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Colin Powell died of covid complications

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senseamp said:
Yeah, no, he lied. And then he blamed the intelligence community when his lie was exposed. Now, having lived a long life, he's going to be buried next to soldiers who died before their life really got started, because of his lie.
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He either lied, or he was thoroughly incompetent in his job as a high-level member of the government. Either way, he should have faced the music along with all the rest of them.

It was very, very apparent from the start of that whole fiasco that America was going to invade Iraq, and they were going to find some reason to justify it. It was completely ludicrous and transparent. Every one of the GOP AND Democrats and bloodlust-mad public that went along with it are pieces of shit and I hope they live out their days thinking about the million+ dead and maimed over what ended up being a money grab by military contractors. At least someone had a good outcome from that war, I guess....won't someone think of the poor Blackwaters of the world!

Watching GWB trotted out as some jovial nice dude and voice of reason in the age of Trump makes me want to fucking puke.
 
Jaskalas said:
Breakthrough cases are too common to pretend COVID spread would end entirely. The commentary used conjures a false idea that herd immunity is achievable at this point. Delta shattered that notion when a July celebration turned August nightmare.
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The nightmare was almost entirely among the unvaccinated or very high risk, though. And places with higher vaccination rates had lower peaks.

I agree the idea that covid will just disappear some day is false, but its impacts should become much lower, hopefully eventually the same as other human coronaviruses.
 
Jaskalas said:
Breakthrough cases are too common to pretend COVID spread would end entirely. The commentary used conjures a false idea that herd immunity is achievable at this point. Delta shattered that notion when a July celebration turned August nightmare.
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Yes, Delta seems to have made true "herd immunity" unachievable, according to multiple experts. That doesn't mean that everyone getting vaccinated won't greatly reduce the spread and impact of the virus. It would still make the vulnerable safer - both from being vaccinated themselves and from the effect of others being so.
 
senseamp said:
Yeah, no, he lied. And then he blamed the intelligence community when his lie was exposed. Now, having lived a long life, he's going to be buried next to soldiers who died before their life really got started, because of his lie.
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Apart from his dismal record over Iraq (and, decades earlier, his attempt to whitewash what happened at My Lai) I never approved of Colin Powell's surrendering to the peculiar American inability to pronounce his name properly.

I wonder if that was symbolic of his over-eagerness to accommodate and go along with, rather than challenge, other people's mistakes? It's Colin, not Koh Lynn. And it was obvious Saddam did not have WMDs and Iraq posed no real danger to the West. In both cases I suspect Powell knew the truth but decided to "go along to get along".
 
Stokely said:
He either lied, or he was thoroughly incompetent in his job as a high-level member of the government. Either way, he should have faced the music along with all the rest of them.

It was very, very apparent from the start of that whole fiasco that America was going to invade Iraq, and they were going to find some reason to justify it. It was completely ludicrous and transparent. Every one of the GOP AND Democrats and bloodlust-mad public that went along with it are pieces of shit and I hope they live out their days thinking about the million+ dead and maimed over what ended up being a money grab by military contractors. At least someone had a good outcome from that war, I guess....won't someone think of the poor Blackwaters of the world!

Watching GWB trotted out as some jovial nice dude and voice of reason in the age of Trump makes me want to fucking puke.
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This
 
brycejones said:
Recycling covid denier claims from last year is what a couple of useful idiots in this thread have done looking at JediYoda and maluckey1 (HomerJS is not one of them).
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Ummnnn...you're full of shit.

I'm fully vaccinated; in first series in my state!. Better still is that I already had COVID-19 before I was vaccinated. I can show you several posts where I specifically called out people for NOT being vaccinated, but you go on pointing your tiny fingers at people and spread misinformation if that helps you sleep better.
 
brycejones said:
Throwing a little anti-vax shade is what Fox needs to do to keep it's advertising revenues up by keeping it's viewers happy.

Recycling covid denier claims from last year is what a couple of useful idiots in this thread have done looking at JediYoda and maluckey1 (HomerJS is not one of them).
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When it comes to Covid am not a Covid denier!
But to make a claim that Powell died strictly from Covid is plain and utter nonsense! There were other factors involved! Triggered much?
 
JEDIYoda said:
When it comes to Covid am not a Covid denier!
But to make a claim that Powell died strictly from Covid is plain and utter nonsense! There were other factors involved! Triggered much?
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If a COVID infection brings forward the death of someone ill with something else, it seems perfectly logical to say COVID was the primary cause of death. I don't see why you have such difficulty with that idea.

