Colorado SC just disqualified Trump from the ballot using the Fourteenth Amendment Section 3 of the Constitution

[Moonbeam]

I'm seeing this response from every right winger commenting on articles about this issue. The reply to these comments is always A14S3 does not require a charge, trial or conviction. RWers are like but, but, but. They just don't want to get it.

They are trapped by childhood trauma as victims of massive injustice that tells them that life is unfair and the pent up rage that creates in them colors everything they experience. It is called victim mentality, the blindness that comes from a life lived in terror of expressing that rage.

You stupid liberals are attacking Daddy and will awaken all of that old pain and suffering. Nothing Trump does tomorrow can compare to what they have already experienced and were broken of any will to resist. If they have died to all hope, please please why can’t you. Don’t be mean to Daddy. Blame Mommy for it. He always did.

 

[HomerJS]

They are trapped by childhood trauma as victims of massive injustice

Poor aggrieved white people. I shead tears.

 

[zinfamous]

The qualifications for president are:
1) 35 years old
2) natural born citizen
3) has not engaged in insurrection.

None of these qualifications are more or less important than any other and they should be treated identically.

tbf, I think the 3rd really is most important.

 

[zinfamous]

Except two of those are demonstrable facts and one (in this case) is an opinion. I know you're convinced of Trumps guilt beyond any doubt, I'm not.
Has the SC decided to rule on this before the 1/4 deadline?

the 3rd is not an opinion. Because you personally think a thing is an opinion, rejecting reality, does not make it so for anyone but yourself. Thus, you are not making an addressable argument.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

the 3rd is not an opinion. Because you personally think a thing is an opinion, rejecting reality, does not make it so for anyone but yourself. Thus, you are not making an addressable argument.

We had a conflict of opinion in this thread alone on whether pence's actions trigger the 14th. You better believe people will have 'opinions' on this in the future, much less with Trump.

 

[eelw]

Former orange monkey lawyer Tim Parlatore impression of 14A. It’s congresses responsibility to decide if person is ineligible and they already decided no. So sadly quite possible how 5 justices will rule.

 

[fskimospy]

Former orange monkey lawyer Tim Parlatore impression of 14A. It’s congresses responsibility to decide if person is ineligible and they already decided no. So sadly quite possible how 5 justices will rule.

Again, this would mean Jefferson Davis was eligible to be president.

I’m not saying they won’t rule this but the point is to embarrass them.

 

[Pens1566]

Again, this would mean Jefferson Davis was eligible to be president.

I’m not saying they won’t rule this but the point is to embarrass them.

I'm not sure they're capable of being embarrassed.

 

[HomerJS]

Right now outside of Calvinball I see 3 outs for SCOTUS

1. Trump isn’t an officer. Don’t know how since he was once in charge of the Office of the Presidency

2 Equal protection. Something conservatives have historically been against but they found their inner hypocrite by using it to justify Bush v Gore

3. Trump did not engage in an insurrection. This is the last one they want to rule on.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Right now outside of Calvinball I see 3 outs for SCOTUS

1. Trump isn’t an officer. Don’t know how since he was once in charge of the Office of the Presidency

2 Equal protection. Something conservatives have historically been against but they found their inner hypocrite by using it to justify Bush v Gore

3. Trump did not engage in an insurrection. This is the last one they want to rule on.

Nothing says strongman authoritarian like walking hat in hand to the SC for permission to have his old job back.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Former orange monkey lawyer Tim Parlatore impression of 14A. It’s congresses responsibility to decide if person is ineligible and they already decided no. So sadly quite possible how 5 justices will rule.

Palatore has a reading and comprehension problem, as that's not what the langauge of the 14th amendment dictates. The 14A says that Congress can remove the disablity by 2/3 vote, it says nothing about Congress applying the disability, as that disability is put in place by the constitution itself. The 14th Amendment and it's language is what makes Trump ineligible, not Congress. If what he is claiming was true, there would be no need for the disability removal language, as Congress would be the one responsible for putting the disability in place to begin with. The 14th amendment has no connection to impeachments.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Right now outside of Calvinball I see 3 outs for SCOTUS

1. Trump isn’t an officer. Don’t know how since he was once in charge of the Office of the Presidency

2 Equal protection. Something conservatives have historically been against but they found their inner hypocrite by using it to justify Bush v Gore

3. Trump did not engage in an insurrection. This is the last one they want to rule on.

1) There are actually two offices at play here, the Office of President, and the Military office: Commander-in-Chief. The Commander-in-Chief is a Civilian officer, who is also the President. So if they rule that the President is not an officer, the Commander-in-Chief of the military still is.

