college student question walkout

[ilyria]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: vman
Of course you guys feel that way, because you don't place much value in protesting. But what if it were something really valuable and meaningful to you, like having to take your wife to the hospital or something. I don't think you'll be saying "oh no I'm throwing my money away". The point is that sometimes there's things more important than just school and studying, and you have to get your priorities straight in those circumstances.

ok this qualifies as the *dumbass comparison of the day*. There is a HUGE difference between voluntarily walking out of a class to state your views and missing a days class to take someone to a hospital. If you cannot see the difference then you are wasting your time in school.

To the other point of students missing class because of hangovers...that is also stupid. Party on the weekend when you have time to recover...I did.

After you get out of school pull this crap for an employer. Miss days due to hangovers, or walk off the job so that you can protest a political point of view...see you in the unemployment line.

Ok wage slave...
Besides no one is asking people that are at work (except for faculty members whose jobs will hardly be jeopardized by this) to walk off the job to protest. This protest is aimed at students- who do have this option, so why not be active? Don't you think being able to exercise your rights as an American citizen is something of value? Isn't that in itself a learning experience? Try thinking outside the box- maybe you won't be so worried about the unemployment line.

 

[Rakkis]

Originally posted by: ilyria
the only reason the Vietnam war ended was because of grass roots protests like the one that's going down tomorrow.

I think the fact that the US army was getting nowhere against guerrilla tactics for a number of years had something to do with it as well.

Originally posted by: ilyria
Besides no one is asking people that are at work (except for faculty members whose jobs will hardly be jeopardized by this) to walk off the job to protest.

I understood that most faculty at UC's is non-tenured... hence, subject to being disciplined.

Originally posted by: ilyria
This protest is aimed at students- who do have this option, so why not be active? Don't you think being able to exercise your rights as an American citizen is something of value? Isn't that in itself a learning experience? Try thinking outside the box- maybe you won't be so worried about the unemployment line.

I also value my education, do I not also have the right to attend class and not take part in the protest?

My stance: You want to protest, go ahead and do it. What gets me is that a lot of people are treating it as a fad. "Look at me! I'm the trendy college student that is a liberal new age thinker". The vast majority haven't reasoned beyond "war is bad", which while true doesn't even begin to describe real-world world politics.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: ilyria

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: vman
Of course you guys feel that way, because you don't place much value in protesting. But what if it were something really valuable and meaningful to you, like having to take your wife to the hospital or something. I don't think you'll be saying "oh no I'm throwing my money away". The point is that sometimes there's things more important than just school and studying, and you have to get your priorities straight in those circumstances.

ok this qualifies as the *dumbass comparison of the day*. There is a HUGE difference between voluntarily walking out of a class to state your views and missing a days class to take someone to a hospital. If you cannot see the difference then you are wasting your time in school.

To the other point of students missing class because of hangovers...that is also stupid. Party on the weekend when you have time to recover...I did.

After you get out of school pull this crap for an employer. Miss days due to hangovers, or walk off the job so that you can protest a political point of view...see you in the unemployment line.

Ok wage slave...
Besides no one is asking people that are at work (except for faculty members whose jobs will hardly be jeopardized by this) to walk off the job to protest. This protest is aimed at students- who do have this option, so why not be active? Don't you think being able to exercise your rights as an American citizen is something of value? Isn't that in itself a learning experience? Try thinking outside the box- maybe you won't be so worried about the unemployment line.

First: From the sounds of it you are a student. Why did you choose to go to school? Perhaps to get an education so that you can make yourself more valuable in the workforce?

So you see you too will be a "wage slave" some day.

Second: All I did was point out the comparison is mute.

Third: I am speaking from the perspective of someone who has the authority to terminate a persons job because they "want to express themselves" you want to do that do it on your time not mine. With the state of our economy not too many people have the luxury of "expressing" themselves...of course you would not understand would you.

Fourth: You have the right to freedom of expression, the freedom of speech etc. etc. There is NOTHING that says you may do those things without any repercussions at all.

I think your ideology is commendable...however misdirected. Why are you protesting the United States? Why are you not protesting the UN? Or Saddam?

Saddam agreed to disarm 12 years ago did he not? The UN has the reasonability to see that he has. They have not done so. You should be more upset that they have not followed through on their commitment to the world that they would see that he disarmed. You should be protesting Saddam due to the inhuman way he treats his people. The fact that he has WMD. The fact that he violated the agreement he made with us and the UN. Not the United States for having the balls to stand up and point out the fact that the UN has not done it's job, the fact that Saddam has gone on with his weapons programs, the fact that most of his people live with the daily fear that they or their families will be killed if they do not follow him unquestionably. But that not what is trendy. it is more of the 'in" thing to protest your own government. Understand however our troops that are overseas protecting your rights so say what you want, even to get up and walk out of your class to say it. They will see this as a protest against them?personally. It does not matter what you say or how you say it that is how they perceive it, they have to follow the the orders of their commander. You protest him you are protesting them...but they will be there to defend your right and safety to do so...remember that.

