people arrested at BLM protests for rioting, were actually MAGA terrorists? These fucks were dressed in all black and looting stores, trying to be "anti-fa" whatever that is. Do you even know what anti-fa is? No, of course you don't. You've never seen one.

It's actually a fucking fact. You should do work to educate yourself, you dumb fucking cvnt. Part of their insurrection is keeping dumbs shits like you just as dumb and as terrified as you've always been, pointing at the enemy that you want to be your enemy--which is obviously black people and other minorities--and away from them as they fucking attack the United States.

Fuck you're such an easy mark and they know it. You would have happily slow-walked Hitler into power just like half of the rest of Germany did--because he wasn't bothering you. Everyone fucking knows it. In your cold black heart, you know it too. You're an ignorant, weak, coward of a dumb bitch.

 

[zinfamous]

Please, stop making a fool of yourself. Riots don't come with fake electors plots. You really need to stop being so damn obtuse because of feels.

Trump also told, nee' demanded, office General Counsel Ryan Germany "... better check the ballots, because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. … Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have far more than that as it stands now. We’ll have more and more."

Trump is on tape bullying election workers in Detroit into not certifying election results.

Time to wake up pcgeek11, time to be honest with yourself as well as the rest of us. Your constant defense of a traitor is a shitty look coming from a vet, and your regard for the office of CiC has a similar stench. Snap out of it.

he's a tube semen. Not a real vet.

fuck that guy. He's exposed himself as a coward and a traitor. Respect is earned, it isn't deserved. This is what I never understood about this bullshit about randomly saluting people in the uniform.

They fucking let shit traitor cvnts like pcgeek in the service? lol--how the fuck do you salute that? They've arrested dozens of military and police officers attempting the coup on Jan 6. These fuckers attacked the United States and tried to install a fucking dictator, absolutely attempting to end this country.

pcgeek supports them. Fuck that guy.

 

[zinfamous]

Spent a lot of time driving today, listened to a program on the state of the Michigan GOP. What a complete shit show they have going. I was relieved to hear magats in the state of my birth are as feckless and corrupt as they are broke. So little agreement, so much infighting and lying. Thanks, Il Douche! Couldn't happen to more deserving group of treasonous losers.

when your group has no actual principles and no real goal, just feckless power grabs, you just end up rat-fucking each other. That is MAGA. The GOP is wholly indistinguishable from MAGA, and this is the mewling cries of the inevitable death of their "cause."

I listed to the same show. It was hilarious how they lionize one nobody to replace one old established "RINO" only to turn around the next day and RINO that person, elect yet another feckless bastard with no ideology and no plan to do anything, for anyone.

The GQP is simply a party of fucking traitors. It was inevitable from the time of Reagan and the sucking up of the evangelicals. Those cvnts don't believe in anything, and it's time everyone accept that plain truth and get these fucking bastards out of influence and any kind of power. You can't trust people that literally believe the world must die tomorrow so that they can be saved--and only them. Fuck these evil assholes.