 

[pmv]

Trump asks US supreme court to review Colorado ruling removing him from 2024 ballot

Colorado supreme court issued ruling on Tuesday but in anticipation of appeal stayed it until 4 January

www.theguardian.com

They went on to lay out several reasons why the supreme court should restore him to the ballot. Only Congress, not the courts, had the authority to evaluate a dispute over the eligibility of a presidential candidate, they wrote. As president, his lawyers argued, Trump was not an “officer” of the United States – relevant language in the constitution bars anyone from serving if they have “engaged in insurrection” as an officer of the United States.

They also argued that Trump’s conduct did not amount to an insurrection and argued that the Colorado supreme court’s decision ran afoul of a provision of the constitution that empowers state legislatures to decide how to appoint presidential electors.

Really throwing everything at the wall - the law doesn't apply, if it does, it shouldn't, and if it should I didn't do it anyway.

Doesn't the President hang out in the Oval Office? If you have an office does that not make you an officer? (Or is it a typo and it's supposed to be the Oval Orifice?)

Why didn't the framers mention the Presidency when they wrote the damn thing, though?

 

[Dave_5k]

Really throwing everything at the wall - the law doesn't apply, if it does, it shouldn't, and if it should I didn't do it anyway.

Doesn't the President hang out in the Oval Office? If you have an office does that not make you an officer? (Or is it a typo and it's supposed to be the Oval Orifice?)

Why didn't the framers mention the Presidency when they wrote the damn thing, though?

Once you start listing out individual officers, where do you stop? If you list just the president, is the vice President then implied to be fine to still insurrect?

 

[fskimospy]

Once you start listing out individual officers, where do you stop? If you list just the president, is the vice President then implied to be fine to still insurrect?

Also if you look at the amendment all the other explicitly mentioned titles are NOT officers of the US.

If you think this section does not include the president this leads to the insane idea that insurrection bars you from casting a vote as to who will be president but does not bar you from being the president.

The amount of bad faith is staggering from these clowns.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Trump asks US supreme court to review Colorado ruling removing him from 2024 ballot

Colorado supreme court issued ruling on Tuesday but in anticipation of appeal stayed it until 4 January

www.theguardian.com

Really throwing everything at the wall - the law doesn't apply, if it does, it shouldn't, and if it should I didn't do it anyway.

Doesn't the President hang out in the Oval Office? If you have an office does that not make you an officer? (Or is it a typo and it's supposed to be the Oval Orifice?)

Why didn't the framers mention the Presidency when they wrote the damn thing, though?

The term 'officer' isn't supposed to be one of those terms we have to debate, as it's self-evident. And yet here we are.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump asks US supreme court to review Colorado ruling removing him from 2024 ballot

Colorado supreme court issued ruling on Tuesday but in anticipation of appeal stayed it until 4 January

www.theguardian.com

Really throwing everything at the wall - the law doesn't apply, if it does, it shouldn't, and if it should I didn't do it anyway.

Doesn't the President hang out in the Oval Office? If you have an office does that not make you an officer? (Or is it a typo and it's supposed to be the Oval Orifice?)

Why didn't the framers mention the Presidency when they wrote the damn thing, though?

They did, they said all officers of the United States. The titles they also included were added specifically because they aren’t officers of the United States and they wanted to include them too.

This is just people bafflingly taking bad faith arguments from lying shitbags seriously.

 

[outriding]

Right now outside of Calvinball I see 3 outs for SCOTUS

1. Trump isn’t an officer. Don’t know how since he was once in charge of the Office of the Presidency

2 Equal protection. Something conservatives have historically been against but they found their inner hypocrite by using it to justify Bush v Gore

3. Trump did not engage in an insurrection. This is the last one they want to rule on.

I feel #1 is a dangerous ruling..

That can be applied to future presidents...

But on the positive side we can drop the current investigation into Joe Biden since nothing will come of it.

 

[Greenman]

So it looks like Trump remains on the Colorado ballot unless the Supreme Court does something about it today.

 

[fskimospy]

So it looks like Trump remains on the Colorado ballot unless the Supreme Court does something about it today.

Why do you say that?

 

[K1052]

He's on the primary ballot because the state Supreme Court stayed their decision. The fight is really about the general.

 

[fskimospy]

He's on the primary ballot because the state Supreme Court stayed their decision. The fight is really about the general.

The stay expires today though.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf

 

[K1052]

The stay expires today though.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf

Hm I though the say extended beyond certification of the primary ballot but apparently not.

 

[fskimospy]

Hm I though the say extended beyond certification of the primary ballot but apparently not.

Yeah Trump is off the primary ballot unless SCOTUS does something, not the other way around.

 

[HomerJS]

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