Colin Powell died of covid complications

[Muse]

Dont be so pedantic. They're the same thing.

OK, let's not fight about it, I do see it's kind of semantic, it's cool.

 

[manly]

OK, I keep hearing this or something like it so I will not object, it may be true. I imagine that saying he lied may be, probably is an over simplification, however.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450074279723380745

Hopefully Twitter can get you past the paywall.

 

[theeedude]

OK, I keep hearing this or something like it so I will not object, it may be true. I imagine that saying he lied may be, probably is an over simplification, however.

It's a simplification, but not over-simplification.

Full text of Colin Powell's speech

US secretary of state's address to the United Nations security council.

www.theguardian.com

My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.

He simply lied his face off and thousands of people died as a result, and will continue to die from the destabilization it brought to the region, and we'll continue to pay interest for the costs of this war, and opportunity cost of what we could have done as a country with that money and those people we lost.

 

[maluckey1]

"Community projects" aren't going to solve the problem, it needs to be addressed at the level of national governments or above. That sort of lifestyle stuff is a way that governments and corporations use to try to pass the buck to individuals, to distract people from the necessity of _political_ action.

As far as China is concerned, China puts out all that CO2 because we've contracted most of our manufacturing to them.

May well be true that I don't get out much, but I do know that the stats say that the overwhelming majority of residents of inner London don't own a car (I have always hated the things, myself, not really anything to do with CO2, just find them noisy, dangerous, smelly, bad for your health, and the biggest single impediment to mobility ever invented - anywhere I try to go, by whatever means, there are cars in the way. They are simply unnecessary in the city, unless you are seriously disabled).

I also know that car leasing is currently a major fad (that at one point looked like it might precipitate the next financial crisis), but it has no overlap with environmentalism that I can see. Generally petrolheads are right-wing.

I agree that community projects won't solve the main issue. Thing is, I have a conscience and feel obliged to do SOMETHING other than talking.

I know enough to know that arguing about it on a forum won't make any government take action, so I make as much local "noise/celebration" as I reasonably can at local cleanup events. My rationale is that maybe one other person in turn will do the same. Eventually, this could be seen by at least ONE local official as beneficial for their cause (whatever that may be), and that will perhaps lead to that persons peers trying to "one-up" them.

Doing something that affects the local community and MIGHT stand a chance of garnering attention from somebody in a position to actual help is an easy choice. The score is 0 versus 1.

Lucky you to be happy in a major metro area! Not my style. I need space from people (especially my asshole neighbors with their full of shit dog).

As far as cars? I live in an area rife with Billions of dollars, where millionaires are relatively common, and where Biden stickers are on SUV's/Pickups, Audis, Mercedes and Teslas. No real way to tell who's who by the vehicles except the stickers or lanyards hanging from the mirrors. I typically ride a bike to most areas around town (pretty easy except in the winter, which can get below zero (Fahrenheit) for days at a time. The drawback is that because of idiot drivers, I'm risking life and limb riding on a road. I drove less than a 800 miles all last year. I rode on my bike much farther than that according to Strava. Still wondering if I can go a year without driving? Maybe a personal challenge?

 

[DaaQ]

He either lied, or he was thoroughly incompetent in his job as a high-level member of the government. Either way, he should have faced the music along with all the rest of them.

It was very, very apparent from the start of that whole fiasco that America was going to invade Iraq, and they were going to find some reason to justify it. It was completely ludicrous and transparent. Every one of the GOP AND Democrats and bloodlust-mad public that went along with it are pieces of shit and I hope they live out their days thinking about the million+ dead and maimed over what ended up being a money grab by military contractors. At least someone had a good outcome from that war, I guess....won't someone think of the poor Blackwaters of the world!

Watching GWB trotted out as some jovial nice dude and voice of reason in the age of Trump makes me want to fucking puke.

This event had made me lookup if D Cheney were still alive, as such, he is. Shamefully so, also it just came to me as well the Halliburton shit.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Jesus dude Zorba isn't a troll you need to let this shit go. Notice you're the only one arguing this point?

Then why continue and lie when I already told him I apologize if I mistook his post? But instead of taking that apology, he double downed with lies and continued, just to keep the argument going. But what ever, sorry you can't see his troll behavior...

 

[NWRMidnight]

It's been on the news all day. Understanding his status was not really breaking news.

I do not agree with your interpretation of his post (altho I can see where you initially could see it), and his record is pretty consistent on this issue.

One could make the argument he was clarifying Powell wasn't an antivax nutter who fucked around and found out.

Accept his clarification, there's not a debate here.

On the news all day? He posted his bait less than an hour after the news broke.
Can't accept clarification when he straight up lied and maneuvers his responses/reasoning, to be in line with what other posters have said, AFTER he posted his bait, and his last response before I blocked him, stating he said it because Cancer was brought up (he has already admitted the article didn't originally say anything about cancer, and was updated, which happened AFTER his first baited post). But if you guys like to be trolled have at it..

 

[Zorba]

Then why continue and lie when I already told him I apologize if I mistook his post? But instead of taking that apology, he double downed with lies and continued, just to keep the argument going. But what ever, sorry you can't see his troll behavior...