I have no problem thinking outside the box...but the box is sometimes there for a reason.

 

[TallBill]

what a silly idea. its just an excuse for 95% of the students that they give to themselves to make it ok to miss class. If you want to get educated, show up.

 

[shopbruin]

wage slave? are you the same person that scrawled "resist capitalist greed" on the brick wall outside of campbell facing rolfe?

will you tell all your protest friends to go back through the campus and clean up all their chalk and signs? because it is technically defacing university property (the walkways are one thing, but the sides of the buildings are another. there is still chalk up on this pillar near knudsen 1200 that says peace rally 12pm meyerhoff... FROM FALL QUARTER. clean up after yourself... university staff is not here to be your slave. respect the school.)

i need to be a wage slave. i have a ton of money in loans to pay back when i graduate, and guess what, interest is accruing! just cuz my parents can theoretically afford to pay for me to go to school doesn't mean they will!

 

[BruinEd03]

I find it ironic that the students who say education before destruction are giving up education via the walkout.

-Ed

 

[ilyria]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: ilyria

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: vman
Of course you guys feel that way, because you don't place much value in protesting. But what if it were something really valuable and meaningful to you, like having to take your wife to the hospital or something. I don't think you'll be saying "oh no I'm throwing my money away". The point is that sometimes there's things more important than just school and studying, and you have to get your priorities straight in those circumstances.

ok this qualifies as the *dumbass comparison of the day*. There is a HUGE difference between voluntarily walking out of a class to state your views and missing a days class to take someone to a hospital. If you cannot see the difference then you are wasting your time in school.

To the other point of students missing class because of hangovers...that is also stupid. Party on the weekend when you have time to recover...I did.

After you get out of school pull this crap for an employer. Miss days due to hangovers, or walk off the job so that you can protest a political point of view...see you in the unemployment line.

Ok wage slave...
Besides no one is asking people that are at work (except for faculty members whose jobs will hardly be jeopardized by this) to walk off the job to protest. This protest is aimed at students- who do have this option, so why not be active? Don't you think being able to exercise your rights as an American citizen is something of value? Isn't that in itself a learning experience? Try thinking outside the box- maybe you won't be so worried about the unemployment line.

First: From the sounds of it you are a student. Why did you choose to go to school? Perhaps to get an education so that you can make yourself more valuable in the workforce?

So you see you too will be a "wage slave" some day.

Second: All I did was point out the comparison is mute.

Third: I am speaking from the perspective of someone who has the authority to terminate a persons job because they "want to express themselves" you want to do that do it on your time not mine. With the state of our economy not too many people have the luxury of "expressing" themselves...of course you would not understand would you.

Fourth: You have the right to freedom of expression, the freedom of speech etc. etc. There is NOTHING that says you may do those things without any repercussions at all.

I think your ideology is commendable...however misdirected. Why are you protesting the United States? Why are you not protesting the UN? Or Saddam?

Saddam agreed to disarm 12 years ago did he not? The UN has the reasonability to see that he has. They have not done so. You should be more upset that they have not followed through on their commitment to the world that they would see that he disarmed. You should be protesting Saddam due to the inhuman way he treats his people. The fact that he has WMD. The fact that he violated the agreement he made with us and the UN. Not the United States for having the balls to stand up and point out the fact that the UN has not done it's job, the fact that Saddam has gone on with his weapons programs, the fact that most of his people live with the daily fear that they or their families will be killed if they do not follow him unquestionably. But that not what is trendy. it is more of the 'in" thing to protest your own government. Understand however our troops that are overseas protecting your rights so say what you want, even to get up and walk out of your class to say it. They will see this as a protest against them?personally. It does not matter what you say or how you say it that is how they perceive it, they have to follow the the orders of their commander. You protest him you are protesting them...but they will be there to defend your right and safety to do so...remember that.

I have no problem thinking outside the box...but the box is sometimes there for a reason.

Yes PART of the reason I went to college was to make myself more valuable in the work force. But an even bigger part was to gain new experiences, explore different beliefs/issues and hopefully become an independent thinker.

And I already am a wage slave- I go to school full time (currently taking 18 units) and I work 2 jobs so I won?t have to ask my parents for money. I?m not some dumb spoiled kid who sits on their butt protesting because it?s cool. I have work during the protest tomorrow but I?m going to find someone to cover me so that I can go.
I think you can be responsible and still use your voice. I?m not asking people that are going to risk their jobs to do this.