(And I hate that "triggered" sneer, it's a technical psychiatric concept to do with PTSD, that has become one of those phrases that conservatives use obsessively, because there's something wrong with the conservative brain, that causes them to latch on to certain words or phrases and overuse them till you can't stand hearing the words any more).
 
maluckey1 said:
Ummnnn...you're full of shit.

I'm fully vaccinated; in first series in my state!. Better still is that I already had COVID-19 before I was vaccinated. I can show you several posts where I specifically called out people for NOT being vaccinated, but you go on pointing your tiny fingers at people and spread misinformation if that helps you sleep better.
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You did try and suggest the whole pandemic is 'over dramatised'.

Also, while we are on the subject, I was wondering who are these 'climate change cultists' of which you speak, who apparently 'lease a new car every three years'. That sounded very close to conservative climate-denial tropes. Nobody I know who is even vaguely and half-heartedly concerned about 'the environment' drives a car at all. In fact I don't know anyone, including some who are openly hostile to "the environment" who leases a new car every three years. Who _are_ these people?

But I assume you were just doing "an old man yells at cloud" act for comic effect, so didn't seem much point asking what on earth you were going on about. Wasn't a particularly good rant, though.
 
Lol the orange monkey’s statement on his passing

"Hope that happens to me someday. He was a classic RINO, if even that, always being the first to attack other Republicans. He made plenty of mistakes, but anyway, may he rest in peace!"

Pity he won’t see all the kind words when he kicks the bucket.
 
eelw said:
Lol the orange monkey’s statement on his passing

"Hope that happens to me someday. He was a classic RINO, if even that, always being the first to attack other Republicans. He made plenty of mistakes, but anyway, may he rest in peace!"

Pity he won’t see all the kind words when he kicks the bucket.
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Trump's statement about Colin Powell has caused "What a POS" to be trending on Twitter. And as you might have guessed the POS doesn't refer to Colin Powell. Joe Bob says check it out for a few laughs.
 
JEDIYoda said:
When it comes to Covid am not a Covid denier!
But to make a claim that Powell died strictly from Covid is plain and utter nonsense! There were other factors involved! Triggered much?
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I have type 1 diabetes, but if a bus hits me then my cause of death will be bus. If someone has terminal cancer and six months to live, but they get covid and die today their cause of death is covid.

Some people like to drag out the medical background of everyone who dies of covid, as if that somehow makes those deaths count less. It's gross.
 
eelw said:
Lol the orange monkey’s statement on his passing

"Hope that happens to me someday. He was a classic RINO, if even that, always being the first to attack other Republicans. He made plenty of mistakes, but anyway, may he rest in peace!"

Pity he won’t see all the kind words when he kicks the bucket.
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I hope I live long enough to find out how the media handle Loser Donald’s death.

he also managed to turn someone else's death into a donation beg. His batshit supporters have no problem donating to an alleged "billionaire" while screeching about "elitists".

Do they make extenders to temporarily double the height of a flagpole? Asking for a friend…
 
pmv said:
Oh Lord, the "just asking questions" trope!
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Only the ones that the government won't let them ask, though, which is why they are asking them on the most popular "news" show on cable TV. Man you have to have zero critical thinking to watch Fox.
 
pmv said:
You did try and suggest the whole pandemic is 'over dramatised'.

Also, while we are on the subject, I was wondering who are these 'climate change cultists' of which you speak, who apparently 'lease a new car every three years'. That sounded very close to conservative climate-denial tropes. Nobody I know who is even vaguely and half-heartedly concerned about 'the environment' drives a car at all. In fact I don't know anyone, including some who are openly hostile to "the environment" who leases a new car every three years. Who _are_ these people?

But I assume you were just doing "an old man yells at cloud" act for comic effect, so didn't seem much point asking what on earth you were going on about. Wasn't a particularly good rant, though.
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You don't get out much I'm afraid. Average is 24-48 months for a automobile lease, and 25 percent of all vehicles in the U.S. are currently leased. 43 percent of all vehicles sold in 2018 were SUV's or Pickups. Before you accuse me....my newest vehicle (I have 3 for a family of five) is a 2004, that I bought third hand and has 280,000 miles on it. It runs fine and i get to where I need to go int the winter without any drama.

As far as cultists...Not a one of us here works for NOAA or NASA. None of us are actual climate modeling specialist or meteorologists, yet we go one about it like we understand the science behind it. We act as it was life or death, and any affront to our preconceived notions are like an attack on our belief system. You won't convince anyone to change by attacking them or beating them with facts. Few people respond well to that. Just better off doing yourself a favor and find a community project to repurpose land-fill materials or participate in a river-cleanup project.

The vast majority of people are not likely to actually do anything other than talk about climate change anyways.