On the news all day? He posted his bait less than an hour after the news broke.
Can't accept clarification when he straight up lied and maneuvers his responses/reasoning, to be in line with what other posters have said, AFTER he posted his bait, and his last response before I blocked him, stating he said it because Cancer was brought up (he has already admitted the article didn't originally say anything about cancer, and was updated, which happened AFTER his first baited post). But if you guys like to be trolled have at it..

You have some serious issues. If you think I was trying to troll why are you the only person I am engaging with, after you continuously attack me over bullshit?

My First Post:

For those that won't read the article: "The statement said that he had been fully vaccinated against Covid."

First post about his cancer, which was not discussed in the original article:

Apparently Powell was fighting cancer and was immune compromised so as an immune compromised 84 year old this is unfortunately not a terribly surprising result.

My reply to that post:

Yes, people in that situation can die of a cold.

I'm sorry you decided to attack me after reading three posts instead of getting all the way to post 14 and refused to accept any explanation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yet somehow you keep repeating the talking points of people who are.

Did his underlying conditions make him more vulnerable to Covid? Yes.

Did the complications from Covid kill him? Yes.

I'm not triggered, but you seem determined to keep being dishonest about what caused his death.

This -----

 

[hal2kilo]

Yet somehow you keep repeating the talking points of people who are.

Did his underlying conditions make him more vulnerable to Covid? Yes.

Did the complications from Covid kill him? Yes.

I'm not triggered, but you seem determined to keep being dishonest about what caused his death.

Seems he was actually doing OK, until...

Powell to journalist Bob Woodward on his health struggles: 'Don't feel sorry for me' - CNNPolitics

 

[Jaskalas]

Seems he was actually doing OK, until...

Powell to journalist Bob Woodward on his health struggles: 'Don't feel sorry for me' - CNNPolitics

Vaccinations are much less effective on immunocompromised people. He had little to no protection from COVID, but you already knew that, right?

 

[JEDIYoda]

brycejones said:
Yet somehow you keep repeating the talking points of people who are.

Did his underlying conditions make him more vulnerable to Covid? Yes.

Did the complications from Covid kill him? Yes.

I'm not triggered, but you seem determined to keep being dishonest about what caused his death.




Where are you now??

 

[brycejones]

LOL, that meme doesn't say what your original posts in this thread did.

But a simple question for you.

Do you deny that covid is what caused him to die?

 

[JEDIYoda]

LOL, that meme doesn't say what your original posts in this thread did.

But a simple question for you.

Do you deny that covid is what caused him to die?

What I will tell you is that Covid was NOT the underlying cause of his death!! '
Do you claim that it was??

 

[uclaLabrat]

Cancer was the underlying cause. Covid was the over the top cause.

 

[sportage]

Apparently Powell was fighting cancer and was immune compromised so as an immune compromised 84 year old this is unfortunately not a terribly surprising result.

A little education on vaccines...
Any injected vaccine is intended to produce a response to create antibodies against that peculiar virus. However, a compromised immune system is not functioning properly and thus often unable to produce the intended antibody response against that virus. One can get the shot, the vaccine, but if the immune system is not a normal functioning immune system then it is highly possible the person will not develop the antibodies as compared to an individual having a normal immune system.

This is why booster shots are so important to people with a compromised immune system. The booster can give that added punch in creating more antibodies, but then again if the immune system is too compromised then no amount of vaccine is going to help. Vaccines rely on fully operational immune systems, it's called science folks, this is how vaccines work and how vaccines are developed to trick the body into producing antibodies to fight the given virus.

In Powell's case, his cancer had already damaged his immune system to the point that he had few if any Covid antibodies regardless of having been vaccinated. And a booster probably would not have helped the inevitable from happening. Death.

 

[interchange]

It's not that complicated.

If someone dies from respiratory arrest which was caused by pneumonia from COVID-19 infection, then COVID-19 infection is the cause of death listed on the death certificate. It might be listed as

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome
due to
Pneumonia
due to
COVID-19 infection

This is the way it is regardless of anyone's underlying medical conditions. If someone has underlying significant medical conditions which contributed to their death (e.g. multiple myeloma), there is a separate section to list that.

This is the way death certificates work. It has nothing to do with COVID-19 at all. It's not political at all.

Realistically, a lot of deaths aren't as straightforward as that, and a lot of death certificates aren't filled out correctly, but again that isn't because of COVID-19 and isn't political.

There are some challenging things like someone developing a bacterial pneumonia secondary to influenza and determining influenza infection is the cause of death. But here secondary bacterial pneumonias are a well-established complication of influenza infection itself. Although certain conditions make COVID-19 infection more likely, it is not established to be a complication of any other illness, thus whenever the direct consequences of a COVID-19 infection cause death, no matter how ill the person was before the COVID-19 infection, it should always be the ultimate cause of death on the death certificate.

 

[hal2kilo]

What I will tell you is that Covid was NOT the underlying cause of his death!! '
Do you claim that it was??

With COVID triggering his death!

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm really not into basing Colin, but here is some food for thought.

Colin Powell's legacy: How his WMDs lie led to Donald Trump's Big Lie | Salon.com

With one UN speech, Powell helped usher in the era of a GOP driven by lies and conspiracy theories