Nor do I think that we should be allowed to exercise our rights without repercussions. I simply think that I and most students are in a unique position to be able to voice their opinion and take action at this important juncture of history. We are about to embark on a very unnecessary war.

Yes Saddam is a monster who has violated every human right possible with his policies, and yes he has reneged on his promise to disarm. But why have we waited until now to do something? Is it possible that Bush is using this campaign as a scapegoat so that he can direct our attention away from even bigger issues our daily lives? What about the disgraceful state of our nation?s healthcare system, our ravaged economy, the fact that we have one of the poorest education systems in the world despite the massive amounts of resources at our disposal?
And the UN does whatever the US says in almost all instances. Who funds most of its operations? They are a great organization much more in theory than in practice. They don?t have the muscle to do what is necessary to force Saddam to disarm.

I?m not protesting against the government because it?s trendy. I?m protesting because we have a president that is totally incompetent, and who is trying to mask it by stirring up public approval through a war that will not only cost billions but will also take the lives of untold numbers of innocent civilians.

Most of the people in our military are working class kids who joined the military because they thought it would be a ?cool? thing to do and not because they had an interest in protecting my rights. Most of them probably don?t even know the issues at hand. I?m not saying this to insult them, I?m only stating the reality of the military to contrast against the idealized version of them that you presented. I?ve had a lot of contact with people in the military, and anyone else who has spent time with enlisted members of this institution would agree with me.


I too think your ideology is commendable... but misdirected

 

[ilyria]

Originally posted by: freesia39
wage slave? are you the same person that scrawled "resist capitalist greed" on the brick wall outside of campbell facing rolfe?

will you tell all your protest friends to go back through the campus and clean up all their chalk and signs? because it is technically defacing university property (the walkways are one thing, but the sides of the buildings are another. there is still chalk up on this pillar near knudsen 1200 that says peace rally 12pm meyerhoff... FROM FALL QUARTER. clean up after yourself... university staff is not here to be your slave. respect the school.)

i need to be a wage slave. i have a ton of money in loans to pay back when i graduate, and guess what, interest is accruing! just cuz my parents can theoretically afford to pay for me to go to school doesn't mean they will!

For the record I never took part in that, I don't believe in defacing University property to get a point across.- and I'm a wage slave too. Read my posting in reply to Wheezer's comments.

 

[AmbitV]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: vman
Of course you guys feel that way, because you don't place much value in protesting. But what if it were something really valuable and meaningful to you, like having to take your wife to the hospital or something. I don't think you'll be saying "oh no I'm throwing my money away". The point is that sometimes there's things more important than just school and studying, and you have to get your priorities straight in those circumstances.

ok this qualifies as the *dumbass comparison of the day*. There is a HUGE difference between voluntarily walking out of a class to state your views and missing a days class to take someone to a hospital. If you cannot see the difference then you are wasting your time in school.

To the other point of students missing class because of hangovers...that is also stupid. Party on the weekend when you have time to recover...I did.

After you get out of school pull this crap for an employer. Miss days due to hangovers, or walk off the job so that you can protest a political point of view...see you in the unemployment line.

I guess your reading comprehension isn't so great. I wasn't saying protesting war is the same thing as taking someone to the hospital. Like I said, you have to agree that at times there are things more important than education. You speak as if there's nothing more important to you than going to school and then becoming a wage slave afterwards. I'm just pointing out that I hope to god that's not true, or else you're just a mindless zombie.

And like I already posted earlier, I think the protests are retarded. But I respect the prerogative of those who are protesting, as long as it's done in a peaceful non-disruptive manner. If they value protesting the war more than their education, so be it. I don't.

 

[udonoogen]

walking out causes unnecessary disturbances. if you want to prove a point, just don't go to class. that way at least people IN class can learn.

 

[dabuddha]

Idiots of the world unite!!!!

This is good. This way we'll know at least which people are the moronic ones.

 

[308nato]

Number of students who "woke out"....25,000

Number of students participating to actually make a statement on the war ....27

Number of faculty members who get laid out of it....239

 

[profet]

*nevermind*

 

[narzy]

Originally posted by: virtuamike
Tomorrow I will drive to work in an SUV, dressed head to toe in fur, while eating a hamburger and tossing beer cans out the window. I'll give them something to protest.

don't forget smoking a blunt and cigerette at the same time aswell...and wafting the second hand smoke there way...

 

[speed01]

Originally posted by: ilyria


Most of the people in our military are working class kids who joined the military because they thought it would be a ?cool? thing to do and not because they had an interest in protecting my rights. Most of them probably don?t even know the issues at hand. I?m not saying this to insult them, I?m only stating the reality of the military to contrast against the idealized version of them that you presented. I?ve had a lot of contact with people in the military, and anyone else who has spent time with enlisted members of this institution would agree with me.