Pollution (CO2) output in the USA hasn't effectively risen since 1990, despite a large population increase. China currently more than DOUBLES the U.S.A pollution output, yet people instead argue with someone (likely an anglo) on an anonymous internet forum, watch a documentary, donate 5 bucks, recycle a few bottles, change their lightbulbs and call it "Mission Accomplished". Some might even go so far as to get the proverbial T-shirt made in China by 14 year old kids, in a factory pouring raw waste into the river.
 
maluckey1 said:
You don't get out much I'm afraid. Average is 24-48 months for a automobile lease, and 25 percent of all vehicles in the U.S. are currently leased. 43 percent of all vehicles sold in 2018 were SUV's or Pickups. Before you accuse me....my newest vehicle (I have 3 for a family of five) is a 2004, that I bought third hand and has 280,000 miles on it. It runs fine and i get to where I need to go int the winter without any drama.

As far as cultists...Not a one of us here works for NOAA or NASA. None of us are actual climate modeling specialist or meteorologists, yet we go one about it like we understand the science behind it. We act as it was life or death, and any affront to our preconceived notions are like an attack on our belief system. You won't convince anyone to change by attacking them or beating them with facts. Few people respond well to that. Just better off doing yourself a favor and find a community project to repurpose land-fill materials or participate in a river-cleanup project.

The vast majority of people are not likely to actually do anything other than talk about climate change anyways.

Pollution (CO2) output in the USA hasn't effectively risen since 1990, despite a large population increase. China currently more than DOUBLES the U.S.A pollution output, yet people instead argue with someone (likely an anglo) on an anonymous internet forum, watch a documentary, donate 5 bucks, recycle a few bottles, change their lightbulbs and call it "Mission Accomplished". Some might even go so far as to get the proverbial T-shirt made in China by 14 year old kids, in a factory pouring raw waste into the river.
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Meh, you don't need to work for NOAA or NASA to understand the topic well-enough to be convinced that the orthodox science is correct. A physics degree is sufficient to grasp the basics. Personally I've taken post-graduate level courses in the topic - not that I remember much at this point, but there was a time I understood it well enough to see why the denialist arguments were wrong (once upon a time I could have written down the radiative transfer equations or told you what quasi-geostrophic pseudo potential vorticity was...I can't anymore, but I still trust my past self's judgements on the topic)

"Community projects" aren't going to solve the problem, it needs to be addressed at the level of national governments or above. That sort of lifestyle stuff is a way that governments and corporations use to try to pass the buck to individuals, to distract people from the necessity of _political_ action.

As far as China is concerned, China puts out all that CO2 because we've contracted most of our manufacturing to them.

May well be true that I don't get out much, but I do know that the stats say that the overwhelming majority of residents of inner London don't own a car (I have always hated the things, myself, not really anything to do with CO2, just find them noisy, dangerous, smelly, bad for your health, and the biggest single impediment to mobility ever invented - anywhere I try to go, by whatever means, there are cars in the way. They are simply unnecessary in the city, unless you are seriously disabled).

I also know that car leasing is currently a major fad (that at one point looked like it might precipitate the next financial crisis), but it has no overlap with environmentalism that I can see. Generally petrolheads are right-wing.
 
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I mean, if you want to get into it, I concede its horribly complicated, because environmental issues don't overlap in an easy way with class ones. Environmental activist types tend to be middle-class, which is a big problem. People in general have a vested interest in denying the reality of the problem, because doing something about it carries costs for ordinary people, not just the elites. That the most powerful, the people who own the fossil fuel companies, have the greatest vested interest of all, makes it even worse.

I do know, though, that lifestyle stuff like 'community projects' aren't the solution.
 
Also, as it happens, NOAA was at one point a bastion of climate-change-denial (in contrast to NASA), so that someone was working for them wouldn't necessarily make me trust their judgement.
 
JEDIYoda said:
When it comes to Covid am not a Covid denier!
But to make a claim that Powell died strictly from Covid is plain and utter nonsense! There were other factors involved! Triggered much?
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Yet somehow you keep repeating the talking points of people who are.

Did his underlying conditions make him more vulnerable to Covid? Yes.

Did the complications from Covid kill him? Yes.

I'm not triggered, but you seem determined to keep being dishonest about what caused his death.
 
senseamp said:
Yeah, no, he lied. And then he blamed the intelligence community when his lie was exposed. Now, having lived a long life, he's going to be buried next to soldiers who died before their life really got started, because of his lie.
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OK, I keep hearing this or something like it so I will not object, it may be true. I imagine that saying he lied may be, probably is an over simplification, however.
 
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