I resent what you are implying. Most (not all granted) members of the armed services are willingly there to protect your rights as well as the rights of every other American and I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of them are fully aware of the issues at hand. You may not be saying things to insult them but you in fact are doing just that. You claim to be stating the reality of the military in contrast to how people perceive it as if you would know. Your statements give the impression that you think the people in the military are nothing more than a bunch of poor, dumb idiot bastards who are too poor to go to school or too stupid to get a job so they join the military in order to collect a paycheck. Well, you couldn't be more wrong. And guess what, I've spent a lot of time with the enlisted members of this institution and I don't agree with you and highly doubt any of them would either!

Speed

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: ilyria

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
well i wont be walking out of my UCLA class tom....and will laugh at anyone who does...but no one will as it is a graduate level class...its amazing the difference a year makes....

well actually thats not true, because at hopkins people always laughed at the protesters...like how do you have the time to protest? get in and study!



"I'm against picketing...I just don't know how to show it"

How sad that apathy reigns in the hearts of so many... Life is not about studying.

And you know what life is about eh, oh that's right, it's about protesting.

 

[HappyPuppy]

The situation we're in today might not even exist if, for the last several months, anti-war protesters had been targeting Saddam to show him the world is unified against him rather than giving him hope that a war might eventually be averted because so many people are against it.

Anti-war protesters are, in a round about way, helping to bring the coming war about by giving Saddam hope.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
The situation we're in today might not even exist if, for the last several months, anti-war protesters had been targeting Saddam to show him the world is unified against him rather than giving him hope that a war might eventually be averted because so many people are against it.

Anti-war protesters are, in a round about way, helping to bring the coming war about by giving Saddam hope.

Hahaha.. yeah right, like having 200,000 thousand UK and American Troops surrounding his country adds to his hopes

Your logic is flawed!

 

How many people would "protest" if instead of walking out of class it was to stay late at school for three hours learning about the history of world wars and discussing (not hootin' and hollarin') what can be done to stop them?

 

[Cerb]

If they can afford to miss the class, they have it too easy.

 

[TSDible]

If I were a teacher/professor (and I am a former Physics/Chemistry teacher), I would make sure that my students knew that there would be a significant lecture/quiz/test/assignment during that time.

There is a time and a place for a protest. Walking out on your classes/job is not one of them in my opinion. They could just as easily hold a rally after class hours with the same level of effect (basically none).

Finish your education first so that use it out in the real world to make a difference. Why protest by jeapordizing your own education?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Cerb
If they can afford to miss the class, they have it too easy.

Hahaha..Owned!

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Why is the younger generations so liberal today? It's like they aspire to have the protests and causes of the 60's, yet they lack a true cause and in most cases have no idea about the issue they are protesting.

Yes, there are some intelligent young people who know what they are talking about, but the majority of these protesters are ignorant me-too type people.

How is it any different from the "younger generation" of the 60s? Or any era, for that matter?

my neighbor is a total socialist. he has no idea what the hell he's talking about and how it would basically shatter the economy and ruin everyone's lives. most of these protester types are just overly emotional and get way too caught up in the "excitement". like i am against the war in iraq for the pure reason that we should probably take north korea out first since they are more dangerous and bush cannot justify taking out iraq first, outside of the fact that saddam is more "known" and thus would make bush's popularity rating increase more because the public is aware of iraq as a threat. i doubt people would love bush as much for taking out kim il suk or whatever the n. korean dictator's name is, but they are much more dangerous being a more desperate country.


that is a legit reason. most of the people who protested, their reason is something more like.... war.... war make me sad. ... people die in war..... i saw israelis protesting at the federal building.... they look sad.... sad is bad... something that primitive, and these are supposed to be smarter than average educated college students.

 

[etech]

I think there should be a test before the students can protest.

Three questions.

1) Find Iraq on a map of the Middle East.
2) Name one of the UN resolutions pertaining to Iraq.
3) Name the political party that Saddam belongs to.

Anyone want to bet there wouldn't be very many students there?

 

[Cerb]

Red Dawn - I'm on spring break now (yay), but...in two of my classes, if I miss two days, I'm out. The other two it's four, and I'm two into those. I couldn't imagine, even if I was of a mind to, going to some protest to miss them, because it would chance that I might get sick one day and automatically be failed (the profs all take the roll). On top of that, anyone who can pass classes without going to them almost day is either too damn good to be bothering with college, or has a class that isn't worth the credit hours (unfortunately I do know of a few of the latter).
AFAIK, no protests are scheduled here.